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    Thumbs down Liberals (Trudeau) block RCMP investigation of SNC Lavalin

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...valin-inquiry/

    Ha ha ha the very day the 2019 Federal election campaign begins.
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    The Globe just doesn't like Justin. I think it's personal.
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    DING DING DING !!! Think about it October 21

    RCMP were blocked from fully investigating Trudeau's office on SNC obstruction claims

    We now have it confirmed: The RCMP have been investigating the possibility that someone in the Trudeau government obstructed justice in the SNC-Lavalin case.

    The news was revealed in a bombshell report by the Globe and Mail issued less than 12 hours before Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was to visit Rideau Hall and kick off the 2019 election.

    This isn’t a matter of speculation or partisan spin. This isn’t something that Liberal supporters can dismiss as people inventing a scandal where there is none. We know the RCMP have been looking into the matter because they have been interviewing people involved in the case and seeking documents.

    And the government has blocked them from doing so.

    That is the shocking part.

    The Clerk of the Privy Council has determined that cabinet confidence is more important than a police investigation into obstruction of justice in a case involving corruption. Ian Shugart, the clerk, invoked cabinet confidence to block the Mounties from talking to people.

    That was confirmed to the Globe not only by a spokesman for the justice department but also a spokesman for Trudeau himself.
    Ian MacLeod, the spokesman for justice, told the Globe the decision not to give a broader waiver for cabinet confidence “was made solely by the Clerk of the Privy Council as guardian of cabinet confidences.” Trudeau’s spokesman, Cameron Ahmad, told the paper that the PMO had no role in the decision.

    Except they did, they backed it up.

    Here is a simple fact, the PM could waive this issue of cabinet confidence and allow people to speak freely to the police if he is so convinced that no crime has been committed.

    He won’t though.

    Trudeau supported blocking nine different witnesses from giving full testimony to the ethics commissioner and the refusal to turn over documents for that investigation. He’s now backed up the decision to block the RCMP.
    Essentially Trudeau is supporting the obstruction of an investigation into obstruction of justice.

    No doubt the PM will be asked about this and once again invoke his support for our democratic institutions and the rule of law. Yet it is those very things that Trudeau is mocking by blocking a House of Commons committee, the ethics commissioner and now the RCMP from fully investigating this matter.

    On that cold February morning when Trudeau first faced questions on the SNC-Lavalin scandal, I stood there in a commuter parking lot just feet away from him as he denied the story completely.

    Since then, as new elements have come out, as the original story was confirmed, Trudeau has changed his own story of what happened. When that didn’t work with the public, he started using his power to shut down every attempt to examine the facts in this matter.

    Shutting down the House of Commons committee can be dismissed as partisan politics. Denying the ethics commissioner full access to witnesses and documents was wrong and petulant.

    But blocking the RCMP is Putinesque.

    According to the Globe, the RCMP will put any examination of this issue on hold during the election. If Trudeau wins on Oct. 21, the Mounties will be blocked from investigating permanently.

    Do Canadians want a system where the PM and his office are above the law?

    We know Trudeau does, he’s told us that with his actions. On Oct. 21 we will find out what Canadians think.

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...ruction-claims

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    And here's why:


    "If the RCMP comes in, ‘we’re cooked’ in the upcoming election", say some worried Liberal MPs

    Some Liberal MPs say they are considering not using Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s name or image in their election campaign material.



    https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/08/19...ral-mps/211962


    Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion found Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in breach of ethics laws in his damning report issued last week, but Mr. Trudeau—pictured in the House of Commons earlier this year—told reporters he has nothing to apologize for regarding the SNC-Lavalin scandal. The Hill Times photograph by Andrew Meade

    An RCMP investigation into the SNC-Lavalin affair would “kill” the Liberal party’s re-election chances in the upcoming campaign if it were to become known to the public, say some Liberals, speaking in the days after Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion issued a report that said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had broken the law spelled out in the Conflict of Interest Act.

    Some Liberals said they are already considering dropping Mr. Trudeau’s name or image from their campaign material, because of a significant drop in the prime minister’s personal approval rating in public opinion polls.

    “Perception is reality,” said one of the Liberal MPs in an interview with The Hill Times on a not-for-attribution basis.

    “If the RCMP comes in, we’re cooked.”

