Blue Jays 2020
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I listened to the interview with Mark from the Shatkins on Tim & Sid, and after he speaks I do feel more positive about the upcoming year and beyond. I just hope my optimism doesn't fade like it usually does.
Phil. Don't speak so fast.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-reach-agreement-pitcher-shun-yamaguchi/
2 years @ $3M/yr.
On the surface it appears to be another sideways, bargain basement, patchwork move that has nothing to do with adding a piece of the puzzle toward creating a contender. Maybe I am wrong that it is simply hoping that the pitching staff isn't as putrid as last year and they have enough arms to not resort to bullpen days again. It is only 2 years so read into that as you will.
Cy young candidates? on the 2020 Blue Jays ? Really? …….Oh.... were you being sarcastic? Phil never thought you would drop to that level! Sad so sad!
From what I have seen, the Jays have done absolutely zero towards advancing their long term plan. They have hired only stop gap pieces. I know BBL is happy with that and I care not to initiate a debate on that. Does anybody else see any methodology going on here that will give us the promised perennial contender because they are so deep in so many areas? Please enlighten me with more than the assurances relayed via Shatkins who are very smooth talkers. Without adding some pieces along the way (guys that they can give 4-6 year contracts (when the core will be peaking) then they will need to add 6 or 8 or 10 significant pieces next year (year 6 of their mandate) and get them all right. Who thinks that they will make all perfect pics in one year. Or do we give them a 8 or 10 year window to totally get it right? Does 8-10 years seem reasonable for a filthy rich franchise?
Can you elaborate a little on what there plan is? Because don't seem to know, and neither does Dawgger or Phil.
If they have a plan, I have no idea what it is. If you see a plan please let us know what it is and how long term it is. Their 5 years are up after the current season and you keep saying they have 5 years...….WELL?
Clearly you haven't been listening or watching. They inherited the oldest team in MLB with a big payroll and team that was at it's hype in terms of popularity. They tried to keep it competitive as long as they could knowing they were going to be stuck with big contracts that were going bog them down at some point. When it was finally clear that these guys were no longer good, they had to rebuild with a farm system that was absolutely depleted by AA. (nobody's blaming him as he went for it, almost won and gave this city the most fun until the Raps won) Regardless, these guys were left with mess. They basically said without actually saying this as you can't totally tell your fan base your going to suck for a few years as you rebuild, but what said was this:
We have at crop of young players coming up the pipe lines. We have to get them to majors, develop them, and when they're ready to contend, we'll have the money (or prospects to trade) to add the final pieces. They also want to add the pieces to have the biggest window so they're not one and done. Meaning, they don't want to sign a big FA to 3 years only to find out Bo and company are still a year away and waste a year. They want him around for 3 years while Bo and company seem to be at there peek. They have ton of financial flexability at this point, with Tulo's still getting 14 million this year that's the last of the big money to shed. They're going to spend money. Last year Vlad didn't prove to us he's the superstar we're hoping he is, so we need to wait just a bit longer. If doesn't bust out as superstar soon, and guys like Danny Jansen don't have better years, then these guys have a problem and we'll have to figure it out.
That's why Rogers upper brass was sort of forced to keep them as they couldn't pull the rug from underneath them at this point of the plan they presented them.
Oh! and one other nugget of info. All you guys that are complaining because big FA's like Strausberg and Cole didn't land in Toronto, those guys were never coming to Toronto. Probably would have had to pay them double to have a chance...lol. So getting these big FA's to come here is a problem on it's own.
Not that I documented it, but the years '20 and '21 have been regularly bandied about.
I don't recall anybody here calling for those size of signings. Please show us a quote where somebody said we should have acquired them. You are delusional in that regard. When we talk about getting solid major leaguers we are not saying superstars.
BTW, they have done what they've done since they've been here, which is make a bunch of cheap acquisitions and hope that can catch some lightning in a bottle. How has that worked out? The record has got worse each year.
Please tell us what you think is a reasonable time frame. This is year 5. And they have picked up no one who could be considered a part of a contending team. They won 67 games last year and are going sideways, cheap, patch jobs hoping they can win over 70. So that means 21021? '22, '23? How long are you willing to wait?
But I really want you to find posts here where people were saying Strasburg and Cole should have been signed. Take your time.
Then Shack I really don't know what your complaining about. Your always griping that the don't spend money. What do you want them to do? Throw big money at guys like Justin Smoak??
P.S, the reasonable time frame is the next two years. If these kids get off to a hot start, don't be surprised to see this administration get super aggressive at the trade dead line.
Like I don't know why your so against these guys. You realize this team had shitty GM's for 21 years before them right?? If you want to deduct AA's years from there, that's fine, but he didn't accomplish anything until his 5th year, when he was on the final year of his contract and went all in to save his ass and look good.
At least these guys have been somewhat clear with their plan (if you can read between the lines, which apparently most people can't) and if it works it works. If it doesn't, they'll be out.
