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Moviefan-2

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They were right then and they're right now.
Is that so?

In June of 1989, the UN said there was "a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control." (emphasis added by me)

https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

If the UN was "right then," that means there is nothing politicians can do now that will affect the climate.

To be clear: If the UN was "right then," it means carbon taxes and other government policies are a complete waste of time that will achieve nothing. :)
 

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Barack Obama buys $11.7 million mansion in Martha’s Vineyard



Former President Obama and his family are now permanent homeowners on Martha’s Vineyard, after completing the purchase today of a large home situated on nearly 30 acres in the coastal perimeter of Edgartown.

The purchase price, recorded at 3:31 p.m. with the Registry of Deeds, is listed at $11.75 million. The buyer is a nominee trust representing the former First Family. The sellers are Wycliffe Grousbeck and Corinne Basler Grousbeck. Mr. Grousbeck is a private equity investor and owner of the Boston Celtics basketball team.

The sprawling 6,892-square-foot house at 79 Turkeyland Cove Road sits on 29.3 secluded acres fronting the Edgartown Great Pond between Slough Cove and Turkeyland Cove, with views of a barrier beach and the ocean beyond. Designed by Bradenburger Taylor Lombardo Architects in San Francisco, the home was built in 2001 by John Early, a well-known Island contractor.

Landvest was both the listing and selling broker for the sale; the principal brokers are Gerret Conover and Tom LeClair. Ronald Rappaport, a partner at Reynolds, Rappaport, Kaplan and Hackney, is listed as the attorney for the buyers, according to records at the Martha’s Vineyard Land Bank.

In 2016 former President Barack Obama said that he and his wife, managed to pay in full their student loans only one year prior to entering the White House. Here is the video of that. Fast forward to 2019, and seems that now the Obama’s are worth 40 plus more times than they entered the White House. Congratulations Mr. President! Only in a capitalist system and only in America you would have been able to thrive the way you did.



I'm guessing Obama is not so concerned with the 8-10 year predictions for major cities and coastal regions being underwater. weird huh?
 

Frankfooter

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Is that so?

In June of 1989, the UN said there was "a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control." (emphasis added by me)

https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

If the UN was "right then," that means there is nothing politicians can do now that will affect the climate.

To be clear: If the UN was "right then," it means carbon taxes and other government policies are a complete waste of time that will achieve nothing. :)
Considering you didn't think the world would even hit 0.83ºC its a bit rich that you think this future projection is wrong.
First, we know that you don't know what you are talking about and second, we've got 1ºC warming now and there is still warming coming from the lag even were we to stop right now.
You gonna predict that we'll never hit 0.83ºC again?
 

Frankfooter

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Barack Obama buys $11.7 million mansion in Martha’s Vineyard



Former President Obama and his family are now permanent homeowners on Martha’s Vineyard, after completing the purchase today of a large home situated on nearly 30 acres in the coastal perimeter of Edgartown.

The purchase price, recorded at 3:31 p.m. with the Registry of Deeds, is listed at $11.75 million. The buyer is a nominee trust representing the former First Family. The sellers are Wycliffe Grousbeck and Corinne Basler Grousbeck. Mr. Grousbeck is a private equity investor and owner of the Boston Celtics basketball team.

The sprawling 6,892-square-foot house at 79 Turkeyland Cove Road sits on 29.3 secluded acres fronting the Edgartown Great Pond between Slough Cove and Turkeyland Cove, with views of a barrier beach and the ocean beyond. Designed by Bradenburger Taylor Lombardo Architects in San Francisco, the home was built in 2001 by John Early, a well-known Island contractor.

Landvest was both the listing and selling broker for the sale; the principal brokers are Gerret Conover and Tom LeClair. Ronald Rappaport, a partner at Reynolds, Rappaport, Kaplan and Hackney, is listed as the attorney for the buyers, according to records at the Martha’s Vineyard Land Bank.

In 2016 former President Barack Obama said that he and his wife, managed to pay in full their student loans only one year prior to entering the White House. Here is the video of that. Fast forward to 2019, and seems that now the Obama’s are worth 40 plus more times than they entered the White House. Congratulations Mr. President! Only in a capitalist system and only in America you would have been able to thrive the way you did.



I'm guessing Obama is not so concerned with the 8-10 year predictions for major cities and coastal regions being underwater. weird huh?
I'm guessing you don't know how about sea level that property is.
 

