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fall

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Over the last 5 years I noticed that the number of critical reviews went down to almost zero. All the existing reviews can be divided into 2 main categories: "scam" and "wonderful experience". The third minority category is "absolutely awful". Am I the only one who have lots of mediocre experiences, both with MAs and SPs (I never use independent providers)? I am especially pissed of with the "GFE MA" thread: based on it almost all MA in Ottawa are GFE. Lots of "+", almost no "-", but I have lots of mediocre experience with many of the "+" girls there. IMHO, once such list was established, it reduced the incentives of writing critical reviews. It is kind of a Pass/Fail grading system: the girl may be a "C-" girl but still gets lots of "+" since she passes the lower bar and there is absolutely no way to distinguish her from an "A" girl. This board become just another version of the rosy board with lots of self-policing. Hell, even such innocent information about MAs as type of kissing (yes, there are different types!) and DATY gets many angry responses and eventually gets deleted. Sorry for venting out.

P.S.: for the "post counting police": yep, I am not the active reviewer and, after I had several of my honest detailed reviews deleted and got called names by some of the "active" guys in here, I have little intention writing any more reviews.
 

Respect1

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Terb Math

98% of reviews are posted by 2% of Terb members
After a good review on here , good luck trying to re-book your positive review girl ,, the 98 % that don't post are reaping the benefits.
 

elkober

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I agree with most of what you wrote.

The +/- 1's voting model influences guys to provide the minimum contribution possible. It doesn't give the full picture, and as you mentioned the bar is so low that it makes me wonder why and what really is being voted for lol

I personally find it sad that the most popular thread on this board (Ottawa section) is for providers with which for the most part aren't offering bj/fs while providing the least amount of contribution as possible.

If Ottawa guys were more into FULL SERVICE escorts, maybe the scene would be better.

Still, #RESPECT for how other's wish to operate.

I also agree with Fall. I have not seen nor participated in critical “Fall threads” so won’t go there. Like Bobbiz, I respect others views so am not looking to get into arguments over this, but I agree that a simple pass/fail rating doesn’t do it for me. On top of that I have concerns with the “GFE” application. This may be because I have a bias due to the fact I prefer the SP scene over the MP. Regardless, what I consider GFE means fs and bbbj - CIM might straddle the border between GFE & PSE. When I first started I visited AMPs mostly because I was getting my definition of GFE, but that became hit or miss and gravitated to SPs - more money, so activity declined, but definitely more worth it.

ELK
 

Idalgo

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Agree with "fall" 100%. More and more reviews now are culmination of absurd - glowing feedback on SPs and MPs with 10 out of 10 ratings where the object of a review barely deserves a half of what has been put on Terb.

The elevation of rates from 180-200 to 240-260 can be a direct result of that. The rates in Montreal changed from 180 to 200 and now sometimes 220 with escort agencies slowly over the course of 15 years. The reviews on Merb tend to be more to the point.

The false reviews encourage the elevation of rates in my view. I am not looking for a dispute , just sharing my own independent point of view, don't need to be convinced otherwise.
 
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medalllione

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As someone who gave a -1 the girl came on and responded right away. Which is fine... but the whole story on why she got a -1 wasn't on here.

I won't vote -1 again bc I am here to voice my opinion and not sit here and defend why a girl isn't GFE as she tries to blame me.

There is no point in voting and getting girls mad, so for me I would never vote -1 again.
If i could I would have given her a -5.

I also feel like I could not go back to CMJ because I voted -1 for one of their girls.

Like do I need to make an anonymous account just to vote because people can't handle they didn't meet the criteria?
Completely agree. There is zero incentive to give a -1. Not only backlash from the girl who gets the rating, even terb members too. Just recently I gave a +1 with not too flattery comments and instantly I got PM'd by the MA with rude comments and got blocked on twitter. In hindsight, I would have assigned her a -1 but the GFE bar is set so low that even if all the MA does is being friendly and civil is a pass mark. Of course, I am not going to see the MA again as it shows poor judgement and immaturity but the point is I am finding that lots of the +1 out there mean nothing and frankly unhelpful in deciding whether an MA is worth visiting or not.
 

keats

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I don't think I do much in the way of middling/mildly critical reviews just because it's so hard to know if it's representative or not.

Maybe they were just having a bad day, or you were and your bad mood was showing. Or you just didn't click and others did.

With the limited amount of reviews on here one tepid review could really cause problems for the provider, and if you don't feel like it was actively a bad experience, it seems overly harsh.

