Anti-Israel protest turns ugly at York U

Frankfooter said:

Its dead....

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Not according to Canada or the UN. But why would you listen to them?

If you want to quote pcpsr, it seems more people hate the One state peace you want to force them into than hate the Two state idea.
Q65 -3) Abandon the two state solution and demand the establishment of one state for Palestinians and Israelis
1) certainly support 6.3%
2) support 25.6%
3) oppose 48.2%
4) certainly oppose 16.9%

I also wonder what your view of this question is?
Q82) Concerning armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel, I….
1) Strongly support 14.4%
2) support 36.0%
3) oppose 37.1%
4) Strongly oppose 7.5%
5) DK/NA 5.0%


Quite obviously, you have little interest in what Palestinians want and you oppose the Canadian views on the peace process, Hamas being terrorists, and anti-semitism.

basketcase said:

Not according to Canada or the UN. But why would you listen to them?

If you want to quote pcpsr, it seems more people hate the One state peace you want to force them into than hate the Two state idea.
Q65 -3) Abandon the two state solution and demand the establishment of one state for Palestinians and Israelis
1) certainly support 6.3%
2) support 25.6%
3) oppose 48.2%
4) certainly oppose 16.9%

I also wonder what your view of this question is?
Q82) Concerning armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel, I….
1) Strongly support 14.4%
2) support 36.0%
3) oppose 37.1%
4) Strongly oppose 7.5%
5) DK/NA 5.0%


Quite obviously, you have little interest in what Palestinians want and you oppose the Canadian views on the peace process, Hamas being terrorists, and anti-semitism.

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And only 17% support the present apartheid solution.
That means that your solution is the least favoured of all.
The two state solution is dead, thanks to the settlements you continue to support.

This is the exactly where your support has taken Palestine.
So what the fuck are you going to do?

Frankfooter said:

And only ...

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Amazing how you cherry pick results you think support your pathetic agenda, lie about reality, and ignore the ones that say Palestinians don't want to do what you tell them.

And why is it you don't want to discuss the 50% of Palestinians who support attacks on civilians or the 61% that supported blowing up a Jewish family on a picnic? Is it the same reason you tried to deny that SAIA was chanting for an intifadah?

Canada's official position
- Two State peace is the only option
- Hamas is a terrorist entity
- anti-zionism is a form of anti-semitism
- BDS is counterproductive and often used to hide racism.

basketcase said:

Amazing how you cherry pick results you think support your pathetic agenda, lie about reality, and ignore the ones that say Palestinians don't want to do what you tell them.

And why is it you don't want to discuss the 50% of Palestinians who support attacks on civilians or the 61% that supported blowing up a Jewish family on a picnic? Is it the same reason you tried to deny that SAIA was chanting for an intifadah?

Canada's official position
- Two State peace is the only option
- Hamas is a terrorist entity
- anti-zionism is a form of anti-semitism
- BDS is counterproductive and often used to hide racism.

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You forgot to include Canada’s official position:

-Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

- Canada does not recognize permanent Israeli control over territories occupied in 1967 (the Golan Heights, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip).

- Canada opposes Israel's construction of the barrier inside the West Bank and East Jerusalem which are occupied territories. This construction is contrary to international law under the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Btw...why don’t you tell us about the racist Rabbi with the incredible sense of religious entitlement that he thought it was his god given right to waltz onto any piece of a Palestinian land whenever the mood hit him.

Didn’t turn out well.

Liminal said:

You forgot to include Canada’s official position:

-Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. ....

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Thing is I also agree settlements are counterproductive. Canada's official stance is that the borders can only be resolved by negotiations.

The 1967 discussion is also irrelevant because that was a war with Jordan, Egypt, and Syria, not with a Palestinian state. Egypt and Jordan signed in their peace deals that they don't want that land back.


Of course this is all irrelevant to you because what you really want to argue is Jews shouldn't be allowed in the Middle East.

basketcase said:

Thing is I also agree settlements are counterproductive. .

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Canada’s official position

-Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

- Canada does not recognize permanent Israeli control over territories occupied in 1967 (the Golan Heights, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip).

- Canada opposes Israel's construction of the barrier inside the West Bank and East Jerusalem which are occupied territories. This construction is contrary to international law under the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Your positions are not Canada’s official position.

basketcase said:

Thing is I also agree settlements are counterproductive. Canada's official stance is that the borders can only be resolved by negotiations.

The 1967 discussion is also irrelevant because that was a war with Jordan, Egypt, and Syria, not with a Palestinian state. Egypt and Jordan signed in their peace deals that they don't want that land back.


Of course this is all irrelevant to you because what you really want to argue is Jews shouldn't be allowed in the Middle East.

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I'm sure Palestinian families and their children will find consolation in the notion that being forced out of their homes
and having their homes demolished for Israeli development is "counterproductive".
Down deep they must understand they can negotiate their way out of being brutalized and degraded into leaving their land.
What's not to get, right?

basketcase said:

Thing is I also agree settlements are counterproductive. Canada's official stance is that the borders can only be resolved by negotiations.