    Mr. Trudeau’s approval rating has sunk from 41 per cent in November to 33 per cent this month, while Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer’s (Regina-Qu’Appelle, Sask.) rating has held at 29 per cent, according to polls by Campaign Research. CBC News’ poll aggregator put Mr. Trudeau’s approval rating at 33 per cent, slightly ahead of Mr. Scheer at 31.

    According to a Nanos poll that came out on Aug. 13, 31.4 per cent of Canadians mentioned Mr. Trudeau as their preferred prime minister, compared to the 12-month high when 43.1 per cent indicated the Liberal leader was their preferred prime minister.

    Liberal MPs said they’re not worried that Prime Minister Trudeau (Papineau, Que.) or any of his senior staff had done anything illegal, but instead are concerned about the potential perception and fallout from the scandal. They said the next election is only eight weeks away, and if the RCMP were to start an investigation, that on its own—regardless of the result—could give the impression to Canadians that the government did something wrong.

    MPs referred to the 2006 election campaign as an example. That year an RCMP investigation into the “income trust affair” derailed the Liberal campaign and arguably helped Stephen Harper’s Conservatives win the election. At the time, the Mounties investigated the allegation that some senior Liberals had tipped off their Bay Street friends about then-prime minister Paul Martin cabinet’s decisions on tax policy changes on income trusts. The investigation started during the campaign and continued until after the election. It did not result in any charge against any cabinet minister or political staffer, but the damage was done during the campaign.

    The RCMP usually never confirms or denies if it is undertaking any investigation unless they file charges. But, in 2005, on the direction of then-commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli, the RCMP wrote a letter to then-NDP MP Judy Wasylycia-Leis that said the federal police force had started an investigation. Ms. Wasylycial-Leis had earlier sent a letter to the Mounties requesting an investigation into the controversy.

    Now, Liberals are worried about ethics watchdog Mario Dion’s scathing report from last week into the SNC-Lavalin affair, which found Mr. Trudeau in breach of conflict of interest laws. The report found that the prime minister and his senior staff inappropriately pressured then-justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould (Vancouver-Granville, B.C.) to grant a remediation agreement for the Montreal engineering giant. This is the second time in the government’s four-year mandate that Mr. Trudeau has been found guilty of breaking ethics laws. In 2017, the then-ethics commissioner determined that Mr. Trudeau broke ethics laws when he, his family, and close friends vacationed at the Aga Khan’s Bahamian island without paying their own way.

    Mr. Dion began the SNC-Lavalin investigation in February. He focused on determining whether Mr. Trudeau had “sought to influence the decision of the [attorney general]” and whether Mr. Trudeau aimed to “improperly further the interests of SNC-Lavalin.” The report concluded that he was guilty of both, placing him in contravention of section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act.

    The final report, which was released on Wednesday, concluded that “Mr. Trudeau used his position of authority over Ms. Wilson-Raybould to seek to influence, both directly and indirectly, her decision on whether she should overrule the Director of Public Prosecutions’ decision not to invite SNC-Lavalin to enter into negotiations towards a remediation agreement.”

    After the report came out, Mr. Trudeau said he took responsibility for the way the controversy was handled, but added he did his job to protect Canadians’ jobs, and has nothing to apologize for.

    “I’m not going to apologize for standing up for Canadians jobs. That’s my job,” Mr. Trudeau told reporters.

    Ms. Wilson-Raybould told CBC News last week that she had been contacted by the RCMP about the SNC-Lavalin affair last spring.

    “The RCMP is examining this matter carefully with all available information and will take appropriate actions as required,” said RCMP media relations in an email to The Hill Times. “It would be inappropriate for us to provide anymore comments on this matter at this time.”

    Mr. Scheer told reporters last week, after Mr. Dion issued his report, that he believed there was more than enough evidence for the RCMP to investigate the matter.

    The SNC-Lavalin scandal is the most serious controversy that the Trudeau Liberals have faced in their mandate. The Globe and Mail broke the story first in February, and the governing party suffered a major drop in support nationally in subsequent months. Some polls had the Liberals behind the Conservatives by double digits at one point. In recent weeks, however, Liberal support had recovered, and both parties were running neck and neck in public opinion polls. It remains to be seen how much damage the ethics commissioner’s report causes in the coming days.

