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Trump’s promise to foreign leader prompts whistleblower complaint – report

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Trump’s promise to foreign leader prompts whistleblower complaint – report

Details are unclear, but Washington Post reports intelligence official considers complaint ‘urgent concern’

Reuters

Wed 18 Sep 2019 22.15 EDT

Donald Trump’s promise to a foreign leader so troubled an official in the US intelligence community that it prompted the person to file a whistleblower complaint, the Washington Post reportedon Wednesday.

The Post, which cited two former officials familiar with the matter, said it was not immediately clear which foreign leader Trump was speaking with or what he pledged to deliver. The communication was a phone call, one former official said, according to the Post.

The intelligence community inspector general, Michael Atkinson, determined that the complaint was credible and troubling enough to be considered a matter of “urgent concern”, a legal threshold that requires notification of congressional oversight committees, the Post said.

But the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, has refused to share details about the complaint with lawmakers, the paper reported. Maguire has defended his refusal by asserting that the subject of the complaint is beyond his jurisdiction, it said.

Adam Schiff, the Democratic chair of the House intelligence committee, has sought to compel US intelligence officials to disclose the full details of the whistleblower complaint to Congress.

Atkinson is scheduled to appear at a closed hearing of the committee on Thursday morning and Maguire has agreed to testify before the panel in open session a week later, Schiff said in a statement.

“The IC IG determined that this complaint is both credible and urgent, and that it should be transmitted to Congress under the clear letter of the law. The committee places the highest importance on the protection of whistleblowers and their complaints to Congress,” the statement said.

The White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Representatives of the office of the director of national intelligence could not be reached.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/18/trump-foreign-leader-promise-whistleblower
 

mjg1

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No doubt it's Putin, Trump has to keep him happy so that Russian oligarchs money will keep flowing into the Trump crime family. Let's see how the white house(Trump) and A.G. Bill Barr will continue to cover up and hide this, while the GOP will do nothing about it. Laws and norms don't apply to King Trump, he is the law as America continues to degrade into a banana republic.
 

Frankfooter

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No doubt it's Putin, Trump has to keep him happy so that Russian oligarchs money will keep flowing into the Trump crime family. Let's see how the white house(Trump) and A.G. Bill Barr will continue to cover up and hide this, while the GOP will do nothing about it. Laws and norms don't apply to King Trump, he is the law as America continues to degrade into a banana republic.
It could also be MBS, Trump may also have massive loans through SA as well.
And he has already said he's waiting for their orders about whether or not to attack Iran.
 

toguy5252

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I think he may have offered to sell Eric in exchange for some hotel rites in Moscow. Apparently Putin didn't want him either.

The reality is that no one knows what transpired in this phone call.. It may be entirely innocent and until we know it would be prudent to tone down the rhetoric. The more troubling issue at the moment is that once again the Chosen One and the lackeys he calls cabinet officials are thwarting the constitutional oversight powers and responsibilities of the Congress.
 

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I think he may have offered to sell Eric in exchange for some hotel rites in Moscow. Apparently Putin didn't want him either.

The reality is that no one knows what transpired in this phone call.. It may be entirely innocent and until we know it would be prudent to tone down the rhetoric. The more troubling issue at the moment is that once again the Chosen One and the lackeys he calls cabinet officials are thwarting the constitutional oversight powers and responsibilities of the Congress.
I think "thwarting" is an overstatement, that suggest they are acting together and have a plan. If so, it would be a first for this Administration.
 

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Let's see what happens, if he made deals to further his own interests, time to get him out.
 

toguy5252

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Let's see what happens, if he made deals to further his own interests, time to get him out.
It may be semantics but claiming phony privileges, instructing parties to ignore subpoenas, refusing to hand over documents which oversight committees are entitled to, flouting the law and the constitution. That fits my definition of thwarting.
 

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This is another one where I would wait and see. This could be just another one of these disenchanted State dept. employees who is either making it up or embellishing. The House wouldn't treat this with care. They would be blabbering about this all over the press before it was investigated. And likely long after even if it was dismissed. This has been proven.
 

mjg1

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This is another one where I would wait and see. This could be just another one of these disenchanted State dept. employees who is either making it up or embellishing. The House wouldn't treat this with care. They would be blabbering about this all over the press before it was investigated. And likely long after even if it was dismissed. This has been proven.
If it is nothing why is the white house/A.G. Bill Barr blocking it from going to congress, the Trump cronies are doing this for a reason. The law requires the complaint go to congress, not the A.G. Bill Barr so he can sit on and block it from congress.
 

