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Andrew Scheer said gay couples lack ‘inherent’ quality of marriage in tape in 2005

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Andrew Scheer said gay couples lack ‘inherent’ quality of marriage in tape of 2005 speech unearthed by Liberals

By Alex Boutilier
Ottawa Bureau

Thu., Aug. 22, 2019

OTTAWA–The Liberals are challenging Andrew Scheer to end his “boycott” of gay pride events after unearthing a 2005 speech the Conservative leader made suggesting same-sex marriage cannot be considered marriage at all.

Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale released a video of the speech Thursday that shows Scheer, then 25, explaining why he opposed the Civil Marriage Act, which legalized same-sex unions in Canada.

“How many legs would a dog have if you counted the tail as a leg? The answer is just four,” Scheer said, paraphrasing a quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln.

“Just because a tail is called a leg does not make it a leg. If Bill C-38 passes, governments and individual Canadians will be forced to call a tail a leg, nothing more, but that is not inconsequential, for its effect on marriage, such an integral building block of our society, would have far-reaching effects.”

In the speech, Scheer said the most important thing to society is raising children because society’s “very survival requires it.”

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To be a leader for all Canadians, the Conservative Party leader should now end his lifelong boycott of Pride events and explain whether he would still deny same-sex couples the right to marry, as he said in Parliament.

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“Homosexual unions are by nature contradictory to this … Two members of the same sex may use their God-given free will to engage in acts, to cohabit and to own property together,” Scheer continued.

“In that sense, they have many of the collateral features of marriage, but they do not have its inherent feature, as they cannot commit to the natural procreation of children. They cannot therefore be married.”

In response, the Conservative campaign accused the Liberals of “desperation” and attempting to distract from their government’s record by dredging up Scheer’s comments from 2005.

Brock Harrison, the campaign’s communications director, said Scheer “supports same-sex marriage as defined in law and as prime minister will, of course, uphold it.”

The Conservatives also released a list of Liberals — including Goodale — who either opposed same-sex marriage or voted against it in the past.

But the Scheer campaign did not say whether Scheer’s personal beliefs on same-sex marriage had evolved, nor did they respond to the question of Scheer’s continued refusal to participate in Pride parades.

Earlier this month, a Conservative spokesman told the Canadian Press that the party has a “proud history of fighting for the rights and protection of all Canadians, including those in the LGBTQ community, at home and abroad.”

Scheer voted against the Civil Marriages Act in 2005, as did the vast majority of then-leader Stephen Harper’s caucus. Harper said at the time a Conservative government would revisit the law if elected, but avoided reigniting the debate in almost a decade as prime minister.

Like his predecessor, Scheer has tried to avoid major social conservative issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. But the Conservative leader — a devout Roman Catholic — has consistently refused to take part in Pride events routinely attended by politicians across the country. After the Liberals released the video, Goodale challenged Scheer to march in the Ottawa Pride parade being held this Sunday.

With files from The Canadian Press

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/08/22/andrew-scheer-said-gay-couples-lack-inherent-quality-of-marriage-in-tape-of-2005-speech-unearthed-by-liberals.html
 

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Obama was against gay marriage initially.

I suspect he still is, Scheer too, but you'll never be elected unless you come out in support of it.
 

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I guess you don't have to be explicitly supportive of
it as a conservative. But a bright politician would keep
any negative opinion about gay marriage to himself.
 

jcpro

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Obama was against gay marriage initially.

I suspect he still is, Scheer too, but you'll never be elected unless you come out in support of it.
So was Hillary.
 

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If this is all the Liberals and the right Honourable Gerald Betts or should I say Justin Trudeau have to work with then they are worse off than I imagined,lol.

Really from 2005 Lol!!!!......This is all you got.
 

jcpro

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This is just the beginning. Sheer has said lots of stupid shit.
Just think back hard...I know it's a strain, but, around the same time, Justin was still at the groping stage of his life. Do the Libs really want to dig out the past?
 

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Just think back hard...I know it's a strain, but, around the same time, Justin was still at the groping stage of his life. Do the Libs really want to dig out the past?
You've already had years to dig up dirt and that's the best you can find?
Sounds like it'll be all Scheer all the time, when the digging starts.
 

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The Star is a complete joke. What's their readership now, less than 100,000?
 

jcpro

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You've already had years to dig up dirt and that's the best you can find?
Sounds like it'll be all Scheer all the time, when the digging starts.
Would you like me to get you some quotes from the past on the subject by Obama, (both) Clinton's, and very many Liberals? Didn't Ralph Goodale vote against when chips were down? Do you REALLY want to go there? Just drop it. It was stupid of the Star to "break" that news.
 

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There is WAY more dumb shit Scheer has said...stay turned. I was actually consulted about how some shit would sound on commercials.


Andrew Scheer said gay couples lack ‘inherent’ quality of marriage in tape of 2005 speech unearthed by Liberals

By Alex Boutilier
Ottawa Bureau

Thu., Aug. 22, 2019

OTTAWA–The Liberals are challenging Andrew Scheer to end his “boycott” of gay pride events after unearthing a 2005 speech the Conservative leader made suggesting same-sex marriage cannot be considered marriage at all.

Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale released a video of the speech Thursday that shows Scheer, then 25, explaining why he opposed the Civil Marriage Act, which legalized same-sex unions in Canada.

“How many legs would a dog have if you counted the tail as a leg? The answer is just four,” Scheer said, paraphrasing a quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln.

“Just because a tail is called a leg does not make it a leg. If Bill C-38 passes, governments and individual Canadians will be forced to call a tail a leg, nothing more, but that is not inconsequential, for its effect on marriage, such an integral building block of our society, would have far-reaching effects.”

In the speech, Scheer said the most important thing to society is raising children because society’s “very survival requires it.”

Ralph Goodale

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To be a leader for all Canadians, the Conservative Party leader should now end his lifelong boycott of Pride events and explain whether he would still deny same-sex couples the right to marry, as he said in Parliament.

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“Homosexual unions are by nature contradictory to this … Two members of the same sex may use their God-given free will to engage in acts, to cohabit and to own property together,” Scheer continued.

“In that sense, they have many of the collateral features of marriage, but they do not have its inherent feature, as they cannot commit to the natural procreation of children. They cannot therefore be married.”

In response, the Conservative campaign accused the Liberals of “desperation” and attempting to distract from their government’s record by dredging up Scheer’s comments from 2005.

Brock Harrison, the campaign’s communications director, said Scheer “supports same-sex marriage as defined in law and as prime minister will, of course, uphold it.”

The Conservatives also released a list of Liberals — including Goodale — who either opposed same-sex marriage or voted against it in the past.

But the Scheer campaign did not say whether Scheer’s personal beliefs on same-sex marriage had evolved, nor did they respond to the question of Scheer’s continued refusal to participate in Pride parades.

Earlier this month, a Conservative spokesman told the Canadian Press that the party has a “proud history of fighting for the rights and protection of all Canadians, including those in the LGBTQ community, at home and abroad.”

Scheer voted against the Civil Marriages Act in 2005, as did the vast majority of then-leader Stephen Harper’s caucus. Harper said at the time a Conservative government would revisit the law if elected, but avoided reigniting the debate in almost a decade as prime minister.

Like his predecessor, Scheer has tried to avoid major social conservative issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. But the Conservative leader — a devout Roman Catholic — has consistently refused to take part in Pride events routinely attended by politicians across the country. After the Liberals released the video, Goodale challenged Scheer to march in the Ottawa Pride parade being held this Sunday.

With files from The Canadian Press

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/08/22/andrew-scheer-said-gay-couples-lack-inherent-quality-of-marriage-in-tape-of-2005-speech-unearthed-by-liberals.html
So what's the issue with what he said?
 

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Would you like me to get you some quotes from the past on the subject by Obama, (both) Clinton's, and very many Liberals? Didn't Ralph Goodale vote against when chips were down? Do you REALLY want to go there? Just drop it. It was stupid of the Star to "break" that news.
Go ahead, you think you've got more dirt then the conservatives already found after years of digging?
In a 2017 “Statement on Life Issues” published by his leadership campaign, Scheer said, “I have always voted in favour of pro-life legislation."
 

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You've already had years to dig up dirt and that's the best you can find?
Sounds like it'll be all Scheer all the time, when the digging starts.
It’s hard to find dirt on people who’ve not done anything.
 

jcpro

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Go ahead, you think you've got more dirt then the conservatives already found after years of digging?
"Dirt"??! They are all on record opposing gay marriage at one point or another. This is hardly s secret.
 

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The Star is a complete joke. What's their readership now, less than 100,000?
I dunno Kirk, the Star doesn't dart its tongue up Trudeau's ass crack the way The Sun enthusiastically does with Trump and Ford.

On it's own the video shouldn't have much of a ripple effect. Yet Shiva Scheer's actions speak louder than words, he's never attended a Gay Pride parade. That won't work for him with Millennial voters, the majority of which are in favour of Gay marriage. He's going into the election looking like Mike Pence.

Scientology is into gay conversion therapy with smashing success. Tom Cruise and John Travolta are now as hetero as they cum!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDME5MhRKyM
 

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Yet Shiva Scheer's actions speak louder than words, he's never attended a Gay Pride parade. That won't work for him with Millennial voters, the majority of which are in favour of Gay marriage. He's going into the election looking like Mike Pence.
I applaud him for not going to the parade. It's just being used as a platform for political pandering.

And its far from a family event lets be honest. But everybody is just to afraid of the left backlash pejoratives that will be thrown at them if they say anything.

Oh and for the record I support gay marriage.
 

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There is WAY more dumb shit Scheer has said...stay turned. I was actually consulted about how some shit would sound on commercials.


Andrew Scheer said gay couples lack ‘inherent’ quality of marriage in tape of 2005 speech unearthed by Liberals



This is so suicidal on the part of Scheer lol. It will be adversely impactful against what the Conservatives would expect to achieve at the election.
It's common knowledge that there is a large number of gay voters as well as voters who support same-sex-marriage across the country.
Did he drink too much wine before his speech?
 
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