    Some MPs won’t use Trudeau’s name, picture in campaign
    Mr. Trudeau’s personal approval numbers have gone down since his 2015 election victory, likely at least in part due to a number of controversies broken promises from the 2015 election campaign. The damage done by the SNC-Lavalin affair has been the most significant. As a consequence, some Liberal MPs told The Hill Times they are considering not using Mr. Trudeau’s image or name on their campaign material. These MPs said when they go door knocking, some of their constituents tell them they don’t like the prime minister, but would vote for the local MP.

    “Some are not going to use Trudeau’s name or picture in their campaign material,” said a second Liberal MP who also spoke on not-for-attribution basis.

    Liberal MP Wayne Long (Saint John-Rothesay, N.B.), who made headlines in February after breaking from the rest of the party and calling for an independent inquiry into allegations surrounding the SNC-Lavalin affair, said he hopes that the report leads to “more openness and transparency in government” and that Ottawa can “make the proper corrections and put the proper safeguards or firewalls in where ministers don’t feel they’re under undue influence and we can move forward.”

    Regarding the upcoming election, Mr. Long said it’s up to Canadians to look at the report and judge accordingly.

    “I have great faith that Canadians will do the right thing and elect our government,” he said. “I stood up for my constituents, I know my constituents are satisfied that I did the right thing by calling for more openness and transparency. And now we’re to a point where, this report is critical of things that happened, and we need to respond.”

    Meanwhile, pundits and political insiders agreed that a potential RCMP investigation would be politically dangerous for the Liberals in their re-election campaign, with the election only two months away.

    Eli Yufest, CEO of Campaign Research, thinks that an RCMP investigation could “prolong the controversy well into the election and help reinforce the notion that the Liberals and Prime Minster Trudeau can’t be trusted and are not honest with Canadians.”

    “It won’t help,” agreed Tim Powers, vice-chair of Summa Strategies, and a Conservative political insider. “Every time this story is in the news, it’s not helpful to the government. Every time you’re explaining bad behaviour or a mistake, you’re showing you’re flawed. While people will accept, to a certain degree, flaws, they’re not necessarily going to want to continue to hear about how sorry you are, but nothing changes.”

    Pollster Nik Nanos of Nanos Research cited the fallout that the Liberals suffered in 2006 as a result of the criminal investigation, in an interview with The Hill Times.

    “A possible RCMP investigation on the SNC-Lavalin controversy significantly escalates the risk to Justin Trudeau and the Liberals,” he said. “Back in 2006, the then-Liberal Martin government was fighting for its life. Nanos tracking during the 2006 election suggested that the announcement by the RCMP at that time had a materially negative impact on Liberal election fortunes.”

    Mr. Nanos said that the release of the ethics commissioner’s report just two months before the election was a “body hit” to the Liberals, and like a “Christmas present” to the Conservatives, which are currently locked in a tight battle with the Grits in the polls.

    Mr. Powers and Mr. Yufest agreed that the scandal is most likely to hurt the Liberals the most in Ontario, where the Liberals are finally beginning to bounce back in the polls after taking a hit in February when the scandal first became public.


    Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion released his report on the SNC-Lavalin investigation last week. He said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau broke ethics laws by inappropriately pressuring then-justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould to grant a deferred prosecution agreement to the Montreal engineering and construction company. The Hill Times photograph by Andrew Meade

    “It’s where the election could be won or lost,” said Mr. Yufest. While Toronto and Ottawa remain reliably Liberal, he said that the “rest of the province is at play, especially the Greater Toronto Area. If the Ethics Commissioner’s story resonates with the [population] like the initial scandal resonated with them, that’s where the Liberals are most vulnerable.”

    Mr. Nanos noted that winning back female voters—who he says “without a doubt, are going to make or break Justin Trudeau”—is key to another victory. After the scandal broke in February, he said that it was the women’s vote that shifted support towards Andrew Scheer’s Conservatives, and women again who gravitated back to the Liberals over the subsequent months that saw Liberals rising in the polls.

    That lines up with polling done by Campaign Research, which, Mr. Yufest said, suggests that women tend to value “integrity, honesty, and trustworthiness” more than men.

    If Mr. Trudeau plays his cards right, however, the scandal might actually help him in neighbouring Quebec, where SNC-Lavalin employs several thousand people, according to Mr. Powers. During a press conference following the release of the report, Mr. Trudeau emphasized the importance of protecting jobs, though he admitted that this shouldn’t come at the cost of ethics.

