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  1. #1

    Double standard's obvious on blackface and Trudeau

    What are the chances blackface will be a Halloween costume this year?


    A week ago I would not have asked that question.

    A week ago I believed changing your skin colour to impersonate another race is always wrong.

    How times have changed.

    It was 1993 when actor Ted Danson infamously appeared in blackface. He did it at a Friars Club roast, an event that was well known for raucous humour in a closed — no recording or reporting — environment where attendees and performers expected material not suitable for general public display.
    Yet due to Danson performing in blackface, the great movie reviewer Roger Ebert reported at the time that the crowd was “appalled.” That was 26 years ago.

    But apparently the idea that blackface is wrong in all circumstances is so yesterday.
    By now you are possibly aware that Humber River-Black Creek Liberal candidate Judy Sgro, appearing on an Internet talk show, said that the black community in her riding told her they have “much more love” for Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau because he “wanted to have blackface” and that the media “have blown this into something that it shouldn’t be.”

    Host Jacqueline Dixon responded to those comments by saying, “It’s good to hear that.”
    I bring it up again, despite Sgro’s quick apology when the comments reached a wider audience through mainstream media like my Newstalk1010 radio show, because apparently what I have been told all these years is no longer true.

    I was shocked by the number of people contacting me to say that they, as black people, did not disagree with Sgro.

    Newstalk1010 reporter Hayley Cooper went to Humber River-Black Creek and found that many visible minorities agreed with Sgro. So why did Sgro apologize?

    But then, maybe it’s me. Perhaps I am just that out-of-tune white guy who got the memo back in the day and, like trying to follow the comings and goings of boy bands, I just didn’t keep up.

    I was accused by several people of trying to tell black people how to think. I would never do that. I was just trying to process — not Sgro’s political ramblings, but this new message that blackface is not wrong in all circumstances, that it is now circumstantial.
    If that is the case, I am left with further confusion. Where do I get the new memo? Who has the rules?

    If it is OK for Justin when, if ever, is it OK for me? If never for me and always apparently for him, why?

    Is there a list of “approved” white folk?

    There isn’t. What’s in play is a double standard and hypocrisy. Not all visible minorities agree, of course.

    Double standards should always be called out and mocked. That is why some white people told me they’d dress in blackface for Halloween this year.
    Someone challenged me to do blackface for the radio station’s Instagram page, believing I am the right guy to mock the double standard. Um, no. The result is predictable.

    To be clear, white people trying to mock the point by dressing in blackface for Halloween is inadvisable.

    Many people actually would be hurt and offended and you can be certain the double standard would unfairly raise its ugly head again.

    To the sycophantic Trudeau lovers — the hypocrites — I see you.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ce-and-trudeau

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Conil View Post
    What are the chances blackface will be a Halloween costume this year?
    A week ago I would not have asked that question.
    A week ago I believed changing your skin colour to impersonate another race is always wrong.
    How times have changed. …
    …[See the OP above for the full piece]…
    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ce-and-trudeau
    "I was shocked by the number of people contacting me to say that they, as black people, did not disagree with Sgro" You were shocked to be contacted personally,Conny? How did all these people get your co-ordinates? You haven't even shared them with your TERB buds, as far as I know.

    Since you seem unable to figure out how to post a quote taken from elsewhere clearly let me help fill in the gaps your elementary school teachers left:

    Your responsibility as a communicator is to distinguish anything you are quoting from your own words. If you sign the piece, you take credit and responsibility for everyword in it unless you do. Conventionally we enclose quoted material within double quotes, and name the source. That works for even with handwriting, but typographic formatting, a variety of techniques can accomplish the task. Quotes, especially lengthy ones are often italicized, and /or set apart from the writer's main text. Of course, if there is no actual main text, all the person who offers the quote needs to do is present it fully and accurately with the writer's/source's name more prominent than theirs and the job is done. I'll illustrate:
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Agar in the Toronto Sun
    AGAR: Double standard's obvious on blackface and Trudeau
    What are the chances blackface will be a Halloween costume this year?
    A week ago I would not have asked that question.
    A week ago I believed changing your skin colour to impersonate another race is always wrong.
    How times have changed. …

    …[full text in #1, above]

    To the sycophantic Trudeau lovers — the hypocrites — I see you.
    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ce-and-trudeau
    And do note the … (ellipses). When you edit someone else's work and then present it to others, you disrespect and misrepresent them by not indicating where you omitted material they included. Jerry Agar may have had his name inserted by a headline writer, but it's the Sun's piece as much as it is his. It is certainly not yours, and if you presume to edit it, you should mark the spot you took out the writer's name.

    On Jerry's issue: His writing and your effort to bring it to our attention (however mishandled) seem to disprove his own point. People — two at least — are still concerned. Just not as many as he and you would like, and not in the ways he predicted. Perhaps if you found better writers, and talked them into sharing your interests, then you and he could persuade more people to see it your way, and to behave as you both want.

    That is how it's done in free countries.

    What progress?

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Conil View Post
    What are the chances blackface will be a Halloween costume this year?


    A week ago I would not have asked that question.

    A week ago I believed changing your skin colour to impersonate another race is always wrong.