Moviefan-2

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Considering you didn't think the world would even hit 0.83ºC its a bit rich that you think this future projection is wrong.
First, we know that you don't know what you are talking about and second, we've got 1ºC warming now and there is still warming coming from the lag even were we to stop right now.
You gonna predict that we'll never hit 0.83ºC again?
More evasions (mixed in with the usual Frankfooter bullshit about imaginary quotes from other TERB members).

Yes or no: In 2019, is climate change "beyond human control"?

We don't need all the verbiage and discredited bullshit. A simple yes or no answer is sufficient.
 

Frankfooter

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More evasions (mixed in with the usual Frankfooter bullshit about imaginary quotes from other TERB members).

Yes or no: In 2019, is climate change "beyond human control"?

We don't need all the verbiage and discredited bullshit. A simple yes or no answer is sufficient.
Humans have raised the global temperature by 1ºC already.
That is beyond our control, its done.

The Montreal Protocol was a success, not only did it save the ozone layer but it reduced global warming by 1ºF.
https://newatlas.com/environment/montreal-protocol-reduced-climate-change-effects/

That proves that international agreements work.
 

Moviefan-2

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Humans have raised the global temperature by 1ºC already.
That is beyond our control, its done.

The Montreal Protocol was a success, not only did it save the ozone layer but it reduced global warming by 1ºF.
https://newatlas.com/environment/montreal-protocol-reduced-climate-change-effects/

That proves that international agreements work.
Actually, your article on the Montreal Protocol says it "slowed" global warming -- that means the researchers are saying the increase wasn't as much as it could have been. The researchers don't say anything about warming being "reduced" (and the UN prediction from 1989 came after that protocol).

That said, the question was whether climate change is "beyond human control."

I assume from your post that your answer is 'no,' it isn't "beyond human control." Please confirm that I'm interpreting your position correctly.
 

Frankfooter

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Actually, your article on the Montreal Protocol says it "slowed" global warming -- that means the researchers are saying the increase wasn't as much as it could have been. The researchers don't say anything about warming being "reduced" (and the UN prediction from 1989 came after that protocol).

That said, the question was whether climate change is "beyond human control."

I assume from your post that your answer is 'no,' it isn't "beyond human control." Please confirm that I'm interpreting your position correctly.
The amount expected warming was reduced by 1ºF, as I said.
Obviously since we are talking about anthropogenic climate change we are talking about climate change caused by humans.
The only climate change that is 'beyond human control' is the 1ºC warming we've already given the planet.

Do you still claim the world will never hit 0.83ºC?
 

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Yes, the UN has been warning the world for 30 years.
Exxon and Imperial Oil both knew about the results, so Exxon spent $30 million on disinformation, so that the UN's warnings would be ineffective.
Now the planet is 1ºC warmer and likely to hit 1.5ºC with the amount of CO2 in the air now.
But if we finally listened to those warnings and implemented high carbon taxes we could likely slow the increase and limit it to levels that might not totally fuck the world up for humans.

Of course, you'd prefer to fuck the world up, as we know.
Either that, or you still don't think the world will hit 0.83ºC, as you claimed 4 years ago.

Its also worth checking on the status of Exxon's legal challenges.
They are being sued the same way the tobacco industry was, that lead to some big changes.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...n-children-california-cities-attorney-general
Exxon wins first-of-its-kind climate change case against New York



ExxonMobil won a first-of-its-kind climate change fraud trial on Tuesday as a judge rejected the state of New York's claim that the oil and gas giant misled investors in accounting for the financial risks of global warming.

New York Supreme Court Justice Barry Ostrager said the state failed to prove that Exxon violated the Martin Act, a broad state law that does not require proof of intent of shareholder fraud.

“The office of the Attorney General failed to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that ExxonMobil made any material misstatements or omissions about its practices and procedures that misled any reasonable investor,” Ostrager wrote in a 55-page ruling, deciding the case without a jury.

Exxon celebrated the ruling, saying it confirms their argument that addressing climate change is a shared global challenge better handled through public policy and that litigation threatens to undermine cooperation between the industry and policymakers.

"Today’s ruling affirms the position ExxonMobil has held throughout the New York Attorney General’s baseless investigation. We provided our investors with accurate information on the risks of climate change," Exxon said in a statement. "The court agreed that the Attorney General failed to make a case, even with the extremely low threshold of the Martin Act in its favor."

