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    The recent sub-2 hour marathon was rigged and will not be an accepted record

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/mor...cid=spartanntp


    Like the moon landing, Kipchoge’s run was a technical achievement that required unprecedented planning and support. In fact, it was so heavily engineered that his new time will not count as a world record. Kipchoge ran the fastest time ever over the marathon distance, but for heated reasons that get at the heart of the sport, he did not run a marathon.

    One hour and 59 minutes is fast in a way that’s difficult to comprehend. Despite the formidable distance, Kipchoge ripped through each mile of his run in about four and a half minutes. This speed would feel like an all-out sprint to almost anyone who could keep up with him in the first place. To sustain this blistering pace, Kipchoge ran under conditions that had been painstakingly and exclusively arranged to push him beyond the two-hour barrier. The INEOS 1:59 Challenge was not a race by any strict definition: It was simply Kipchoge, joined by a rotating phalanx of pacesetters, rocketing along the pavement against the clock.

    The planning that went into the event was a fantasy of perfectionism. The organizers scouted out a six-mile circuit along the Danube River that was flat, straight, and close to sea level. Parts of the road were marked with the fastest possible route, and a car guided the runners by projecting its own disco-like laser in front of them to show the correct pace. The pacesetters, a murderers’ row of Olympians and other distance stars, ran seven-at-a-time in a wind-blocking formation devised by an expert of aerodynamics. (Imagine the Mighty Ducks’ “flying V,” but reversed.)

    Kipchoge himself came equipped with an updated, still-unreleased version of Nike’s controversial Vaporfly shoes, which, research appears to confirm, lower marathoners’ times. He had unfettered access to his favorite carbohydrate-rich drink, courtesy of a cyclist who rode alongside the group. And the event’s start time was scheduled within an eight-day window to ensure the best possible weather. The whole thing was as close as you can get to a mobile marathon spa treatment—

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    "Kipchoge himself came equipped with an updated, still-unreleased version of Nike’s controversial Vaporfly shoes, which, research" They should check those shoes to see if there is a little motor inside (just kidding).

    I think a sub-2 hour marathon is inevitable. There will always be advances in sports. Humans are becoming bigger and faster and there are constant improvements in equipment (think of the hockey stick and tennis racquet as examples)

    He was way before my time but Roger Bannister broke the 4 minute mile that some people thought impossible.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bannister

    Bob Beamon set the long jump record in 1968 in Mexico City (7,200 feet above sea level) and they recognized his record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darts View Post
    "Kipchoge himself came equipped with an updated, still-unreleased version of Nike’s controversial Vaporfly shoes, which, research" They should check those shoes to see if there is a little motor inside (just kidding).

    I think a sub-2 hour marathon is inevitable. There will always be advances in sports. Humans are becoming bigger and faster and there are constant improvements in equipment (think of the hockey stick and tennis racquet as examples)

    He was way before my time but Roger Bannister broke the 4 minute mile that some people thought impossible.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bannister

    Bob Beamon set the long jump record in 1968 in Mexico City (7,200 feet above sea level) and they recognized his record.
    The issue is that the event was rigged to give the guy optimum conditions in every possible way. Thank you Captain Obvious for telling us that records are meant to be broken and that humans and technology continue to improve performances. As well, any casual sports fan knows about Roger Bannister, one of the, if not the greatest benchmarks established. However, your examples, although benchmarks, had nothing to do with being rigged.

    You seem to go off topic on your own threads, but please show some respect and do not hijack someone else's.

    Kipchoge broke a supposedly unbreakable mark, but it will not be recognized due to the conditions under which the race was conducted. Feel free to discuss this topic, but do not start rambling off tangent in a lame attempt at enlightening us to commonly known information that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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    Let's see him run that outside in 35 degree heat.
    Last edited by glamphotographer; 10-14-2019 at 09:05 PM.

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    Our friend Shack, as usual, did not explain why he thought the race was rigged. He simply cut and paste which we can all read. Sure the runner made sure he ran under optimum conditions (so would you) but he still ran himself. (The only issue are those shoes with the little motors inside, just kidding.)

