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fall said:

The default setting is DATY and kissing is offered.

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This is false statement.
Since as you said not every MA offered this. Then by definition, it is NOT default setting since it is not automatically included by every MA.

However if you say it is your opinion that it should be included then that may be valid. This last bit is ultimately what this thread is about, an opinion.

Now what we can conclude from this is, daty and kissing is not the CURRENT default setting (or standard, if you prefer this term)
So from now on, just be aware of this and you will be more prepared for it not to happen.

Edit: Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Enjoy the great food with family/friends.

fall said:

Sorry, have to disagree with you about the definition of "default" setting. Default setting is the most common occurrence, not the minimum service offered, and, hence, DATY and kissing is default setting.

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What I'm saying is you've been very, very lucky to have had been getting above and beyond services from MAs from two years ago. And now that you are not getting these above and beyond services you feel, understandably, shafted.

Who, in your opinion, should be the ones that decide what is the default/standards sessions at the clubs?
Is it not the club owners and the MA themselves that decide what they are comfortable to offer as default?

Again, you have been very lucky with certain above and beyond services previously. Now just not so lucky.

I'm in no way saying we should or should not be getting certain services. Just that it is not us that decide it, that decision is with the MA/club owners.
However we get to choose where we want to go and spend our hard earned money in order to have our desires fulfilled.

What you want, is to know who offers what you desire (daty/kissing).
May I suggest starting a 411 thread for that? Maybe people will PM you answers. Or better yet, maybe you can organize a daty/dfk list/thread.

Also confirm with a mod as I believe daty at an MP may be considered as extra according to TERB rules from 2003.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?644113-EXTRAS-and-the-like

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I have zero problems with you desiring certain services. Just that you keep calling certain services as THE standard. Which is incorrect.
Standards of goods/services are ALWAYS decided by the establishment or the provider. The ones OFFERING gets to decide the standards of their products/services.
We as consumers gets to choose which standards offered, we spend our money on.
We can only influence the standards through our wallets, we don't decide the standards.

I think the important standard here is what the participants of this board/thread commonly understand it to be. We're not out to regulate the industry but rather make sure we have a proper understanding amongst ourselves.