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Greta Thunberg to Congress: ‘You’re not trying hard enough. Sorry’

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Greta Thunberg to Congress: ‘You’re not trying hard enough. Sorry’

The Swedish environmentalist was one of several who spoke at a Senate climate crisis task force​


At a meeting of the Senate climate crisis task force on Tuesday, lawmakers praised a group of young activists for their leadership, their gumption and their display of wisdom far beyond their years. They then asked the teens for advice on how Congress might combat one of the most urgent and politically contentious threats confronting world leaders: climate change.

Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old Swedish activist who has galvanized young people across the world to strike for more action to combat the impact of global warming, politely reminded them that she was a student, not a scientist – or a senator.

“Please save your praise. We don’t want it,” she said. “Don’t invite us here to just tell us how inspiring we are without actually doing anything about it because it doesn’t lead to anything.

“If you want advice for what you should do, invite scientists, ask scientists for their expertise. We don’t want to be heard. We want the science to be heard.”

In remarks meant for Congress as a whole, she said: “I know you are trying but just not hard enough. Sorry.”

The audience laughed. Supporters broke into applause. Senator Ed Markey, the Massachusetts Democrat who co-sponsored the Green New Deal and leads the Senate task force, was perhaps surprised by her bluntness. But he smiled.

Seated at the table with the teens were some of the most sympathetic and vocal supporters of bold action on climate change in Congress. But facing a Republican-controlled Senate and a hostile White House, the prospect of enacting reforms at the scale and scope called for by activists – and many scientists – is bleak.

“We need your leadership,” he told Thunberg. “Young people are the army politically, which has arrived in the United States. You put a spotlight on this issue in a way that it has never been before. And that is creating a new X factor.”

Still, Markey vowed to try: “We hear you. We hear what you’re saying and we will redouble our efforts.”

Thunberg was one of several youth activists invited to address the task force during two days of action and speeches aimed at urging lawmakers to support “transformative climate action”. She was joined by activists from across the US and South America, part of a “multiracial, intergenerational” effort to combat climate change.

The meetings and speeches in Washington are intended to raise awareness ahead of a global climate strike on Friday in which students and workers will walk out of schools and offices to pressure their governments to act as world leaders gather in New York for the annual United Nations summit.

Nadia Nazar, co founder of Zero Hour, speaks to the media on 17 September in Washington DC. Photograph: Eric Baradat/AFP/Getty Images
“The generation of the Green New Deal will not only survive but we will thrive,” said Nadia Nazar, co-founder of the advocacy group Zero Hour, at a news conference earlier on Tuesday.

“We will no longer be known as the kids fighting the apocalypse. We will be known as the solution to the climate crisis.”

In the US, support for sweeping action on climate change is polarized. Many Republicans – among them Donald Trump – are still openly skeptical of the science behind global warming. Republican leaders have mocked Democrats for introducing a Green New Deal and have used the proposal as a cudgel against lawmakers and presidential candidates.

The Green New Deal is an ambitious 14-page resolution that calls for a “10-year national mobilization” that would eliminate the nation’s emissions in one decade. Scientists say limiting warming to 1.5C would require cutting manmade carbon levels by 45% by 2030 and reaching net zero around 2050.

Markey said their movement is shifting the political landscape. The senator pointed to the 2020 presidential debates as evidence of what has changed. Candidates are being asked about climate change and pushed to introduce plans to combat global warming. This is in stark contrast to 2016.

“What has happened? You have happened,” he told the activists. “You are giving this extra level of energy to the political process that is absolutely changing the dynamics of politics in the United States.”

The 2020 election, Markey said, will in many ways be a “referendum on climate change”.

Thunberg arrived in the US after crossing the Atlantic on a solar-powered yacht. She rose to international prominence after launching “Fridays for Future”: student-led strikes that have spread to 135 countries. She has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

On Monday, she met Barack Obama. The former president shared a photo from their meeting, in which he praised Thunberg as “one of our planet’s greatest advocates” and someone who is “unafraid to push for real action”.

Just 16, @GretaThunberg is already one of our planet’s greatest advocates. Recognizing that her generation will bear the brunt of climate change, she’s unafraid to push for real action. She embodies our vision at the @ObamaFoundation: A future shaped by young leaders like her. pic.twitter.com/VgCPAaDp3C

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) September 17, 2019
Later on Tuesday, the group was scheduled to meet Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is a co-sponsor of the Green New Deal in the House.

