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More than one-third of people shot to death over a decade by RCMP officers were Indigenous

COLIN FREEZE

UPDATED NOVEMBER 17, 2019

More than one-third of the people shot to death by RCMP officers over a 10-year period were Indigenous, according to a document from the police force obtained by The Globe and Mail. That percentage has alarmed First Nations leaders and is prompting calls for more data about police use of force in Canada.

In a December, 2017, briefing note written for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, the RCMP said its officers fatally shot 61 people across Canada between 2007 and 2017. In 22 of those cases, the memo said, the victim was Indigenous.

Twelve deaths, or 20 per cent of the overall total, took place on a reserve or in an Indigenous community. (Unlike First Nations, Inuit communities aren’t on reserve lands.) Several Indigenous people were also killed “off-reserve” – in such cities as Yellowknife, Burnaby, B.C., and Golden, B.C., the memo said.

The memo, released under Access to Information laws, said that the high proportion – 36 per cent – reflects the RCMP’s unique role in policing hundreds of Indigenous communities across Canada.

“It may appear disproportionality [sic] high that 36 per cent of fatal member-involved shootings by the RCMP deal with Indigenous subjects,” the note read.

“However, the RCMP is unlike any other Canadian police service in that it serves over 600 Indigenous communities (approximately 67% of RCMP detachments serve aboriginal communities.)”

The 36-per-cent Indigenous-fatality figure is “totally unacceptable," said Perry Bellegarde, the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, after he was provided a copy of the briefing note by The Globe.

“We’re 5 per cent of the [overall] population – of course it’s surprising. Thirty-six per cent of the fatalities from the RCMP are First Nations people? That’s totally unacceptable,” he said, vowing to raise the issue directly with RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki. “We call for immediate action to end the killing of our people,” he said. “It’s a highly disproportionate rate. No question.”

The 2017 memo did not provide further context, such as a breakdown of how many Indigenous people live in these communities, how many Indigenous people policed by the RCMP live outside of them, or how many people in total the force polices. The RCMP told The Globe that it does not keep detailed data, or retain race-based statistics about use-of-force incidents.

Criminologists says that data deficit is unfortunate, because previous studies have shown that Indigenous people are seriously injured or fatally shot by police in Canada – and not just by the RCMP – at much higher rates than other groups.

For example, past studies on police use of force in Ontario have found that “in urban areas, African-Canadians are overrepresented, and in rural areas, Indigenous populations are hugely overrepresented,” University of Toronto criminologist Scot Wortley said in an interview.

In 2017, Mr. Wortley examined a five-year data set on fatal shootings involving all Canadian police. Compiled by CBC, that data also led him to conclude that Indigenous people had a “police-related civilian-death” rate that amounted to more than three times the national average.

He said the briefing note demonstrates a need for police forces to gather and publish more use-of-force statistics.

“One of the things that struck me with the data is there seems to be a lot of what might be called ‘suicide-by-cop’ situations,” he said.

Overall, shootings by RCMP officers are infrequent and usually not fatal. The briefing note says that the Mounties responded to millions of calls each year. On average, there are 21 “member-involved” shootings annually and typically only six of them are lethal.

Of the 61 people killed by Mounties over a decade, 37 were “Caucasian,” one was “Middle Eastern,” one was “mixed race.”

The memo also provided a brief synopsis of each of the fatal shootings.

Some were in response to national-security events, such as a terrorist gunman’s 2014 attack on Parliament Hill or the 2016 case of a would-be suicide bomber shot outside his home in Strathroy, Ont.

The vast majority followed routine calls to the RCMP about assaults, robberies or domestic violence. Many were also about suicidal people who were said to have brandished firearms or knives at the police who arrived on the scene.

None of the officers were charged for wrongdoing, the briefing note said. Most of the shootings were deemed justified though “two incidents were forwarded to the Crown for charge assessment.”

The briefing note was signed by then-acting RCMP commissioner Dan Dubeau and sent in response to a request from Mr. Goodale. It is unclear what action the Liberal government took in response to the briefing note. A spokesman for Mr. Goodale, who lost his seat in the October election, said the outgoing minister will not comment. “We are in a transitional period until a new minister is appointed,” Scott Bardsley said.

The RCMP says all Mounties are educated in “bias-free policing” and in how to de-escalate situations.

The force is testing out less-lethal weaponry and trying to improve its cultural sensitivity. “The RCMP is also developing a new cultural awareness and humility course that will be available to all RCMP employees in the coming months,” said Corporal Caroline Duval, a spokeswoman.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-more-than-one-third-of-people-shot-to-death-over-a-decade-by-rcmp/
 

james t kirk

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So you’re saying 2/3rds weren’t.
Interesting way to look at it.

Me, I just would have thought it meant that indigenous people commit a disproportionate amount of crime relative to their population.
 

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Interesting way to look at it.

Me, I just would have thought it meant that indigenous people commit a disproportionate amount of crime relative to their population.
I would have also thought that their jurisdiction takes them to many places where indigenous people predominate and there are no local constabularies. Or some combination thereof.
 

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Interesting way to look at it.