The result of the case was thought to be the likely outcome after New York surprisingly dropped two of its four claims against Exxon at the close of the three-week-long trial in early November.

New York Assistant Attorney General Jonathan Zweig announced during his closing statement that the state would no longer be claiming Exxon knowingly and willfully misled investors on how it accounts for the financial risks of climate change.

Instead of claiming common-law fraud, New York decided to commit to using the Martin Act to make its case, which does not require proof of intent to demonstrate fraud.

"Despite this decision, we will continue to fight to ensure companies are held responsible for actions that undermine and jeopardize the financial health and safety of Americans across our country, and we will continue to fight to end climate change," New York Attorney General Letitia James said in a statement.

The conclusion of New York’s lawsuit is the first in a series of court battles playing out related to climate change and the role of oil and gas companies.

New York's case took a different tack than other climate-related suits filed by cities and localities since 2017, so it's hard to read into what the result means for other cases. The Democratic-led state had been investigating Exxon for more than three years before filing the lawsuit in New York's Supreme Court, eventually narrowing its focus to look at the issue of shareholder fraud.

New York alleged that Exxon underrepresented the potential future costs to its business of climate regulations, deceiving investors about their true financial exposure.

Most of the other lawsuits against oil companies make public nuisance claims under state law, seeking compensation for the costs of adapting to droughts, wildfires, severe storms, and other effects of climate change.

The exception is Massachusetts, which sued in October alleging Exxon has misled investors and consumers, both about the risks the company faces from the transition to a low-carbon economy and about the actions the company is taking to clean up its portfolio.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...its-kind-climate-change-case-against-new-york
 

Frankfooter

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Exxon wins first-of-its-kind climate change case against New York
You shouldn't read much into this one.
The judge said it shouldn't be about investor fraud, that's all.

Judge Clears Exxon in Investor Fraud Case Over Climate Risk Disclosure
The judge excoriated the New York AG, but also said: 'nothing in this opinion is intended to absolve Exxon from responsibility for contributing to climate change.'

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/10122019/exxon-ruling-climate-investor-fraud-new-york-case-impact

Meanwhile:

Greenland's ice sheet melting seven times faster than in 1990s
Scale and speed of loss much higher than predicted, threatening inundation for hundreds of millions of people

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...heet-melting-seven-times-faster-than-in-1990s

Every cm of sea level rise creates 6 million more climate change refugees.
 

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canada-man

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The Club of Rome and beyond: How the socialist religion of environmentalism was born

The founding meeting of the Club occurred in 1968 at David Rockefeller’s estate in Bellagio, Italy. In their 1994 book “The First Global Revolution,” they declared:

“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
 

Moviefan-2

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In June of 1989, the UN said there was "a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control." (emphasis added by me)

https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0
The only climate change that is 'beyond human control' is the 1ºC warming we've already given the planet.
It's official! We can now include Frankfooter in the list of people who say the UN's June 1989 prediction was wrong.
 

Frankfooter

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It's official! We can now include Frankfooter in the list of people who say the UN's June 1989 prediction was wrong.
Hey moviefan, given that you claimed that we wouldn't even hit 0.83ºC in 2015, now that we're 30 years out of that prediction and have 1ºC warming in the planet, its totally fair to say that had we listened and acted to that warning in 1989 we likely would not have that 1ºC warming humans have given the planet.

Had we acted in 1989 we wouldn't be worrying about 4-6ºC warming by the end of the century.
 

Moviefan-2

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....we wouldn't be worrying about 4-6ºC warming by the end of the century.
"We"? :biggrin1:

In any event, it's still a matter of record that Frankfooter has conceded the 1989 prediction was wrong. That post has been duly bookmarked for future reference.
 

canada-man

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Anti-Immigration White Supremacy Has Deep Roots in the Environmental Movement
“Environmentalists were hardcore eugenicists.”

This story was originally published by the Guardian and is shared here as part of the Climate Desk collaboration.

The environmentalist, white nationalist, and influential anti-immigration activist John Tanton died less than three weeks before the El Paso shooting. Tanton lived to see his movement shape much of modern US immigration policy, but not this latest violent turn.

A hate-filled document allegedly linked to the man suspected of killing 22 people in El Paso on 3 August echoed the kind of rhetoric generally favored by the far right—and also had a decidedly environmentalist, Tanton-like bent. The document praised the Dr Seuss character the Lorax, who says he speaks for the trees, and complained about the unsustainable overuse of paper towels. It concluded that the best course of environmental action would be mass murder.

