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Hong kong: Don’t provoke the dragon

WyattEarp

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There is a distinct difference though in mainland Chinese and Hong Kong culture.
Absolutely true.

The Hong Kongers, though, do have attachment to the great things of the Chinese culture and its history.
 

oil&gas

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Ghawar
Interestingly those obnoxious and pushy mainland
tourists were travelling on tours organized by agency
jointly run by Hong Kong businessman and mainlanders. In
fact it was Hong Kong government who lured in
tourists from the mainland by giving them 'freedom
pass' during the 2003 epidemic to stimulate the economy.
 

onthebottom

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Taiwan is protected by the legendary U.S. 7th Fleet.
Invasions across water are hard. The Chinese don’t have any practical experience with any aspect of it. Won’t ever happen.
 

danmand

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Invasions across water are hard. The Chinese don’t have any practical experience with any aspect of it. Won’t ever happen.
They do not need to invade Taiwan. Sooner or later Taiwan will join China. They are already tightly integrated with the Chinese economy.
 

WyattEarp

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The Red Chinese cheerleaders are a hoot. I suppose they also believe West Germany merged itself into East Germany.
 

oil&gas

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Not sure if I understand your point. I thought West
Germany was a willing merger with East Germany.
 

oil&gas

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them commie corrupt dipshit dictators had plans of taking over HK eventually. Killing anyone that gets in their way is the way they do biz and make more money.
You think HK will make more money for PRC after a
military takeover? More likely all the black money
invested by corrupted government officials and
banksters there would evaporate.
 

Insidious Von

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Not sure if I understand your point. I thought West
Germany was a willing merger with East Germany.
What Wyatt Earp means is Germany did not integrate politically. East Germany would have been much easier to manage if it had been kept to one block. Helmut Kohl reverted East Germany into it's pre-WW II regions as a way of keeping his party in power. The problem there was that the Old Prussian Confederacy no longer existed. East Germany had no access to the economically lucrative port cities of Stettin (Szczecin), Danzig (Gdansk) and Konigsburg (Kaliningrad). The eastern regions soon went bankrupt, large transfer payments were needed to keep them afloat. Germany's economy was stagnant for most of the 90's and Kohl lost power. Gerhard Schroder introduced needed economic reforms which worked well in the developed West, no so much in the East. He lost power with Angela Merkel becoming Chancellor. The Eastern problem persists and is the reason why the Euro is a structurally weak currency.

China's biggest problem is the Mao Princelings that control the Communist Party are strong on ideology but weak on economics. They are more concerned with keeping hold of power rather than making the economy more flexible. They also have huge structural problems - which I don't have time to get into. Suffice to say that The Belt and Road Initiative with wither unless the economy is liberalized. Good luck with that.
 

WyattEarp

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My point was West Germany basically took over East Germany. Nothing more than that. The thought that Taiwan would voluntarily join Red China is a contorted view of the world.
 

kstanb

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In Taiwan there are 2 prevalent views with regards to China:

pan-Green coalition: looking for independence, "One China, one Taiwan"
pan-Blue coalition: supporting the present status quo, while rejecting immediate unification with mainland China

for as long as Continental China remains "red", both coalitions are in agreement that there should be no unification

and there is no credible "pan-Red" party, so really doubtful to believe the PRC can achieve unification by peaceful means
 

danmand

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Not sure if I understand your point. I thought West
Germany was a willing merger with East Germany.
That is the correct interpretation. East Germany wanted to become part of West Germany. People died trying to get to West Germany from East Germany.
 

Darts

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Taiwan is offering asylum to HK protesters.

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The PRC telling Canada to keep its nose out of internal PRC matters. Let's hope Trudeau and Freeland won't piss off the PRC more than they already have by kidnapping Miss Meng.
 

Robert Mugabe

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Surprised to see some young pro PRC Chinese guys being interviewed in Vancouver during the protest. They didn't agree with Hong Kong having democracy and didn't believe it should be independent from China. Why are they here?
 

Insidious Von

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That is the correct interpretation. East Germany wanted to become part of West Germany. People died trying to get to West Germany from East Germany.
Agreed but Germany should have brought in East Germany as a single region. It would have been easier to bring it up to speed. Now the former East has five poor regions with only Saxony (Leipzig, Dresden) and the Capital District of Berlin being the prosperous areas. That's not what Helmut Kohl wanted.
 

oil&gas

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Surprised to see some young pro PRC Chinese guys being interviewed in Vancouver during the protest. They didn't agree with Hong Kong having democracy and didn't believe it should be independent from China. Why are they here?
I guess the pro-China and pro-HK protesters emigrated
here for the same reason---they want a better life.
 

explorerzip

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Absolutely true.

The Hong Kongers, though, do have attachment to the great things of the Chinese culture and its history.
Yes, that even goes for Hong Kong's and Taiwan's attachment to traditional Chinese written characters. While the mainland favors the simplified variety.
 

explorerzip

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Interestingly those obnoxious and pushy mainland
tourists were travelling on tours organized by agency
jointly run by Hong Kong businessman and mainlanders. In
fact it was Hong Kong government who lured in
tourists from the mainland by giving them 'freedom
pass' during the 2003 epidemic to stimulate the economy.
Tour groups try to cater to everyone whether or not they are pushy or obnoxious. Not every tourist is like that, but it can seem that way when you have large groups of them travelling together.
 
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