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DoFo government has made 'next to no progress' on plan to cut carbon emissions

JohnLarue

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So you are a lemming... just doing like everyone else is doing, without any critical thought.
Got it.
Have you applied any critical thought the question "Is the climate change issue over exaggerated"
Time will tell who was the lemming

 

Frankfooter

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Have you applied any critical thought the question "Is the climate change issue over exaggerated"
Time will tell who was the lemming

Still comparing apples and oranges?

Still think comparing surface projections with atmospheric readings proves something?
 

JohnLarue

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Still comparing apples and oranges?

Still think comparing surface projections with atmospheric readings proves something?
Still think atmospheric temperature changes are irrelevant to the Greenhouse gas theory which occurs in the atmosphere ?
Again why have climate scientist sent up over a million weather balloons over the decades? Was it for fun?
 

Gooseifur

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That day will come, so why wait for it when we can have a head start!! Canada per capita has one of the highest emissions in the world, and it is definitely the highest among the G20 nations.
There are already legislations on the plastic bags that there is a charge. Moreover, single use plastic is set to be banned. If Scheer comes into power, he probably will reverse these pieces of legislation just like he intends to do so with the carbon tax. He has no alternate solution to it. Also, remember that the previous Harper Government was shipping out all the plastic non recyclable wastes to countries like the Philippines and Malaysia. This was something that they were not interested in tackling!!
Trudeau is doing the same with our plastics except China and other countries in the far east are taking less, He doesn't have an answer either. At least those countries were recycling it and reusing, shipping it to other countries for them to recycle and reuse it was tackling the problem. now it ends up in our landfills and our PM doesn't have an answer for it. Single use plastic is a problem, but it's minor compared to other plastics, why aren't drinks and food containers considered single use? Because it will be too difficult to get rid off. It's easy to get rid of straws and drink stirrers, again it's a pussy move by a pussy PM. It's for optics more than anything else. I agree Scheer wouldn't do anything either. If Trudeau really wants to change things he needs to heavily tax anything in plastic, to force the industries to change back to glass bottles and foil food containers.
 

Frankfooter

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Still think atmospheric temperature changes are irrelevant to the Greenhouse gas theory which occurs in the atmosphere ?
Again why have climate scientist sent up over a million weather balloons over the decades? Was it for fun?
Atmospheric temperature changes are 'irrelevant' to the Greenhouse theory, they are irrelevant to projections of surface temperatures.
Duh.
 

JohnLarue

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Atmospheric temperature changes are 'irrelevant' to the Greenhouse theory, they are irrelevant to projections of surface temperatures.
Duh.
Duh pretty much describes the level of intelligence that went into your response
the Greenhouse gas theory describes an effect which occurs in the atmosphere
and you say Atmospheric temperature changes are 'irrelevant' to the Greenhouse theory???

You are a scientific know -nothing and far more entertaining from a comic relief point of view than informative
 

JohnLarue

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Trudeau is doing the same with our plastics except China and other countries in the far east are taking less, He doesn't have an answer either. At least those countries were recycling it and reusing, shipping it to other countries for them to recycle and reuse it was tackling the problem. now it ends up in our landfills and our PM doesn't have an answer for it. Single use plastic is a problem, but it's minor compared to other plastics, why aren't drinks and food containers considered single use? Because it will be too difficult to get rid off. It's easy to get rid of straws and drink stirrers, again it's a pussy move by a pussy PM. It's for optics more than anything else. I agree Scheer wouldn't do anything either. If Trudeau really wants to change things he needs to heavily tax anything in plastic, to force the industries to change back to glass bottles and foil food containers.
Really
Any idea how much energy is required to form a glass bottle ?
Have you watched an aluminum smelter? It is one of the most energy intensive process going

Probably orders of magnitude more energy inputs for those two on a per weight basis relative to thermoformed plastic extrusions
 

bver_hunter

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Trudeau is doing the same with our plastics except China and other countries in the far east are taking less, He doesn't have an answer either. At least those countries were recycling it and reusing, shipping it to other countries for them to recycle and reuse it was tackling the problem. now it ends up in our landfills and our PM doesn't have an answer for it. Single use plastic is a problem, but it's minor compared to other plastics, why aren't drinks and food containers considered single use? Because it will be too difficult to get rid off. It's easy to get rid of straws and drink stirrers, again it's a pussy move by a pussy PM. It's for optics more than anything else. I agree Scheer wouldn't do anything either. If Trudeau really wants to change things he needs to heavily tax anything in plastic, to force the industries to change back to glass bottles and foil food containers.
The plastic shipped off to the Philippines, Indonesia etc were not being recycled. All that was happening is that a large proportion was just stacked up and a sizeable amount dumped into oceans etc.

We have had to take some of it back, as it was a scandal in the first place for Harper to do what he did then without getting any assurances that they will be recycled!!

Exactly, items like shopping bags, drinks, water bottles, coffee cups, plastic straws, cutlery etc. WILL BE considered to be single use plastic containers and will be banned. You should have seen the response from some of the right wingers when 5c charges were mandated as a charge by grocery stores. Many calling it a tax grab etc. But did it not help for us to use different types of reusable grocery bags as a norm?? I have since used the reusable grocery store bags and will never accept the plastic bags from any stores. We know that Scheer is not interested in doing anything about it, as he is a pussy that will pander to big businesses. But banning the use of single use containers is a very positive start!!
 

Gooseifur

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Really
Any idea how much energy is required to form a glass bottle ?
Have you watched an aluminum smelter? It is one of the most energy intensive process going

Probably orders of magnitude more energy inputs for those two on a per weight basis relative to thermoformed plastic extrusions
It might use more energy but will be re-usable unlike the plastic bottles which are thrown away at alarming rates, our beer and alcohol come in bottles why can't we do the same for water,juices and soft drinks. You also said it probably takes more energy to make bottles and cans but can't say for sure, maybe you should find out before you post a statement.
 

Boober69

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It might use more energy but will be re-usable unlike the plastic bottles which are thrown away at alarming rates, our beer and alcohol come in bottles why can't we do the same for water,juices and soft drinks. You also said it probably takes more energy to make bottles and cans but can't say for sure, maybe you should find out before you post a statement.
In Ontario, only 11% of items collected via the recycling program are actually recycled.
Now take into consideration how much pollution is generated as part of that program such as the trucks driving around to collect it, the factories that make the trucks, bins, etc and what you have is a program that makes tree-hugging Liberals feel good, but is actually doing nothing significant for the environment.
If there is a plastic water bottle crisis that is bringing on the end of the world, then ban them rather than using them as an excuse to whine about the problem...if there is a problem.

And BTW here’s a dose of reality...if Canada was to reduce its carbon emissions to zero today...between Russia, China and the US, they would surpass what Canada was producing by Nov 30th.

Think about that when you are happily filling up your tank and paying that world-saving carbon tax.
 
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