    Roger Bannister also had pace setters in his record sub-4 minute mile run. So, should Bannister's record also be disallowed? Yes, I think his sub-4 minute mile is as much a milestone (no pun intended) as a sub- 2 hour marathon.

    Bob Beamon set his long jump record under the most optimum condition. He did it at 7,200 feet above sea level. Why wasn't his record disallowed?

    Shack, stop being so narrow minded. Sports is sports. So, why don't you in your own words (don't cut and paste someone else) explain why the run was rigged and the record should be disallowed?

    BTW: Speaking of Captain Obvious, anyone who follows sports already knew that the run was considered "rigged" and the record disallowed. There was no need for you to cut and paste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darts View Post
    Our friend Shack, as usual, did not explain why he thought the race was rigged. He simply cut and paste which we can all read. Sure the runner made sure he ran under optimum conditions (so would you) but he still ran himself. (The only issue are those shoes with the little motors inside, just kidding.)

    Roger Bannister also had pace setters in his record sub-4 minute mile run. So, should Bannister's record also be disallowed? Yes, I think his sub-4 minute mile is as much a milestone (no pun intended) as a sub- 2 hour marathon.

    Bob Beamon set his long jump record under the most optimum condition. He did it at 7,200 feet above sea level. Why wasn't his record disallowed?

    Shack, stop being so narrow minded. Sports is sports. So, why don't you in your own words (don't cut and paste someone else) explain why the run was rigged and the record should be disallowed?
    People cut and paste articles and then leave them to be discussed dozens of times a day. It is commonplace.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darts View Post
    BTW: Speaking of Captain Obvious, anyone who follows sports already knew that the run was considered "rigged" and the record disallowed.
    You are delusional if you think this is more widely known than Bannister's 4 minute mile. Was it also obvious to you, Captain, that the use of pacesetters has been around forever and is accepted, but never were the pacesetters lined up in a reverse V (or any) formation that would reduce wind resistance.

    As well, if this particular situation was sooo obvious, you are implying that YOU were already aware of it, yet you never felt that it was interesting enough to bring this up prior to my thread. So why are you so anxious to discuss it now?

    The whole purpose of this post is retaliation because you post idiocy and I, as well as others point it out and mock you. You are a joke in the sports forum. Everyone says that YOU KNOW NOTHING. Your bolded highlights do not make your attack any less lame.

    If you want to get back at me, I suggest that you pick your spots better. I posted what I felt was an interesting topic for discussion. Your attempt to attack my thread is transparently juvenile. Run along and let the adults talk among themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamphotographer View Post
    Let's she him run that outside in 35 degree heat.
    Exactly. The article said that they had an 8 day window in which to run the non-race (nobody else was trying to win, they were there to help him run faster) so they could choose the day whose weather would be most optimal for a fast time. I couldn't understand initially why the record shouldn't count, but once I read the details of the article it was clear. It was not a race, it was a staged event.

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    There was no rigging at all, as pacemakers (rabbits) are used in long distance running frequently.

    The sub 2 hr marathon time was not recognized based solely on the fact that it was not an "open" race, that is he was the lone runner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unassuming View Post
    There was no rigging at all, as pacemakers (rabbits) are used in long distance running frequently.

    The sub 2 hr marathon time was not recognized based solely on the fact that it was not an "open" race, that is he was the lone runner.
    Is that the ruling of the IAAF?

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    Is that the ruling of the IAAF?
    I stand corrected, his use of pace makers did disqualify him for a new WR by the IAAF:

    https://www.cp24.com/sports/kipchoge...enna-1.4635892

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    Thanks for that. I've got to believe that the way the pacesetters set up that wind suppressing "V" was part of it.

    Still, it was an impressive feat and I believe that he already is the record holder and doing so under conventional circumstances.

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    The OP did not specifically mention that the formation of the pace setters was the reason for the disqualification until his 3rd post and only after I mentioned that Roger Bannister also had pacesetters.

    Anyway I'll leave it at that.

    P.S. Maybe the IAAF will review their position. Bob Beamon smashed the long jump record 7,200 - 8,000 feet above sea level and that was still recognized as a record.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beamon

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