    How times have changed.

    It was 1993 when actor Ted Danson infamously appeared in blackface. He did it at a Friars Club roast, an event that was well known for raucous humour in a closed — no recording or reporting — environment where attendees and performers expected material not suitable for general public display.
    Yet due to Danson performing in blackface, the great movie reviewer Roger Ebert reported at the time that the crowd was “appalled.” That was 26 years ago.

    But apparently the idea that blackface is wrong in all circumstances is so yesterday.
    By now you are possibly aware that Humber River-Black Creek Liberal candidate Judy Sgro, appearing on an Internet talk show, said that the black community in her riding told her they have “much more love” for Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau because he “wanted to have blackface” and that the media “have blown this into something that it shouldn’t be.”

    Host Jacqueline Dixon responded to those comments by saying, “It’s good to hear that.”
    I bring it up again, despite Sgro’s quick apology when the comments reached a wider audience through mainstream media like my Newstalk1010 radio show, because apparently what I have been told all these years is no longer true.

    I was shocked by the number of people contacting me to say that they, as black people, did not disagree with Sgro.

    Newstalk1010 reporter Hayley Cooper went to Humber River-Black Creek and found that many visible minorities agreed with Sgro. So why did Sgro apologize?

    But then, maybe it’s me. Perhaps I am just that out-of-tune white guy who got the memo back in the day and, like trying to follow the comings and goings of boy bands, I just didn’t keep up.

    I was accused by several people of trying to tell black people how to think. I would never do that. I was just trying to process — not Sgro’s political ramblings, but this new message that blackface is not wrong in all circumstances, that it is now circumstantial.
    If that is the case, I am left with further confusion. Where do I get the new memo? Who has the rules?

    If it is OK for Justin when, if ever, is it OK for me? If never for me and always apparently for him, why?

    Is there a list of “approved” white folk?

    There isn’t. What’s in play is a double standard and hypocrisy. Not all visible minorities agree, of course.

    Double standards should always be called out and mocked. That is why some white people told me they’d dress in blackface for Halloween this year.
    Someone challenged me to do blackface for the radio station’s Instagram page, believing I am the right guy to mock the double standard. Um, no. The result is predictable.

    To be clear, white people trying to mock the point by dressing in blackface for Halloween is inadvisable.

    Many people actually would be hurt and offended and you can be certain the double standard would unfairly raise its ugly head again.

    To the sycophantic Trudeau lovers — the hypocrites — I see you.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ce-and-trudeau
    There will be major cultural repercussions of this election for years to come. It's increasingly going to be hard to take the woke mob seriously after this.
    http://m.torontosun.com/2017/07/30/n...litical-winner
    JOIN THE NDP AND VOTE GUY CARON LEADER!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldjones View Post
    "I was shocked by the number of people contacting me to say that they, as black people, did not disagree with Sgro" You were shocked to be contacted personally,Conny? How did all these people get your co-ordinates? You haven't even shared them with your TERB buds, as far as I know.

    Since you seem unable to figure out how to post a quote taken from elsewhere clearly let me help fill in the gaps your elementary school teachers left:

    Your responsibility as a communicator is to distinguish anything you are quoting from your own words. If you sign the piece, you take credit and responsibility for everyword in it unless you do. Conventionally we enclose quoted material within double quotes, and name the source. That works for even with handwriting, but typographic formatting, a variety of techniques can accomplish the task. Quotes, especially lengthy ones are often italicized, and /or set apart from the writer's main text. Of course, if there is no actual main text, all the person who offers the quote needs to do is present it fully and accurately with the writer's/source's name more prominent than theirs and the job is done. I'll illustrate: And do note the … (ellipses). When you edit someone else's work and then present it to others, you disrespect and misrepresent them by not indicating where you omitted material they included. Jerry Agar may have had his name inserted by a headline writer, but it's the Sun's piece as much as it is his. It is certainly not yours, and if you presume to edit it, you should mark the spot you took out the writer's name.

    On Jerry's issue: His writing and your effort to bring it to our attention (however mishandled) seem to disprove his own point. People — two at least — are still concerned. Just not as many as he and you would like, and not in the ways he predicted. Perhaps if you found better writers, and talked them into sharing your interests, then you and he could persuade more people to see it your way, and to behave as you both want.

    That is how it's done in free countries.
    If I read your very long post correctly it appears you are more offended about his posting mechanics than what he’s actually posting about.
    You are more concerned about how he presents quotes than the fact our Prime Minister being a racist.
    Did I get that right?

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Boober69 View Post
    If I read your very long post correctly it appears you are more offended about his posting mechanics than what he’s actually posting about.
    You are more concerned about how he presents quotes than the fact our Prime Minister being a racist.
    Did I get that right?
    Its gotten to the point that I ignore Oldjones as he's become a dinosaur with the obsession with grammar, titles, mechanics and links. He usually misses the larger picture.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaibetter View Post
    Its gotten to the point that I ignore Oldjones as he's become a dinosaur with the obsession with grammar, titles, mechanics and links. He usually misses the larger picture.
    I talked to him for a while but considering the BS and the trolling , I ignore him

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