The 1967 discussion is also irrelevant because that was a war with Jordan, Egypt, and Syria, not with a Palestinian state. Egypt and Jordan signed in their peace deals that they don't want that land back.


Of course this is all irrelevant to you because what you really want to argue is Jews shouldn't be allowed in the Middle East.

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So why do you blame Palestinians for the lack of the two state solution when Israel declares it will annex the Jordan Valley?

Frankfooter said:

So why do you blame Palestinians for the lack of the two state solution when Israel declares it will annex the Jordan Valley?

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Because the two state solution was a scam from the very beginning and they have to justify it no matter how absurd the reasoning might be.

basketcase said:

Thing is I also agree settlements are counterproductive. .

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Illegal.

All settlements are illegal under international law.
Counterproductive is saying they are a little annoyance instead of admitting they are illegal, creeping colonization that killed the two state solution.

Liminal said:

Canada’s official position ....

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If you support Canada's view, you also need to accept that Hamas is a terrorist group and anti-zionism is a form of racism. But leave it to you to cheery pick.

And yes, I agree with all those things you posted.

mellowjello said:

I'm sure Palestinian families and their children will find consolation in the notion that being forced out of their homes
and having their homes demolished for Israeli development is "counterproductive". ...

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Except that's not happening. The only houses demolished are either those built without permit (happens to Jewish and non-Jewish residents) or the homes of terrorists (and I don't agree with that policy).

Frankfooter said:

So why do you blame Palestinians for the lack of the two state solution when Israel declares it will annex the Jordan Valley?

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Why do you refuse to blame the Palestinians for repeatedly rejecting peace deals?

And Netanyahu's annexation plan will never pass the Israeli parliament or courts and is just a sign of his desperation to hold onto power.

p.s. You never answered why you are okay with protesters chanting for an intifadah.

basketcase said:

If you support Canada's view, you also need to accept that Hamas is a terrorist group and anti-zionism is a form of racism. But leave it to you to cheery pick.

And yes, I agree with all those things you posted.

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So you're cherry picking what you agree with and think its wrong that others cherry pick from liberal party policies?
By the way, do you accept that the settlements are illegal or not?
Do you support annexation or would you protest against them by, say, boycott?

mellowjello said:

Because the two state solution was a scam from the very beginning and they have to justify it no matter how absurd the reasoning might be.

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So the UN's official position really a scam? It is also the only accepted idea for peace amongst Palestinian and Israeli people.

And do you seriously think the status quo is a better option than a Two state peace?

basketcase said:

Except that's not happening. The only houses demolished are either those built without permit (happens to Jewish and non-Jewish residents) or the homes of terrorists (and I don't agree with that policy).

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Can you even remember what you wrote a minute before, pud.

You just agreed that all Israeli settlements are a violation of international law. How can any single permit for an Israeli house be legal?

Frankfooter said:

So you're cherry picking what you agree with and think its wrong that others cherry pick from liberal party policies?
By the way, do you accept that the settlements are illegal or not?
Do you support annexation or would you protest against them by, say, boycott?

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Yes, you cherry pick and are a complete fraud. You repeated posts justifying Palestinian violence and Hamas terrorism show you are not interested in human rights or peace.
You praise Canada for supporting a UN resolution on Two States even though you reject the concept.
You deny Hamas is a terrorist entity.
You refuse to accept their view that BDS and anti-zionism are racist.

Meanwhile I agree that settlements are bad, the wall should be built only along the '67 lines without a different deal, and that the Occupied Territories should be decided by a peace deal.

Liminal said:

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You just agreed that all Israeli settlements are a violation of international law. ...

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As are many Palestinian residence on land taken from Jews in 1949. That's what makes this conflict far more complex than your constant demonization of Israel and why a negotiate peace is the only path forward (no matter what you and Hamas think).

basketcase said:

Yes, you cherry pick and are a complete fraud. You repeated posts justifying Palestinian violence and Hamas terrorism show you are not interested in human rights or peace.
You praise Canada for supporting a UN resolution on Two States even though you reject the concept.
You deny Hamas is a terrorist entity.
You refuse to accept their view that BDS and anti-zionism are racist.

Meanwhile I agree that settlements are bad, the wall should be built only along the '67 lines without a different deal, and that the Occupied Territories should be decided by a peace deal.

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As if the illegal settlements are a little side note….nice.....real nice.
I get it, anti-Zionism and BDS are racist, but driving families out of their homes and stealing their land is just bad, or "counterproductive".
Vomitous, nothing less.

basketcase said:

Why do you refuse to blame the Palestinians for repeatedly rejecting peace deals?

And Netanyahu's annexation plan will never pass the Israeli parliament or courts and is just a sign of his desperation to hold onto power.

p.s. You never answered why you are okay with protesters chanting for an intifadah.

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Thank God, the Palestinians can rest easy.
All they need to worry about is being driven out of their homes and having their land stolen,
something they can negotiate as they're getting the shit kicked out of them.
But what do they know, BDS is the real crime against humanity here.