I guess if there were a large thread with many different opinions I'd be more likely to share a middling one, since there would be more context for anyone to try and get an idea. But to start a new thread - so really all that's out there is that - isn't something I see myself doing.

edit: typo
 
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fall

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If you are seeing sex workers on a regular basis and is constantly getting 'mediocre' service, how do you know if the problem is maybe your personality and chemistry with the MA/SP? What do you consider an amazing vs. mediocre session, high mileage and friendly service? Well usually those go hand-in-hand with connection and chemistry. Even an 'A+ girl' from your definition isn't necessarily going to be friendly with a client that gives off the wrong attitude/vibes.
Please, no YMMV shit again. Of course, YMMV, but usually conditional (on the girl) "expected" mileage do depend on the girl (i.e., given the same set of man visiting two different girls, one girl will give more average mileage than another). So, critical reviews with mileage description are really important to figure out this "average" component. Assuming that at Brass and CMJ you can rarely get BJ or FS, some other detailed information may be useful. Example of such information include: kissing (DFL, LFK, other), DATY, fingering, if the girl gets natural wet, does she enjoy herself (or good at pretending she does it), does she smile, does she looks at you or keeps her eyes closed, during the finish does she pull away or lean into you with lots of kissing and mutual masturbation, etc. All these things make MA to be a GFE MA. Note that I am not talking about sex and BJ, I am not talking about SP GFE, and not even about "hybrid" MAs. I am talking about regular MAs, and the actual things that make MA to be a GFE MA. When I tried to post such info about some of MAs I've visited, got lots of negative comments and my reviews were deleted. I tried to go with the number of "+" on GFE MA list but had so many mediocre sessions that I no longer use it. I am back to seeing a "lineup" at Brass and ask girls direct questions, also it is makes me (and girls) very uncomfortable and still it limits the information only to the availability of kissing and DATY, not the quality of it and additional aspects that honest detailed reviews can provide
 

MidGuyy

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I agree with most of what you wrote.

The +/- 1's voting model influences guys to provide the minimum contribution possible. It doesn't give the full picture, and as you mentioned the bar is so low that it makes me wonder why and what really is being voted for lol

I personally find it sad that the most popular thread on this board (Ottawa section) is for providers with which for the most part aren't offering bj/fs while providing the least amount of contribution as possible.

Showers and HJs revs are useless imo because anyone can get them.

I find a voting system raises more questions/issues than contribution.

If Ottawa guys were more into FULL SERVICE escorts, maybe the scene would be better.

What I find funny about all this is that I've identified this problem over 2 years ago. So I decided to gather real reviewers (imo).
1. Must provide a review to get in.
2. All revs are complete, informative, and useful: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fJaAByxI8uNjd_pPRu_pYQ2KsXFOjm92fqQO7iJNQk/edit?usp=drivesdk
3. A time limit is established to provide revs: no leechers allowed.

Still, #RESPECT for how other's wish to operate.
How do you know Ottawa guys Aren’t in to full service workers and why?
 

fall

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not sure why the fall guy and bobbiz keep bring it up. have you ever read the voting rules and criteria in gfe ma list? if this list has no use for you then don't use it. move on

secondly, get the mod to change the rules here https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?644113-EXTRAS-and-the-like and maybe a new list is a truly gfe ma list.
I've seen these rules and it is about extras. Kissing, DATY, etc. are not extras. You do not pay extra for it. It is a standard service that most of the girls provide. BJ and FS are extras. So, why do we police ourselves that much?

And about "if you do not like it - do not use it" approach to MA GFE list: in addition of "free speech" argument it actually has negative impact on everybody who do not like it provides a "culture" for a review with such low defined bar and once a person put his "+1" there, rarely it goes into details of what was not so good. This MA GFE thread actually hijacked the natural review process.
 

hoffa68

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I've seen these rules and it is about extras. Kissing, DATY, etc. are not extras. You do not pay extra for it. It is a standard service that most of the girls provide. BJ and FS are extras. So, why do we police ourselves that much?

And about "if you do not like it - do not use it" approach to MA GFE list: in addition of "free speech" argument it actually has negative impact on everybody who do not like it provides a "culture" for a review with such low defined bar and once a person put his "+1" there, rarely it goes into details of what was not so good. This MA GFE thread actually hijacked the natural review process.
Just a few thoughts here. When speaking about extras in the MA realm and as it pertains to the GFE list, kissing and DATY are extras. Lots of MAs dont allow or provide it and it is not criteria for giving a +/- 1 on the list. I've even had a couple of MAs that said kissing was an additional cost.

Although I contribute to the list, I generally add a separate review. However unless it is something real awful, i dont post negatives.