    It is also likely that the revelations in Mr. Dion’s report will shift the way Liberals and Conservatives spend the rest of the pre-election period campaigning. Based on polling by Campaign Research, “integrity, honesty, and trustworthiness” are the second most important attributes driving voter intent. This means, according to Mr. Yufest, that the Conservative strategy will most likely be to “make the narrative about how Justin Trudeau and the Liberals can’t be trusted.”

    Campaign Research is headed by Mr. Yufest, the CEO, as well as Conservative strategists Richard Ciano and Nick Kouvalis, the latter of whom said earlier this year that he planned to work on the election campaigns of Conservative deputy leader Lisa Raitt (Milton, Ont.) and other Conservative MPs.

    Mr. Powers added that Conservatives will probably use the scandal to ramp up their current advertising strategy, which involves painting the Liberals’ term in power as “not as advertised.”

    “That’s their tagline, so they’ve just got new material for all of that,” he said. “ I suspect the Conservatives will look to make sure they can continue to generate as much attention on this matter as possible in the lead-up to the election, and they’ll also look to focus on the old, long-standing Liberal vulnerability of entitlement and self-interest, and point to this as acting in the best interests of those nearest and dearest.”

    For the Liberals’ part, Mr. Nanos said there “isn’t much they can do to defend themselves,” and that they just have to hope that the scandal doesn’t dominate too much media coverage over the next few months.

    “To build their whole election campaign strategy around a prime minister who’s on the political ropes… would be misguided,” he said. “I think perhaps the best path for the Liberals is to basically accept that there’s been damage on the prime minister’s brand, and then as an alternative, to advance the Liberal team and also the Liberal plan for the future, in order to minimize the fallout.”

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    But what about the transparency Justin?

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    The horse is dead, stop flogging. Even if Trudeau ORDERED JWR to offer SNC a DPA it would not be obstruction as she can refuse him and even if he was able to provide them with a DPA its a legally accepted path in the justice system so its not really "obstruction"

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    I'm guessing the opposition parties will use this like a junkyard dog chewing on a bone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    The horse is dead, stop flogging. Even if Trudeau ORDERED JWR to offer SNC a DPA it would not be obstruction as she can refuse him and even if he was able to provide them with a DPA its a legally accepted path in the justice system so its not really "obstruction"
    It won't be. Because it's going to come up at the debates. And Trudeau will have to answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler1000 View Post
    It won't be. Because it's going to come up at the debates. And Trudeau will have to answer.
    The debates he shows up for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nottyboi View Post
    The horse is dead, stop flogging. Even if Trudeau ORDERED JWR to offer SNC a DPA it would not be obstruction as she can refuse him and even if he was able to provide them with a DPA its a legally accepted path in the justice system so its not really "obstruction"
    What part of
    "If the RCMP comes in, ‘we’re cooked’ in the upcoming election", say some worried Liberal MPs
    Some Liberal MPs say they are considering not using Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s name or image in their election campaign material.
    do you not understand?

    Your golden boys puppet master Gerald Butts totally under estimated a quality in JWR.
    That quality is called integrity

    It is not totally surprising as people without integrity often assume others don't have it either

    Your golden boy was found guilty of ethics violations & someone in his office (which he is responsible for) likely broke the law
    My guess is he is so stupid, it had to be explained to him after the fact

    He was never ready & never will be ready

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafterman View Post
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...valin-inquiry/

    Ha ha ha the very day the 2019 Federal election begins.
    What happened to his strong commitment to transparency?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteshaft View Post
    What happened to his strong commitment to transparency?
    It was a stretch-goal.

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    The journalists asked about this today during the election announcement, he was dismissive and evasive. I think its a big thing that the RCMP asks for this and being dismissive is not going to help his cause. If he doesn't release more info people will be more suspicious, like what's he hiding?

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    Baby Scheer has not touched on any policies but all he does is fixate on this Lavalin BS. No wonder he is back down trailing in the polls!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bver_hunter View Post
    Baby Scheer has not touched on any policies but all he does is fixate on this Lavalin BS. No wonder he is back down trailing in the polls!!
    He's leading the Liberals in a Sept 6-9 Legere poll (35%-34%) and tied (33.8%) in CBC's aggregated poll tracker. Stop lying!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by bver_hunter View Post
    Baby Scheer has not touched on any policies but all he does is fixate on this Lavalin BS. No wonder he is back down trailing in the polls!!
    Id say discussing obstruction of justice is pretty important.