On Wednesday, Thunberg will deliver what has been billed as a “major address” to members of Congress.
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This kid is impressive!
 

bver_hunter

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Yes, she really is impressive in spite of being autistic. That is why the right wingers just cannot stand her, and post a lot of online hate tweets etc. against Greta Thunberg. Very sad indeed!!
 

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Yes, she really is impressive in spite of being autistic. That is why the right wingers just cannot stand her, and post a lot of online hate tweets etc. against Greta Thunberg. Very sad indeed!!
Wow! I didn’t know she was autistic.

I actually don’t know very much about her. I had heard about this girl who had sailed across the ocean but didn’t know much else about her. This article caught my eye, though.
 

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This kid is impressive!
How much of your monthly gasoline usage is
to be cut in the coming month having been
impressed by that little prick? 1%?

On a personal note I am the environmentally conscious
type. I travel out of town in the vicinity of GTA mostly
by Go transit. If public transit is not feasible I commute
by ride-sharing as much as I can. I don't shame those
who are not sharing my preference though.
 

Knuckle Ball

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How much of your monthly gasoline usage is
to be cut in the coming month having been
impressed by that little prick? 1%?

On a personal note I am the environmentally conscious
type. I travel out of town in the vicinity of GTA mostly
by Go transit. If public transit is not feasible I commute
by ride-sharing as much as I can. I don't shame those
who are not sharing my preference though.
She delivers her message very effectively. She is known for her bluntness...She doesn’t care whether you like it or not...She will make you pay attention!
 

Knuckle Ball

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Why are you “proud” of Canadian oil and gas? It’s fortunate that we happen to have oil and gas reserves in Canada but the fact that they exist is not exactly any great achievement on our part.

By your logic, the Saudis are even better than us and have even more to be “proud” of because their oil and gas reserves are bigger than ours! So you think Muslim culture is better than ours. You sound like a subversive, unpatriotic citizen (if you are even here legally...hmmmmmmmm)
 

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She delivers her message very effectively. She is known for her bluntness...She doesn’t care whether you like it or not...She will make you pay attention!
In this age of internet and social media people
often couldn't help paying attention to attention seekers.
And I must admit I too have been distracted by myriads
of obnoxious individuals who made it to the spotlight
though not for long.

For her message to be truly effective it has to elicit a
response with more substance than calling her publicity stunt impressive. It means nothing if your own contribution to climate change carries on as usual.

Good to know she doesn't care whether people like
her or not. Hope her fans heed this before they come
to her defence for her next cross-Atlantic yacht trip.
She will be mocked and ridiculed again.
 

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She should go to China and India, that’s where the heavy lifting needs to happen.
 

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She delivers her message very effectively. She is known for her bluntness...She doesn’t care whether you like it or not...She will make you pay attention!
her message?????
You must be kidding?
Can you not recognise when someone is using a child like a pawn to sway a very complex and important adult decision?


Ask her what is the most important Greenhouse Gas
She will say carbon or CO2
The answer is water vapour

Ask her how many people will die if developing nations are deprived of inexpensive energy
Ask her how much copper is required to completely switch to electric vehicles & then ask her is that much copper exists in the planet

She is a child & her mission is play on your emotions instead of thinking rationally and objectively
Based upon your post, it appears she and her adult puppet masters are succeeding
 

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Ask her what is the most important Greenhouse Gas
She will say carbon or CO2
The answer is water vapour
Fake news from you, as usual:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/greenhouse-gases.php#h2o

"while we have good atmospheric measurements of other key greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane, we have poor measurements of global water vapor, so it is not certain by how much atmospheric concentrations have risen in recent decades or centuries"
 

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Fake news from you, as usual:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/greenhouse-gases.php#h2o

"while we have good atmospheric measurements of other key greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane, we have poor measurements of global water vapor, so it is not certain by how much atmospheric concentrations have risen in recent decades or centuries"
What are you implying by that?
"That water vapour does not dominate the greenhouse gas effect?"
Wrong
Ask any honest climate scientist & be very specific when asking

So NOAA says they have poor measurements of global water vapour
All the more reason not to trust their climate models


https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/stories/nasa-knows/what-are-clouds-k4.html
How Do Clouds Form?
The sky can be full of water. But most of the time you can't see the water. The drops of water are too small to see. They have turned into a gas called water vapor. As the water vapor goes higher in the sky, the air gets cooler. The cooler air causes the water droplets to start to stick to things like bits of dust, ice or sea salt.