I also never use the list to determine if I'm going to see a MA because I know that the bar is set very low. I separate the definition of GFE from a MA visit vs a SP visit. GFE MA includes sensual kissing and DATY. GFE SP includes BBBJ and FS along with kissing and DATY. The list never provides the information I need to determine if I want to see her but i contribute to help out those who use it.
 

asuran

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I could be wrong, but I thought the rule was clear that no private voting would be allowed. Votes have to be posted publicly.
wrong b

Instructions

Simply reply to this thread or send "maseeker" a Private Message to add recommendations or suggest deletions. Optional: You can provide a brief explanation on how a name meets (or doesn't meet) the four above criteria at a minimum.
 

JohnnyFever

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The GFE MA list has limited utility because of the "GFE" part - too subjective, therefore set at too low a bar. Most MAs at a spa like Brass or CMJ will hit the basic "GFE" definition with default services. A simpler list would be better, something like a +/- vote which is only counted on the spreadsheet if the person provides some details like "+1 Jill@Brass - great kisser, excellent bodyslides". That would give a little more weight to the values.
 

StillROAMing

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Incorrect. The original MA thread was started by Tolleman and PM votes were allowed. After Urban Cowboy took it over he later didn't allow votes through PM, in 2017, and now maseeker has taken over and is allowing votes through PM.

With the dust that tends to get kicked up when a "-" vote is posted I think allowing votes through PM is a great alternative. No drama.
 

medalllione

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Incorrect. The original MA thread was started by Tolleman and PM votes were allowed. After Urban Cowboy took it over he later didn't allow votes through PM, in 2017, and now maseeker has taken over and is allowing votes through PM.

With the dust that tends to get kicked up when a "-" vote is posted I think allowing votes through PM is a great alternative. No drama.
Good to know. I intend to take advantage of this option in the future.
 

medalllione

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What the thread does is point out that many of the hostesses at Paradise Spa, Angel's Touch and at times ALO and Bodybasics and some of the asian spas are not GFE within that definition either because the hostesses do not provide a shower, there is nowhere to shower, they do not provide a bodyslide or are unfriendly
Or, worse, I know for a fact that an MA from one of the above spas upsells for bodyslide
 

fall

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Totally agree with this!! :encouragement:
An MA who has several positive votes will generally be a girl with friendly service. Otherwise, why would clients even bother to give her a +1. Original Poster complaining that girls with great reputations on GFE thread are giving him "mediocre" service honestly seems like a personal problem to me. Or maybe his expectations are too high.

GFE means Girlfriend Experience,
not "guaranteed extras and full service!!" :confused:
I think, you should be careful making such posts (assuming your are Asia from Brass Club). Making such conclusion (a "personal problem") and conjectures ("extras and full service") will turn away lost of possible clients right away. I never consider BJ or FS as a part of MA GFE (although if offered, it is always a plus), but DATY and "open-mouth kissing" is standard (not extras) and, although YMMV, it is more of a case "there is something bad here" to have no DATY and kissing rather than "we need to have great connection" to get them. A few years back bad experience (no DATY, no open mouth kissing, non-reactive girl) was rare at Brass, now it is every second one. Yes, I am two years older now, but I doubt I changed that much. On the other hand, the girls are new :).
 

asuran

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DATY and "open-mouth kissing" is standard (not extras) and, although YMMV, it is more of a case "there is something bad here" to have no DATY and kissing rather than "we need to have great connection" to get them. A few years back bad experience (no DATY, no open mouth kissing, non-reactive girl) was rare at Brass, now it is every second one. Yes, I am two years older now, but I doubt I changed that much. On the other hand, the girls are new :).
I would not say that it is considered standard, unless you have confirmed this with Jessica.
Although, it may be because of different girls have different levels of open-mindedness. Please don't mistake open-mindedness as being 'standard', it's two different things.
 

fall

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I would not say that it is considered standard, unless you have confirmed this with Jessica.
Although, it may be because of different girls have different levels of open-mindedness. Please don't mistake open-mindedness as being 'standard', it's two different things.
"standard" means "offered by the majority of the girls". It was standard 2-3 years ago, and ,I think, it is still standard. My experience: 90% 2 years ago, 75% now (but the quality and girls' enthusiasm while doing it went down the hill). So, it is as "standard" as having sex with SP. Saying that DATY and kissing is "open-mindedness" service is the same as to say that when you meet SP the money is "just for companionship" and everything else is YMMV. The default setting is DATY and kissing is offered, and if any specific girl does not offer it, it is the girl's responsibility to say so up front.
 
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