    Corrupt practices moreso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler1000 View Post
    Id say discussing obstruction of justice is pretty important.

    Corrupt practices moreso.
    Exactly
    Had this been Steven Harper obstructing justice for an oil company, the left would be sharpening the guillotine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler1000 View Post
    Id say discussing obstruction of justice is pretty important.

    Corrupt practices moreso.
    So corrupt practices are found to be more frequent under the present regime down South.

    But all you did was to defend it.

    Anyway, the Canadians will decide if this so called "corrupt" practice called "Obstruct ion of Justice" makes them sway their decision. After all we have US and German Companies like Siemens who were fined in the USA and Germany for similar SNC-Lavalin type corruption scandals. All they did was pay their fines in both countries and it is business as usual in Canada. But to the right wingers there are no outcries in those instances!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bver_hunter View Post
    So corrupt practices are found to be more frequent under the present regime down South.

    But all you did was to defend it.

    Anyway, the Canadians will decide if this so called "corrupt" practice called "Obstruct ion of Justice" makes them sway their decision. After all we have US and German Companies like Siemens who were fined in the USA and Germany for similar SNC-Lavalin type corruption scandals. All they did was pay their fines in both countries and it is business as usual in Canada. But to the right wingers there are no outcries in those instances!!
    Lol. Keep trying to deflect. But in essence you are saying that Trudeau is comparable to Trump.

    You can't defend him, so you use an ad hominin attack and try to change the subject.

    I'm glad you are so worried, it bodes well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler1000 View Post
    Lol. Keep trying to deflect. But in essence you are saying that Trudeau is comparable to Trump.

    You can't defend him, so you use an ad hominin attack and try to change the subject.

    I'm glad you are so worried, it bodes well.
    Again you are not putting on your listening ears. I mentioned that the Canadians will decide at the polls, if that is a factor. I am changing absolutely no subject, just trying to out your total hypocrisy in the manner that you defended Trump when he was embroiled in the scandals. Yes companies like Siemens are very relevant as they are doing business as usual in Canada, whereas SNC Lavalin could face Government sanctions and losses of jobs could result. Is that of no concern to you?? Especially after the losses of jobs by GM in the closure of the Oshawa plants and complaints that the Governments at both Provincial and Federal levels needed to do more to save those jobs!!


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    Isn't blocking the police from conducting an investigation called obstruction of justice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bver_hunter View Post
    whereas SNC Lavalin could face Government sanctions and losses of jobs could result. Is that of no concern to you?? Especially after the losses of jobs by GM in the closure of the Oshawa plants and complaints that the Governments at both Provincial and Federal levels needed to do more to save those jobs!!
    God forbid a corrupt company actually get punished under Justin the Transparent and he loses votes.

    Oh the blasphemy.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by bver_hunter View Post
    Again you are not putting on your listening ears. I mentioned that the Canadians will decide at the polls, if that is a factor. I am changing absolutely no subject, just trying to out your total hypocrisy in the manner that you defended Trump when he was embroiled in the scandals. Yes companies like Siemens are very relevant as they are doing business as usual in Canada, whereas SNC Lavalin could face Government sanctions and losses of jobs could result. Is that of no concern to you?? Especially after the losses of jobs by GM in the closure of the Oshawa plants and complaints that the Governments at both Provincial and Federal levels needed to do more to save those jobs!!
    Why would you defend a corporation that has used bribery both domestically and internationally to circumvent the bidding process?

    You are, quite simply, condoning and encouraging corruption by supporting SNC Lavalin. There is no two ways about it.

    No, I don't believe it will cost jobs. Those employees can find other employment. It will however allow other companies to be created to fill the gap.
    I endorse Senator Bernie Sanders for President in 2020.

    It is my hope Tulsi Gabbard becomes his running mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler1000 View Post
    Why would you defend a corporation that has used bribery both domestically and internationally to circumvent the bidding process?

    You are, quite simply, condoning and encouraging corruption by supporting SNC Lavalin. There is no two ways about it.

    No, I don't believe it will cost jobs. Those employees can find other employment. It will however allow other companies to be created to fill the gap.
    Good thing the AG was allowed to make her decision that cost jobs independently, regardless of any pressure.
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