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Omar: Vetting Immigrants Political Views is Fascist

WyattEarp

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I'm curious what some of you think. I would particularly like to hear from those who have voiced strong opinions that current vetting practices are adequate. I just want to get your take.

I'm not sure I can agree with Ilhan Omar. Having anti-American views on your social media might be reason enough for prohibiting immigration into the U.S? Why do want to come here? Why do we need someone who is dissatisfied with our country? Do potential immigrants have the same rights to free speech as citizens?

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/10/ilhan-omar-fascism-in-action/
 

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I'm curious what some of you think. I would particularly like to hear from those who have voiced strong opinions that current vetting practices are adequate. I just want to get your take.

I'm not sure I can agree with Ilhan Omar. Having anti-American views on your social media might be reason enough for prohibiting immigration into the U.S? Why do want to come here? Why do we need someone who is dissatisfied with our country? Do potential immigrants have the same rights to free speech as citizens?

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/10/ilhan-omar-fascism-in-action/
Sure, and Canada should only allow pro-Trudeau immigrants, right?
 

Knuckle Ball

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Do they award extra points for owning a MAGA hat, a pick up truck with a trump sticker, or an assault rifle?
 

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I'm curious what some of you think. I would particularly like to hear from those who have voiced strong opinions that current vetting practices are adequate. I just want to get your take.

I'm not sure I can agree with Ilhan Omar. Having anti-American views on your social media might be reason enough for prohibiting immigration into the U.S? Why do want to come here? Why do we need someone who is dissatisfied with our country? Do potential immigrants have the same rights to free speech as citizens?

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/10/ilhan-omar-fascism-in-action/
There was a recent time when political vetting was limited to just two items, at least officially and on record: 1) Does this person advocate the forceful overthrow of the government of the United States 2) Is this person bound by any oath or act of loyalty to any foreign prince or state?

I see little if any reason to subject prospective immigrants to any proscriptions more restrictive. Although it is clear that the world of cell-phones, computers, and the internet present the authorities with a lot more challenges and a wider range of things to examine to determine the answers to those questions and make their judgments, that's just stuff. The principles are fine.

Unless the United States is already perfect and beyond improvement, it needs people dissatisfied with it as they find it, in order to make it better. Making it better was why a bunch of dissatisfied recent immigrants threw the British Tea into the harbour and invented the whole damn thing in the first place. Except for the few crooks and crazies — who we shall always have with us — making it better is why everyone immigrates, and sometimes that extends to what they find when they arrive. We should be grateful, not fearful.

I can't see any moral logic or practical purpose in depriving new arrivals of the basic rights your Constitution and Declaration of Independence say are the inalienable right of every person born. But that sort of hypocrisy would certainly be yet another thing for native Americans (not to mention Native Americans who were cheated and robbed of a continent by immigrants) to be dissatisfied about. As so many have so loudly been saying since the middle of the last century.

Before enacting anything restrictive, at the border or elsewhere it's always worth contemplating how the folks on the other side might use that tool, if and when they won. Because one day, another side always does.
 

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This is the Omar that said : "some people did something" referring to the 9/11 massacre
 

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If you're dissatisfied with the country, why would you go there? One poster said to make it better. Why don't you stay in your country of origin and make it better. If your ultimate goal is to makes things better why don't you do it in your native land.
 

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Do you need a tissue?
No Conway...but me and most Canadians know how to show respect for the 3500 US citizens killed in 9/11...while you and that scrofa don't know what that means. Much better if you and your paesana go back where you came from, you'll be happy there.
 

WyattEarp

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Clearly the vetting with her wasn't fascist enough...
That's funny.

I think she had refugee status. I personally think she has some wacky views on the UN effort to help Somalians in a chaotic country run by warlords. It's easy for her to romanticize things from the comfort of America 8,000 miles away.
 

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Sure, and Canada should only allow pro-Trudeau immigrants, right?
What a stupid comparison.

If a potential immigrant expressed a desire to harm or damage the country they are applying to, it is perfectly reasonable to deny them. But it all comes down to how it is implemented. People like Trump would try to claim opposition to him was disqualifying.

I believe the case that sparked the discussion was someone being rejected for a visa because what one of the people in their social media circles posted which is clearly stupid. If it was normal, we could all be banned from the US for being on the same board as franky.
 

WyattEarp

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Well, did Canada grant you status?
FF, you recently told me you represent "Canadian Values". Do you really think Omar Ilhan represents Canadian or American values?

I do not. I don't think she is a good voice for the liberal party in my country. Why can't we just consider her a far backbencher with extreme views?
 

WyattEarp

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There was a recent time when political vetting was limited to just two items, at least officially and on record: 1) Does this person advocate the forceful overthrow of the government of the United States 2) Is this person bound by any oath or act of loyalty to any foreign prince or state?.
I'm fine with this. However if a prospective immigrant is on social media advocating and bound by the above, you should be denied. Many of us believe that is "vetting".

I don't think the federal bureaucrats are looking for immigrants who are only Trump supporters. There is no Trumpian movement that will last after he leaves office.
 

Frankfooter

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FF, you recently told me you represent "Canadian Values"
Yup.

For example, 91% believe that sanctions are a reasonable way to censure countries which violate human rights and international law. Two-thirds (66%) of respondents view government sanctions specifically on Israel as “reasonable.”

“Even higher proportions of Liberals (75%), NDP supporters (84%) and Bloc supporters (94%) think sanctions on Israel are reasonable,” said Diana Ralph of Independent Jewish Voices Canada (IJV). “Only the Conservatives tended to reject sanctions on Israel. But even among them, almost one-third (30%) think sanctions on Israel are reasonable.”

Seventy-eight percent of Canadians said they believe the Palestinians’ call for a boycott is “reasonable.” Ralph added, “It is striking that a majority of Jewish respondents also thought the Palestinian call for a boycott of Israel was reasonable.”
https://ijvcanada.org/2017/poll-on-bds/

Most Canadians think BDS, which Ilhan supports, are reasonable.
How many Canadians do you think support apartheid?
 

WyattEarp

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Unless the United States is already perfect and beyond improvement, it needs people dissatisfied with it as they find it, in order to make it better. Making it better was why a bunch of dissatisfied recent immigrants threw the British Tea into the harbour and invented the whole damn thing in the first place. Except for the few crooks and crazies — who we shall always have with us — making it better is why everyone immigrates, and sometimes that extends to what they find when they arrive. We should be grateful, not fearful.
I'm going to disagree with you on this one. The United States has always welcomed immigrants who have rejected the countries they have come from whether there were subtle differences or extreme differences with American Democratic values. In fact, the U.S. had until recently required new immigrants to renounce their other citizenship.

I think the United States (and Canada) have big, inseparable differences in values with much of the Middle East.
 
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