Co2 is 0.04% (400 ppm)
Water vapour is approx 4%. It varies with location yes as does humidity, but it is still the most important greenhouse gas by far
http://www.ice-age-ahead-iaa.ca/scrp/tnga020.htm

CO2 effect is masked by water vapor
While CO2 does play a role in absorbing the out-going radiated energy, the CO2 effect is there too masked by the absorbing effect of water vapor so that it remains minuscule and of no practical significance whatsoever. Much of the out-going radiation is re-absorbed anyway, so that the total effect is slow-acting and spread out over days. The greenhouse is thereby maintained over long periods.

The 'long-term' heat retention is affected almost exclusively by water vapor. The atmosphere contains 13,000 billion tons of water, and only 900 billion tons of CO2, which itself has a 10-fold lower absorption coefficient than water.


I do not care for the fake news accusation
I choose my words very carefully
Back your accusation up & learn some physics
 

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her message?????
You must be kidding?
Can you not recognise when someone is using a child like a pawn to sway a very complex and important adult decision?


Ask her what is the most important Greenhouse Gas
She will say carbon or CO2
The answer is water vapour
She's smarter than you, she understands that water vapour is a feedback effect while CO2 is a forcing effect on the climate.
You still don't get it.

And its incredibly basic.
 

Frankfooter

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What are you implying by that?
"That water vapour does not dominate the greenhouse gas effect?"
Wrong
Ask any honest climate scientist & be very specific when asking

So NOAA says they have poor measurements of global water vapour
All the more reason not to trust their climate models


https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/stories/nasa-knows/what-are-clouds-k4.html



Co2 is 0.04% (400 ppm)
Water vapour is approx 4%. It varies with location yes as does humidity, but it is still the most important greenhouse gas by far
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Same basic mistake as larue.
Add more heat to the atmosphere and it'll absorb more water vapour.
Add too much and it turns to rain and is gone from the atmosphere.
Add more water vapour and it doesn't increase heat, its a temporary effect that turns into rain.

Add more CO2 to the atmosphere and the temperature starts going up as it traps heat.

Its a big difference.
Feeback vs Forcing.

Do some basic research.

 

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GTA & Thereabouts...
She seems like she's being driven like a car; told what to say... It makes sense to do your best to limit your impact on the environment, but stupid to ignore the importance of the Oil & Gas industry. Electric vehicles or not, all moving parts will require grease for their bearings.
 

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She seems like she's being driven like a car; told what to say... It makes sense to do your best to limit your impact on the environment, but stupid to ignore the importance of the Oil & Gas industry. Electric vehicles or not, all moving parts will require grease for their bearings.
Actually carbon molecules are the slippy bits, and they can be found in lotsa forms other than petroleum. No one with good sense is saying we can eliminate carbon or should. But we gotta stop dumping massive amounts of it into the environment as if there's never going to be a bill to pay.

We're facing the XXIC version of learning why you don't shit in your own nest. At this point in history most thoughtful people know there's only one nest, and we're all in it together. The only issue is: How bad will things be, when that finally becomes real to everyone else?
 

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEymFJvX4AAgdMT?format=png&name=small


I like the map. Kinda makes makes Greenland look right in the middle of things, as the Arctic opens up and goes … , well, … goes Green. And we also note most of the declines in chlorophyl areas are in the south (but do check Labrador and west along the tree/muskeg-line), where most folks were already poor. Makes walking north look like a good idea doesn't it?
 

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her message?????
You must be kidding?
Can you not recognise when someone is using a child like a pawn to sway a very complex and important adult decision?


Ask her what is the most important Greenhouse Gas
She will say carbon or CO2
The answer is water vapour


Ask her how many people will die if developing nations are deprived of inexpensive energy
Ask her how much copper is required to completely switch to electric vehicles & then ask her is that much copper exists in the planet

She is a child & her mission is play on your emotions instead of thinking rationally and objectively
Based upon your post, it appears she and her adult puppet masters are succeeding
Ahhhhhhhhh....So carbon dioxide is NOT the problem. What we need to do is rid the planet of its water!

Brilliant! You should go to the next climate change conference and explain this to everyone.

:rofl:
 

JohnLarue

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She's smarter than you, she understands that water vapour is a feedback effect while CO2 is a forcing effect on the climate.
You still don't get it.

And its incredibly basic.
You do not have a clue what you are talking about
Water vapour is not a feedback effect. Water is the primary greenhouse gas & the reason the planet is not a frozen ball of uninhabitable rock.
Water is also a noun. Nouns are not effects

learn some physics
 
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