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Syria Will Be Turkey's Afghanistan

Darts

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Remember when Russia invaded Afghanistan and left with their tail between their legs?

Erdogan and Turkey will learn that wars are easy to start and often have unintended consequences.

Syria has already announced their army will join forces with the Kurds to repeal the Turkish invaders. ISIS has also announced they will attack Turkey as well (probably suicide attacks inside Turkey itself) to no one's surprise.

Once the bodies of Turkish soldiers start coming back across the border as well as attacks inside Turkey itself, Erdogan may not be long for this world. Erdogan was already not popular in Western Turkey in the first place. There will likely be a second coup.

https://news.sky.com/story/syrian-army-joins-forces-with-kurds-to-repel-turkeys-offensive-11834606

P.S. I think sooner rather than later, Iran and Russia will jump in to help their friend Assad.
 
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"Liberal's Kurds form alliance with Assad

Kurds join forces with Syria and Russia

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5320328"
 

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"Liberal's Kurds form alliance with Assad

Kurds join forces with Syria and Russia

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5320328"
If Russia joins forces with the Kurds its game over for the Turks. I heard today Turchia is inside one third of Siria.
 

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Turkey is also risking getting itself kicked outta NATO if it keeps this up.
 

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Turkey is also risking getting itself kicked outta NATO if it keeps this up.
I think Turkey was admitted to NATO only as a counterweight to Russia and they have been a rather useless counterweight. Never realized Erdogan is this stupid (he has very little if any support in western Turkey anyway). Syria kicked the (Ottoman) Turks out of Syria once before and could do it again.

P.S. POTUS has authorized economic sanctions against Turkey.
 

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Its not as simple with Turkey, they're part of Nato and I don't think they can be kicked out. The US has several bases in Turkey and has nuclear weapons stored there. The best thing that could happen is that someone gets rid of MerDOGan and the military get back into power.
 

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If Russia joins forces with the Kurds its game over for the Turks. I heard today Turchia is inside one third of Siria.
Russia will not join with the Kurds against Turkey. They'll send weapons and maybe a few advisors, but that will be it. Firstly because they can't take on NATO and secondly because can't afford it.
 

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They'll send weapons and maybe a few advisors, but that will be it.
That's what the Americans did in Afghanistan. Gave the Mujahideen weapons and advisors. Those Stinger missiles took a heavy toll on Russian helicopter gunships.
 

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That's what the Americans did in Afghanistan. Gave the Mujahideen weapons and advisors. Those Stinger missiles took a heavy toll on Russian helicopter gunships.
Any help will go to Assad as the Russian/Syrian alliance goes back more than half a century and Assad will keep the Kurds on the leash because if they get too powerful, they'll become a threat to him. Besides, the Turkish incursion is localised and will only last as long as the politics allow it. Already the Congress is assuring Turkey that it is facing harsh sanctions and the administration will pile on. Turkey simply cannot sustain a long war with its economy under siege.
 

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Remember when Russia invaded Afghanistan and left with their tail between their legs?....
Not unless a major power backs the Kurds.

And Russia wants power in both Turkey and Syria so I doubt they will do much other than sell weapons to both sides.
 

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...Besides, the Turkish incursion is localised and will only last as long as the politics allow it.....
It's already lasted three and a half years and the territory is expanding.

Only question is how far Syria will allow Turkey to expand before they get directly involved.
 

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Russia will not join with the Kurds against Turkey. They'll send weapons and maybe a few advisors, but that will be it. Firstly because they can't take on NATO and secondly because can't afford it.
You may want to rethink that, I agree they don't want to go in but.......

RUSSIA 'WILL NOT ALLOW' TURKEY TO ATTACK SYRIA AS IT SENDS TROOPS TO FRONT LINES

Russia has warned it would prevent Turkey from attacking Syrian troops after the U.S. withdrew from a looming clash between rival factions in the war-torn country.

Alexander Lavrentiev, the Kremlin's special envoy to Syria, downplayed the danger of a clash between the Turkish and Syrian militaries, telling RIA Novosti Tuesday that "the collision, first of all, it is not just that no one is interested, it is simply unacceptable."

"We will not allow this," he said.