A week prior, on an Instagram account reportedly linked to the alleged Gilroy, California, garlic festival shooter, he complained about migrant-driven sprawl. Months before, the Christchurch, New Zealand, shooter called himself an “eco-fascist.”

Long before this violence, researchers warned of “the greening of hate.” From Tanton’s anti-immigration nonprofit network to some of today’s avowed environmentalists, across the political spectrum, overpopulation and immigration in particular has been blamed for environmental collapse for over 50 years.

Anti-immigrant ideology has been part and parcel of the whole of American conservationism since the first national park was founded, in part to protect wild yet white-owned nature from Mexicans and Native Americans. National purity and natural purity were inextricably linked.

The current rise of eco-minded white supremacy follows a direct line from the powerful attorney, conservationist and eugenicist Madison Grant—a friend of trees, Teddy Roosevelt, and the colonial superiority of white land stewardship. Grant, along with the influential naturalist John Muir and other early Anglo-Saxon conservationists, was critical in preserving the country’s wildlands for white enjoyment. Muir, who founded the Sierra Club environmental group in 1892, was disturbed by the “uncleanliness” of the Native Americans, whom he wanted removed from Yosemite. Grant successfully lobbied, in equal measure, for the creation of protected national parks and the restriction of immigration by non-whites.

“Environmentalists were hardcore eugenicists. They were as committed to racial thinking as they were to protecting the great redwoods in California,” said Heidi Beirich, intelligence project director at the Southern Poverty Law Center.

That eco-xenophobia resurfaced in the 1970s as overpopulation and resource depletion was deemed the pre-eminent challenge facing the planet at the dawn of the anthropocene.

Published in 1968, The Population Bomb, by the Stanford University biology professor Paul Ehrlich, predicted that overpopulation would fuel worldwide famine and global upheaval.

Much of what Ehrlich predicted did not come to pass, but the book proved hugely influential in the nascent environmental movement. Global population growth was soon conflated with US immigration growth, and both were blamed for the coming collapse of Spaceship Earth. This argument inspired generations of eco-nativists, and the most influential anti-immigration advocacy network currently operating in the US.

In 1979, Tanton, a local Sierra Club official, founded the “centrist/liberal” Federation for American Immigration Reform (Fair) to further advance the overpopulation-as-environmental-degradation cause. He went on to co-found the Center for Immigration Studies. Tanton, who warned of a “Latin onslaught” that would degrade America’s culture and lands, is widely regarded as the founder of the modern immigration reform movement.

While Tanton was establishing his right-leaning network of anti-immigration organizations, new ecologists on the left were coming to the same conclusions he did about the answer to growing environmental crisis. “Deep ecologists” in the 1980s and 1990s argued that humans were just one of many species, and often an invasive and destructive one. Activist David Orton argued that limiting immigration “from a maintenance of biodiversity perspective…has nothing to do with fascists.” The deep ecologist Dave Foreman was a co-founder of the radical wilderness collective Earth First! before the group forced him and his increasingly anti-immigration ideologyout.

By the late 90s, the anti-immigration issue reached a fever pitch within the US environmental movement. The Sierra Club had grown exponentially in the preceding decades, and “population control” had been part of its core platform. A nearly decade-long power struggle ensued for control over America’s pre-eminent conservation group, as new members attempted to move away from the overpopulation argument, while longtime Sierrans and those in Tanton’s circle pushed the group to maintain immigration control as a core tenet.

They ultimately lost the Sierra Club in the mid-2000s, but anti-immigration groups associated with Tanton didn’t give up on attempting to influence eco-minded progressives. They ran ads linking overpopulation and climate crisis in mainstream newspapers and progressive magazines, from the New York Times to the Nation.

more at

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...has-deep-roots-in-the-environmental-movement/
 

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The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has determined that a drought in Africa is the worst in century, and they know this because a guy in his 30s who sells tourist handicrafts told them so.




https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12...-a-trickle-amid-climate-change-fears/11777178

Here is the same story from 1950.




This actually happens every year this time of year.



https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Drought-Victoria-Falls-Climate-Story-Twist

Apparently 1992 may also have been more than a century ago.



https://www.newspapers.com/image/259833951/?terms="victoria+falls"+drought

Africa also had their worst drought in century in 1966, during the ice age scare.



https://www.newspapers.com/image/367609686/?terms=drought+africa
 
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