Me, I just would have thought it meant that indigenous people commit a disproportionate amount of crime relative to their population.
Problem with percentage of population is that anyone can apply for status
People who are 1/16th Indian will apply for the tax benefits
 

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There was a story back in the Harper Government where RCMP were caught shooting Caribou in Northern BC as the Natives there were still hunting in their traditional hunting grounds. Apparently they also shot some of the hunters. The genocide of the Natives in Canada and around the World are still be exterminated. But all you hear in the MSM are stories about Don Cherry and how tolerant Canadians are.
 

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Whether or not this stat is indicative of a police force problem depends entirely on the rate of serious offenders in the Indigenous community (which I highly suspect is also disproportionately high). Yet why look at the complete picture when you can be outraged by cherry picking instead? :rolleyes:

Also, we're talking about 22 people over an entire decade, hardly an alarming number.
 

Charlemagne

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Interesting way to look at it.

Me, I just would have thought it meant that indigenous people commit a disproportionate amount of crime relative to their population.
They are only 4.9 percent of the population. A lot less than a third of the whole population of the country.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/171025/dq171025a-eng.htm

Marginalized groups tend to be treated more harsh by LE, and they live in poverty at a disproportionate rate. It's impossible to know which racial group commits the most or a higher percentage of crime than the others because the law is not equally applied across the board.
 

james t kirk

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They are only 4.9 percent of the population. A lot less than a third of the whole population of the country.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/171025/dq171025a-eng.htm

Marginalized groups tend to be treated more harsh by LE, and they live in poverty at a disproportionate rate. It's impossible to know which racial group commits the most or a higher percentage of crime than the others because the law is not equally applied across the board.
No doubt .
 

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They are only 4.9 percent of the population. A lot less than a third of the whole population of the country.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/171025/dq171025a-eng.htm

Marginalized groups tend to be treated more harsh by LE, and they live in poverty at a disproportionate rate. It's impossible to know which racial group commits the most or a higher percentage of crime than the others because the law is not equally applied across the board.
And what are the evidence that the law is not equally applied across the board? Statistical profiling is rational and effective.
 

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They are only 4.9 percent of the population. A lot less than a third of the whole population of the country.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/171025/dq171025a-eng.htm

Marginalized groups tend to be treated more harsh by LE, and they live in poverty at a disproportionate rate. It's impossible to know which racial group commits the most or a higher percentage of crime than the others because the law is not equally applied across the board.
I believe that all major cities have their own local forces, so for provinces with no provincial police force, it is up to the RCMP. I also believe that most indigenous people live outside of the large urban areas (Winnipeg is an exception). If you eliminate all municipalities over 300,000-400,000. I suspect that the percentage of indigenous people goes to a much higher percentage of the population and this is where the RCMP are the local law enforcement. It still may be disproportionate, but the discrepancy will not be as severe as with the 5% national average cited as a reference.
 

Charlemagne

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And what are the evidence that the law is not equally applied across the board? Statistical profiling is rational and effective.
Marijuana usage rates have always been similar across different racial groups, but blacks and natives always got arrested for it at a higher rate. Obviously this was before legalization. But it shows the bias in LE.
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/d35eyq/black-and-indigenous-people-are-overrepresented-in-canadas-weed-arrests

I would argue that customers of prostitution are not frequently gone after as much as other so called "criminals," due to the fact that most of them are middle aged/senior white males. I'm not saying that I oppose the total legalization of prostitution by stating this though.
 

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Of course the RCMP does operate on the territories that have disproportionately larger native population. Population that is armed and has a larger than average rates of social problems.
 

shack

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Of course the RCMP does operate on the territories that have disproportionately larger native population. Population that is armed and has a larger than average rates of social problems.
Just saying that that should be factored into the interpretation of the raw data.
 

james t kirk

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Tell me, with tinted windows, and assuming the cops generally come up on you from behind, or from the sides, how do the cops know that the driver is black or brown? You need to get right beside the driver to tell things like that.
 

Charlemagne

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Tell me, with tinted windows, and assuming the cops generally come up on you from behind, or from the sides, how do the cops know that the driver is black or brown? You need to get right beside the driver to tell things like that.
Not everyone has tinted windows.
Over policing certain areas where the demographic largely consists of people with a certain skin tone/ethnicity/nationality/race.
 

Charlemagne

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I believe that all major cities have their own local forces, so for provinces with no provincial police force, it is up to the RCMP. I also believe that most indigenous people live outside of the large urban areas (Winnipeg is an exception). If you eliminate all municipalities over 300,000-400,000. I suspect that the percentage of indigenous people goes to a much higher percentage of the population and this is where the RCMP are the local law enforcement. It still may be disproportionate, but the discrepancy will not be as severe as with the 5% national average cited as a reference.
I hear what you're saying, but I think I should also add that I believe most or even all police services have the same biases towards marginalized groups. Data across the board seems to suggest so
 

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I hear what you're saying, but I think I should also add that I believe most or even all police services have the same biases towards marginalized groups. Data across the board seems to suggest so
Possibly, but is that bias enough to account for the murder rate discrepancy?
 
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