The same outlet cited the Russian Defense Ministry as saying that its troops had been deployed to the front lines between the two opposing armed forces engaged in Syria's eight-year civil war. Russia, alongside Iran, has backed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad against a rebel and jihadi uprising supported by Turkey.

A third faction, the mostly Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces were supported by the U.S., but have been left behind by an ongoing withdrawal as Turkey, a member of the NATO Western military alliance, mobilized Syrian opposition fighters in an operation to take on Kurdish separatists. As a result, the Syrian Democratic Forces and the Syrian government have struck a deal under Russia to join forces in the face of their common foe.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-not-allow-turkey-syria-1465434
 

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You may want to rethink that, I agree they don't want to go in but.......

RUSSIA 'WILL NOT ALLOW' TURKEY TO ATTACK SYRIA AS IT SENDS TROOPS TO FRONT LINES

Russia has warned it would prevent Turkey from attacking Syrian troops after the U.S. withdrew from a looming clash between rival factions in the war-torn country.

Alexander Lavrentiev, the Kremlin's special envoy to Syria, downplayed the danger of a clash between the Turkish and Syrian militaries, telling RIA Novosti Tuesday that "the collision, first of all, it is not just that no one is interested, it is simply unacceptable."

"We will not allow this," he said.

The same outlet cited the Russian Defense Ministry as saying that its troops had been deployed to the front lines between the two opposing armed forces engaged in Syria's eight-year civil war. Russia, alongside Iran, has backed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad against a rebel and jihadi uprising supported by Turkey.

A third faction, the mostly Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces were supported by the U.S., but have been left behind by an ongoing withdrawal as Turkey, a member of the NATO Western military alliance, mobilized Syrian opposition fighters in an operation to take on Kurdish separatists. As a result, the Syrian Democratic Forces and the Syrian government have struck a deal under Russia to join forces in the face of their common foe.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-not-allow-turkey-syria-1465434
Russia, meaning Putin, will talk tough, but it has no way to project power into the region due to logistical constraints nor can or have any desire to take on a NATO member. Putin will use Syria to check Turkey's advance, but won't use regular Russian troops in the direct conflict(we have seen that for a while with Putin using unaffiliated "volunteers"(mercenaries) on the ground. The bottom line is that this is only a border conflict with the ever shifting alliances, goals and reasons. There will be no winner there and it's a money pit and a graveyard. It would seem that both, Putin and Trump, can see it and will only go as far as securing the survival of Turkey as a NATO member(Trump) and survival of Assad as the Russian client(Putin).
 

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This is weird. Apparently, Russian troops have taken over the outposts abandoned by the Americans.
 

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Russia will make Turkey limit its advance. That's because it is relying more and more on the Russians economically, while the US imposes economic sanctions on it. There is a tremendous amount of Russian tourism that can be halted instantaneously, and the new Southstream pipeline from Russia. Turkey also wants to be part of China's one belt one road trade project. There is not much Turkey can get from the West: They got into NATO as a preliminary step to membership in the EU, but they know that it's not going to happen, and they were simply used as a forward NATO base against Russia.

The Syrian presence in Kurdish areas may be the plan for Turkey to back off once the Syrians have secured the border and the Turkish feared Kurdish threat diminished.

Another case where the US gets proxy forces to do the dirty work for them, only to dump them unceremoniously when the US doesn't need them anymore.
 

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Question? Can the U.S. move their bases and stuff to Poland and/or eastern Ukraine?
 

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Question? Can the U.S. move their bases and stuff to Poland and/or eastern Ukraine?
The comments here show a clear misunderstanding of the situation. I won't even comment as I'm under the weather. Yes, they can move the base. If Turkey allows it. Turkey is the 2nd largest Military inside of NATO. So if you get rid of Turkey. You get rid of NATO. And they already tried to get rid of Erdogan in 2016 in the CIA coup d'etat. It failed. Russia saved Erdogan's ass. Face it. America is leaving the Middle East. Trump knows these War's for Israel and Britain don't serve America's interests. Behind the scenes he's killing the Fed and the USD as World Reserve currency. Amercia is now the largest producer of Oil & Gas in the World. They don't need the Saudi's and the petrodollar any longer.

Got Gold ?
 

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Not only the basis, apparently the US has 50 nuclear weapons stored in Turkey. :Eek:
I was thinking that this stuff can also be re-located, especially if they are on mobile launchers.
 
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