You saying you're granny's still a piece of ass. She must be given it away like no tomorrow.
Much better than that fucking Werewolf...LOLOL !!!!!You saying you're granny's still a piece of ass. She must be given it away like no tomorrow.
Yeah so here's the thing Frankie.Wow, so you found an encyclopedia description of the 6 day war.
Doesn't make it any more legal, this occupation, nor does it justify the occupation in any way.
So if several countries were mobilising to take out your country you would do what exactly?That just makes Israel look bad bringing up the 6 day war since Israel attacked first.
From what I understand, the arab countries were allies of the soviet union. The Soviet Union gave the arabs intel that Israel supported by the US was going to invade. So the arabs were in just as much panic as Israel was.So if several countries were mobilising to take out your country you would do what exactly?
Beg for mercy?
Not really correct. Egypt was warned back in 57, I think, that closing of the Straits of Tiran to the Israeli shipping would be considered an act of war by Israel. Naser closed it anyway to provoke the conflict, Israel just kept its word. So, it was Naser who broke the truce, not Israel. Furthermore, and more relevant to the topic, King of Jordan put his forces under the Egyptian control. On the first day, Israel asked him to stay out of the conflict. His answer? " The dye is cast"!!!! The other participants? Syria, Iraq and Lebanon all INITIATED armed conflict with Israel, either by shelling, air or small arms actions. So, the assertion that "Israel started the war" is a simplistic and inaccurate description of the situation on the ground. The war with Egypt started the moment Egypt announced closing of the Straits to the Israeli shipping. Israel acted prudently and correctly by destroying the Egyptian air force on the ground and depriving its numerically superior opponent control of the airspace over the battlefield. Without that operation it is very likely that Israel would not exist today.From what I understand, the arab countries were allies of the soviet union. The Soviet Union gave the arabs intel that Israel supported by the US was going to invade. So the arabs were in just as much panic as Israel was.
In anycase, Israel started the war, Israel was the aggressor. It is clear as day in any history book you read about the 6 day war including the article you posted in the prior page.
Historical revisionism.Not really correct. Egypt was warned back in 57, I think, that closing of the Straits of Tiran to the Israeli shipping would be considered an act of war by Israel. Naser closed it anyway to provoke the conflict, Israel just kept its word. So, it was Naser who broke the truce, not Israel. Furthermore, and more relevant to the topic, King of Jordan put his forces under the Egyptian control. On the first day, Israel asked him to stay out of the conflict. His answer? " The dye is cast"!!!! The other participants? Syria, Iraq and Lebanon all INITIATED armed conflict with Israel, either by shelling, air or small arms actions. So, the assertion that "Israel started the war" is a simplistic and inaccurate description of the situation on the ground. The war with Egypt started the moment Egypt announced closing of the Straits to the Israeli shipping. Israel acted prudently and correctly by destroying the Egyptian air force on the ground and depriving its numerically superior opponent control of the airspace over the battlefield. Without that operation it is very likely that Israel would not exist today.
Thank you for that additional breakdown.Not really correct. Egypt was warned back in 57, I think, that closing of the Straits of Tiran to the Israeli shipping would be considered an act of war by Israel. Naser closed it anyway to provoke the conflict, Israel just kept its word. So, it was Naser who broke the truce, not Israel. Furthermore, and more relevant to the topic, King of Jordan put his forces under the Egyptian control. On the first day, Israel asked him to stay out of the conflict. His answer? " The dye is cast"!!!! The other participants? Syria, Iraq and Lebanon all INITIATED armed conflict with Israel, either by shelling, air or small arms actions. So, the assertion that "Israel started the war" is a simplistic and inaccurate description of the situation on the ground. The war with Egypt started the moment Egypt announced closing of the Straits to the Israeli shipping. Israel acted prudently and correctly by destroying the Egyptian air force on the ground and depriving its numerically superior opponent control of the airspace over the battlefield. Without that operation it is very likely that Israel would not exist today.
Japan had warned the US long prior to pearl harbor that they considered their supplying of allied forces with goods and materials while cutting off japan from being able to purchase goods and materials, an act of war. So it was the US that attacked Japan first, and Japan was just defending itself.Not really correct. Egypt was warned back in 57, I think, that closing of the Straits of Tiran to the Israeli shipping would be considered an act of war by Israel. Naser closed it anyway to provoke the conflict, Israel just kept its word. So, it was Naser who broke the truce, not Israel. Furthermore, and more relevant to the topic, King of Jordan put his forces under the Egyptian control. On the first day, Israel asked him to stay out of the conflict. His answer? " The dye is cast"!!!! The other participants? Syria, Iraq and Lebanon all INITIATED armed conflict with Israel, either by shelling, air or small arms actions. So, the assertion that "Israel started the war" is a simplistic and inaccurate description of the situation on the ground. The war with Egypt started the moment Egypt announced closing of the Straits to the Israeli shipping. Israel acted prudently and correctly by destroying the Egyptian air force on the ground and depriving its numerically superior opponent control of the airspace over the battlefield. Without that operation it is very likely that Israel would not exist today.
