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DoFo government has made 'next to no progress' on plan to cut carbon emissions

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Premier Doug Ford's government has done almost nothing on the bulk of the promises in the greenhouse-gas reduction plan Ontario introduced last November, according to a new report by an environmental watchdog group.

The report published Thursday by Environmental Defence examines the seven key actions Ontario pledged to cut carbon emissions in the province, and finds that little or no progress has been made on all but one.

The actions were laid out in the "Preserving and Protecting our Environment for Future Generations," the plan unveiled after the Progressive Conservatives scrapped the Wynne Liberal government's cap-and-trade program.

"The government has acknowledged that the climate crisis is real, human-caused, and must be addressed," said Environmental Defence in its report. "Ontario's failure to act is a broken promise." .....................

The report says the government has taken no action on two programs that together account for one-third of its emission-reduction target:

  • Expanding conservation programs to reduce natural gas consumption.
  • Supporting innovation, such as energy storage and low-carbon heating fuels.

It says the government has taken minimal action on programs that account for another 40 per cent of the greenhouse gas (GHG) target, such as:

  • Increased use of green vehicles.
  • Cleaner fuels.
  • Establishing an emission-reduction fund for businesses.

Electric vehicle sales in Ontario during the first quarter of 2019 were down 55 per cent from the same time period the previous year, after the government scrapped all rebates for purchasing electric cars.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...rio-environment-plan-climate-change-1.5313763
 

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Finally, a "good news" story.
 

Gooseifur

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Who cares? As long as the rest of the world isn't doing it there is no point in us doing it.We are just punishing ourselves
 

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Try telling that to your children and their descendants who are / will be concerned.

Thanks to a certain POTUS who pulled out of all the Climate Change Talks etc. This has given the Chinese and Indians a green light to increase their emissions. But the Europe and most other Asian and African nations are beginning to take some steps to meet their targets. Why should Canada do nothing about it?? Dumb DOFO has no clue as to how he would tackle it. Our Children and their children will be the ones to pay the price if nothing is done to address it!!
 

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Try telling that to your children and their descendants who are / will be concerned.

Thanks to a certain POTUS who pulled out of all the Climate Change Talks etc. This has given the Chinese and Indians a green light to increase their emissions. But the Europe and most other Asian and African nations are beginning to take some steps to meet their targets. Why should Canada do nothing about it?? Dumb DOFO has no clue as to how he would tackle it. Our Children and their children will be the ones to pay the price if nothing is done to address it!!
If you get the rest of the world to sign up, I'm all for it otherwise we just punish Canadians. It's just stupid.
 

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Are you saying that you do not care for your children's future?
I do, but you didn't answer my question, if the rest of the world continues to pollute and refuses to implement any changes, what difference will it make if Canada does it, None, we will just be punishing ourselves.
 

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I do, but you didn't answer my question, if the rest of the world continues to pollute and refuses to implement any changes, what difference will it make if Canada does it, None, we will just be punishing ourselves.
So you are a lemming... just doing like everyone else is doing, without any critical thought.
Got it.
 

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I do, but you didn't answer my question, if the rest of the world continues to pollute and refuses to implement any changes, what difference will it make if Canada does it, None, we will just be punishing ourselves.
First and foremost do come up with some real facts. The above statement is false. As i stated before apart from the US, China and India most other most major players are all ready taking steps to lower their emissions and are on target to achieve them. That idiot of a POTUS pulling out of the Climate Conferences etc. was the most stupid move. No doubt a future more sane US Government will coerce everyone to get back to the negotiating table. If Canada does squat now, it will only have to double down later on to meet it's targets. Why not do what is right now for our children?? Now answer that question, unless you think that doing absolutely nothing is the right thing!!
 

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So you are a lemming... just doing like everyone else is doing, without any critical thought.
Got it.
Not a lemming actually being practical, if you think you think the rest of the world would follow Canada into anything you're delusional. As long as 3rd world countries and the industrial powers continue to pollute, nothing Canada does will matter. It's not practical and just costs Canadians in the long run with zero benefit. We can't even get our recycling program to run properly, We only recycle 9% of our plastic now, the rest ends up in landfills. You expect our government to be able to tackle this problem? we already produce more garbage per capita than any other country. That's under Trudeau, He's tackling the wrong problem. Carbon emissions are the least of our environmental issues, fix the garbage and recycling issue first.
https://www.crcresearch.org/solutions-agenda/waste
 

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Not a lemming actually being practical, if you think you think the rest of the world would follow Canada into anything you're delusional. As long as 3rd world countries and the industrial powers continue to pollute, nothing Canada does will matter. It's not practical and just costs Canadians in the long run with zero benefit. We can't even get our recycling program to run properly, We only recycle 9% of our plastic now, the rest ends up in landfills. You expect our government to be able to tackle this problem? we already produce more garbage per capita than any other country. That's under Trudeau, He's tackling the wrong problem. Carbon emissions are the least of our environmental issues, fix the garbage and recycling issue first.
https://www.crcresearch.org/solutions-agenda/waste
You're one of those guys who never tips in a group, aren't you?
The one who says, why should I tip, everyone else needs to pay first.
 

Gooseifur

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You're one of those guys who never tips in a group, aren't you?
The one who says, why should I tip, everyone else needs to pay first.
I do tip and what does that have to do with what we are discussing here, Are you the one who always goes off topic when you have nothing of value to add? You also didn't refute anything I said, maybe because I provided facts.
 

