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shack

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As somebody recently said, it's never too early to discuss.

Jays record the last 5 years. I think I see a trend. Will it change and if so, how much?

2015--93-69
2016--89-73
2017--76-86
2018--73-89
2019--67-95

Last year overall may be a difficult year to use as a barometer. Jays had such a terrible start but had a brand new rookie manager, and brought in a ton of new faces/rookies. Obviously it was going to take time for all the dust to settle as all parties were getting used to each other and many getting used to the bigs so it may not be fair to use the early part of the season, even up to and including June.

In September a lot of games are meaningless since many teams are just playing out the string and mainly looking at their call-ups. In the past we've been enthused by teams with good September records but then they revert to mediocrity again the next year, so I don't think those games are the best barometer with which to assess what may come next year.

As such, it seems to me that the months of July and August would be an appropriate and possibly best part of the season to look at to give us some kind of idea of what next year may bring. The team probably played their best baseball, our young core was there for a good chunk of that period, the manager had some time to get used to the majors, got to play around with batting orders and positions on the field and assess what he had to work with and most games in those months would be considered meaningful since most teams were running out their best rosters. I imagine that there will be significant turnover between now and the start of the season, but based on past performance I really don't see what part of the season would be a better parameter with which to forecast. So in the months of July and August, the Jays had a record of 23-29. Versus teams at .500 or better Jays were 9-12 and against sub .500 teams were 14-17. That's about 1/3 of a season. Or we can totally throw out last year all together and not even consider it.

So far, via trade, we brought in a back of the rotation starter at $8M so we may not have as many bullpen days, which frankly, are embarrassments. I read that there is interest in some of the Jays catchers. Do we have any other legitimate trade bait? It is doubtful that Jays will go after top tier FAs such as Cole or Strasburg or Betts. What mid-level FAs would be reasonable expectations? How much are Jays willing to pay? I don't think you want the young core improving but their efforts are squandered because there is no pitching. That's not how to build a winning culture. Will we re-sign Giles? Will we get a solid outfielder? I think our outfield is below par.

What should our expectations be for 2020, year 5 of the current management's regime? Can we play .500 baseball next year? Is .500 ball acceptable for 5 years of an experienced executive with affluent ownership in a large city that has proven that it will support a winning/competitive team? I think this may be a make or break year as I doubt Rogers has been very happy with decreased attendance, viewership and revenue even with a decreased payroll. I'm curious to see what and how much they do prior to opening day.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I hope they sign FA's Strasburg or Cole, but we all know they won't
 

Dawgger

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Really?? About the only thing that would surprise me is if the management group actually made moves that improved the team.
Am I correct in believing that this year(2020) is the final tear of Shapiro's contract with the Blue Jays? I can't recall hearing of an extension or is this just wishful thinking on my part?
 

blueray

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I hope they sign FA's Strasburg or Cole, but we all know they won't
No they won't, but they will say they are interested in signing them.....and then just chalk it up to being outbid.

I would like to see Grandal here, none of our current catchers give me a boner in an non-homo I love baseball way.

Shack is right, it's hard to create a winning culture when you're throwing out 4-5 stiffs a week to start the game. I hope they dive big into the market....but they won't. My opinion is that they will just make more minor moves here and there.

But Go Jays Go regardless.
 

shack

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mandrill

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Given another year of maturation, I think the position players / batters could be competitive. Maybe. Gurriel and Bichette looked heller good last year. The 'pen was not bad.

But this was close to worst starting rotation that I have ever seen outside Camden Yard. And they need to upgrade at catcher.

If they do that, MLB is full or worst-to-first stories and I'd be optimistic.
 

black booty lover

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Given another year of maturation, I think the position players / batters could be competitive. Maybe. Gurriel and Bichette looked heller good last year. The 'pen was not bad.

But this was close to worst starting rotation that I have ever seen outside Camden Yard. And they need to upgrade at catcher.

If they do that, MLB is full or worst-to-first stories and I'd be optimistic.

The upgrade at catcher will be that Danny Jansen can't possibly bat worse, and MaGuire will get more starts as his bat was pretty good last year.
 

black booty lover

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Am I correct in believing that this year(2020) is the final tear of Shapiro's contract with the Blue Jays? I can't recall hearing of an extension or is this just wishful thinking on my part?
I'm pretty sure both contracts were through 2019 and both have been extended 1 year through 2020.
 

gcostanza

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The New York Yankees release Jacoby Ellsbury, due $21.142Mm in 2020, and $5.0Mm in 2021.
 

Dawgger

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/ml...arte-shogo-akiyama/ar-BBXBDMG?ocid=spartanntp

It may mean that centre field will be a black hole again this year.

The article mentions 5 current roster players. Hernandez, Grichuk, Alford, Davis and the obvious choice Fisher! I doubt they can find a taker if they tried to trade him, I would be surprised if someone claimed him off waivers if they took him off the 40 man. Unless they sign some decent free agents it is going to be another long year.
If you haven't looked at the 40 guys they protected you should, outside of the youngsters they brought up last year pretty slim pickings and not all the young guns proved to be as advertised … so far!
 
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