You're ignoring the simple fact that Israel was constantly defending itself from military attacks by its Arab neighbors from the late 1940s all the way through 1973.I am trying to highlight the absurdity of accepting some retarded definition of "act of war" rather than an actual act of war as an act of war.
You mean after they took over Palestine, after partition and years of planning?You're ignoring the simple fact that Israel was constantly defending itself from military attacks by its Arab neighbors from the late 1940s all the way through 1973.
Not quite the same. If US had attacked Japan while it's taskforce left the inland sea on the way to Pearl Harbor, you might have a point. Israel gave a clear definition of the casus belli to Egypt. Combined with the military build up, mobilization and extension of the Egyptian command and control to Jordan( only a stroll from Tel Aviv), and the extensive intelligence especially from E. Cohen, the closing of the Straits was the FIRST act of war as far as Israel was concerned. What a lot of people seem to be upset about is the simple fact that Israel actually took Nasser's warnings and threats seriously and it was ready to strike at the moment's notice. Nasser wanted war, but he wanted it on the Egyptian terms and time table. The Jews, not being known for suicidal tendencies, denied that to him and achieved a tactical and strategic surprise. A lesson the Arabs learned well and applied in '73. Had Israel not gained the defensive depth by occupying the Sinai Peninsula and the West Bank, that conflict would ended up with Israel nuking Cairo and Damascus, that's how close the Yom Kippur conflict was.Japan had warned the US long prior to pearl harbor that they considered their supplying of allied forces with goods and materials while cutting off japan from being able to purchase goods and materials, an act of war. So it was the US that attacked Japan first, and Japan was just defending itself.
I am trying to highlight the absurdity of accepting some retarded definition of "act of war" rather than an actual act of war as an act of war.
If you don't think Israel should exist, why didn't you say that months ago?You mean after they took over Palestine, after partition and years of planning?
Franky is well known terrorist supporter around here, those that support him here are other members of the "Brotherhood".If you don't think Israel should exist, why didn't you say that months ago?
All these debates with you are pointless if your starting point is Israel has no right to exist. I'm sorry, but your words sound like the view of the militant wing of Palestinian leadership.
Where did you get that from?If you don't think Israel should exist, why didn't you say that months ago?
All these debates with you are pointless if your starting point is Israel has no right to exist. I'm sorry, but your words sound like the view of the militant wing of Palestinian leadership.
I guess the vast majority of history books including ones in Israel have it wrong, even the article quoted by oracle has it wrong. History apparently is fake news. An act of war means anything you want it to be, just like gender.Not quite the same. If US had attacked Japan while it's taskforce left the inland sea on the way to Pearl Harbor, you might have a point. Israel gave a clear definition of the casus belli to Egypt. Combined with the military build up, mobilization and extension of the Egyptian command and control to Jordan( only a stroll from Tel Aviv), and the extensive intelligence especially from E. Cohen, the closing of the Straits was the FIRST act of war as far as Israel was concerned. What a lot of people seem to be upset about is the simple fact that Israel actually took Nasser's warnings and threats seriously and it was ready to strike at the moment's notice. Nasser wanted war, but he wanted it on the Egyptian terms and time table. The Jews, not being known for suicidal tendencies, denied that to him and achieved a tactical and strategic surprise. A lesson the Arabs learned well and applied in '73. Had Israel not gained the defensive depth by occupying the Sinai Peninsula and the West Bank, that conflict would ended up with Israel nuking Cairo and Damascus, that's how close the Yom Kippur conflict was.
LOL!!!!! The fact that Israel dcided to take initiative is a well known fact. The fact that Nasser closed the Straits of Tiran is the inconvenient truth that too many choose to overlook. Btw, in '73 the Israeli government was urged to preempt, but decided not to because it didn't want to be seen as an agressor(among other reasons). And almost 3000 Jews lost their lives as a result of the hesitation and the nation was pushed to the brink of destruction. Not to mention tens of thousands of the dead Arabs. But, sure. Bad Jews!I guess the vast majority of history books including ones in Israel have it wrong, even the article quoted by oracle has it wrong. History apparently is fake news. An act of war means anything you want it to be, just like gender.
Yes, they started the war.LOL!!!!! The fact that Israel dcided to take initiative is a well known fact.