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First and foremost do come up with some real facts. The above statement is false. As i stated before apart from the US, China and India most other most major players are all ready taking steps to lower their emissions and are on target to achieve them. That idiot of a POTUS pulling out of the Climate Conferences etc. was the most stupid move. No doubt a future more sane US Government will coerce everyone to get back to the negotiating table. If Canada does squat now, it will only have to double down later on to meet it's targets. Why not do what is right now for our children?? Now answer that question, unless you think that doing absolutely nothing is the right thing!!
You mentioned the 2 most populated countries and the richest one, probably the 3 biggest polluters in the world, they are the major players, if you get them to sign up then fine, I'm all for it. Like I said I'm not against it if the other major players join in. As far as my children go, nothing we do will change their future if the other major players don't do anything. If China, India and the U.S. don't change their ways do you think Canada making changes will do anything?. We also produce more garbage per capita than any other nation in the world and only recycle 9% of or recyclables, maybe we should focus on that since we can actually control it and do something about it, instead of waiting on other countries to do their part. The federal government has done squat about the amount of garbage we produce and lack of an efficient recycling program, instead of adding a carbon tax, how about a waste or garbage tax that would encourage Canadian citizens to reuse. I will tell you why, because our PM only cares about talking points like climate change, he doesn't give a shit about anything else, especially things he can control like our waste management. The problem is he has no clue how to fix it.
 

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I do tip and what does that have to do with what we are discussing here, Are you the one who always goes off topic when you have nothing of value to add? You also didn't refute anything I said, maybe because I provided facts.
Its always the type who don't tip enough in a group that oppose projects for the public good.
The kind of person who says 'I don't have kid, why should I pay for schools'.
 

Gooseifur

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Its always the type who don't tip enough in a group that oppose projects for the public good.
The kind of person who says 'I don't have kid, why should I pay for schools'.
Again insulting me with zero proof, I do tip unless the service is really bad, even if it's bad I leave something, It's nice that you make assumptions about people you don't know. You also didn't refute anything I said. We also pay for schools through our taxes, we don't get to pick and choose where are taxes are going unlike tips. I don't expect you to understand.
 

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You mentioned the 2 most populated countries and the richest one, probably the 3 biggest polluters in the world, they are the major players, if you get them to sign up then fine, I'm all for it. Like I said I'm not against it if the other major players join in. As far as my children go, nothing we do will change their future if the other major players don't do anything. If China, India and the U.S. don't change their ways do you think Canada making changes will do anything?. We also produce more garbage per capita than any other nation in the world and only recycle 9% of or recyclables, maybe we should focus on that since we can actually control it and do something about it, instead of waiting on other countries to do their part. The federal government has done squat about the amount of garbage we produce and lack of an efficient recycling program, instead of adding a carbon tax, how about a waste or garbage tax that would encourage Canadian citizens to reuse. I will tell you why, because our PM only cares about talking points like climate change, he doesn't give a shit about anything else, especially things he can control like our waste management. The problem is he has no clue how to fix it.
Again these three countries do not amount to "the rest of the world" like you seemed to believe. Now we know that the person responsible for this is no other than The POTUS who pulled out of the Climate Change Conference and Panel. Like I mentioned that when a sane President occupies the Whitehouse then they will be accelerating the process for all nations to reach their emission targets. So why wait for that day, when we can have a head start by implementing it just like all the more responsible nations are doing so. If we do not, then our children will have to pay the price for it!!
 

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Again these three countries do not amount to "the rest of the world" like you seemed to believe. Now we know that the person responsible for this is no other than The POTUS who pulled out of the Climate Change Conference and Panel. Like I mentioned that when a sane President occupies the Whitehouse then they will be accelerating the process for all nations to reach their emission targets. So why wait for that day, when we can have a head start by implementing it just like all the more responsible nations are doing so. If we do not, then our children will have to pay the price for it!!
When and if that day comes that the U.S has a new president and are willing to implement changes as well as China and India, I'm all in,you do realize those 2 countries make up 25% of the world population right? Climate change is a real thing and should be addressed but so should are garbage and recycling problem which also adds to pollution and hurting our children but our PM doesn't care about those issues because they do nothing for his image on the world stage, it's pathetic actually, it's just as big a problem as climate change is and probably easier to fix since it is our own problem.
 

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When and if that day comes that the U.S has a new president and are willing to implement changes as well as China and India, I'm all in,you do realize those 2 countries make up 25% of the world population right? Climate change is a real thing and should be addressed but so should are garbage and recycling problem which also adds to pollution and hurting our children but our PM doesn't care about those issues because they do nothing for his image on the world stage, it's pathetic actually, it's just as big a problem as climate change is and probably easier to fix since it is our own problem.
That day will come, so why wait for it when we can have a head start!! Canada per capita has one of the highest emissions in the world, and it is definitely the highest among the G20 nations.
There are already legislations on the plastic bags that there is a charge. Moreover, single use plastic is set to be banned. If Scheer comes into power, he probably will reverse these pieces of legislation just like he intends to do so with the carbon tax. He has no alternate solution to it. Also, remember that the previous Harper Government was shipping out all the plastic non recyclable wastes to countries like the Philippines and Malaysia. This was something that they were not interested in tackling!!
 
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