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If it is nothing why is the white house/A.G. Bill Barr blocking it from going to congress, the Trump cronies are doing this for a reason. The law requires the complaint go to congress, not the A.G. Bill Barr so he can sit on and block it from congress.
Do you really think secrets like this stay secret in Washington?

My guess is this is probably not as juicy as some people's imaginations have conjured up. I offered the very real possibility they don't want Adam Schiff leaking and incessantly blabbering about something under investigation.
 

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Do you really think secrets like this stay secret in Washington?

My guess is this is probably not as juicy as some people's imaginations have conjured up. I offered the very real possibility they don't want Adam Schiff leaking and incessantly blabbering about something under investigation.
Then why break the law to keep it secret?
 

mjg1

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Do you really think secrets like this stay secret in Washington?

My guess is this is probably not as juicy as some people's imaginations have conjured up. I offered the very real possibility they don't want Adam Schiff leaking and incessantly blabbering about something under investigation.
It's not being investigated, it goes to congress by law to be investigated. It well maybe much ado about nothing, but then why is the Trump white house blocking it and tried to cover it up. The compliant is about Trump, Trump cannot investigate himself............when checks and balances actually mattered.
 

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LOL!!! It's within the enumerated powers of the President to conduct international relations pretty much any way he sees it fit. It is up to the Senate to approve or reject any treaties the President makes. Any President has a lot of freedom in those matters and the House cannot second guess him unless the issue is clearly spelled out as a matter for the Congressional approval. Separations of powers, boys and girls. The first clue that this is a bullshit story is the instant involvement of Rep. Shiff who still has not produced the proof of collusion despite assuring everyone that he has it.
 

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LOL!!! It's within the enumerated powers of the President to conduct international relations pretty much any way he sees it fit. It is up to the Senate to approve or reject any treaties the President makes. Any President has a lot of freedom in those matters and the House cannot second guess him unless the issue is clearly spelled out as a matter for the Congressional approval. Separations of powers, boys and girls. The first clue that this is a bullshit story is the instant involvement of Rep. Shiff who still has not produced the proof of collusion despite assuring everyone that he has it.
And that has what to do with the Congresses constitutional oversight powers and responsibility?
 

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And that has what to do with the Congresses constitutional oversight powers and responsibility?
ROFLMAO! Do you even know what ,oversight" mean?
 

WyattEarp

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ROFLMAO! Do you even know what ,oversight" mean?
I heard Rachel Maddow and Chris Cuomo talking about "oversight". OMG, it sounded like a big scandal.

It sounds like the nothing burger is starting to cook around the edges. It seems like Congressional members from both parties are trying to temper liberal media expectations.

I actually heard this story for the first time right here and thought it was disenchanted State dept. employee who doesn't agree with the President's direction. It sounds like that's what might be the issue. As jcpro has pointed out, the President has a lot of discretion to conduct foreign policy and they're probably looking at the complaint to see if it's legitimate or simple an employee with an axe to grind.

And yes, Adam Schiff is a partisan boob. This is part of the reason he isn't brought into the loop immediately.
 

mjg1

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It's being reported that the country was Ukraine. Trump probably told Ukraine that he was going withhold the 250 million dollar military aid, unless Ukraine gave him some dirt/info on Joe Biden and his son for the 2020 election. That money was held up until some backlash came from congress including some in the GOP, it was released suddenly on Sept. 12.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-administration-releases-delayed-aid-ukraine/
 

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It may be semantics but claiming phony privileges, instructing parties to ignore subpoenas, refusing to hand over documents which oversight committees are entitled to, flouting the law and the constitution. That fits my definition of thwarting.
Thwarting is not illegal as far as I know and expect him to do it because they have been out to get him since he won, he feels they have a vendetta against him and he will make it as difficult for them as he possibly can. He can make deals with any country he wants as long as there is nothing illegal about it. If there was something illegal then that should be dealt with. It could be something, might be nothing, I'm sure we will find out soon.
 
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