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Epstein Autopsy Finds Evidence He May Have Been Murdered

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Epstein Autopsy Finds Evidence He May Have Been Murdered

Thu, 08/15/2019 - 06:01

As the public carries on with the great debate about what really happened (or didn't happen) to Jeffrey Epstein early Saturday morning in the hours before he was found dead in his cell at MCC in an apparent suicide, the Washington Post has unleashed a bombshell.

First, remember how some witnesses claimed they had heard horrifying shrieking coming from Epstein's cell in the hours before his death? Well, here's one explanation for that: An autopsy report found that Epstein had endured multiple breaks in his neck bones, deepening the mystery surrounding his death last week.



Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. These breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject.


But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation.

Even Jonathan L. Arden, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, admitted that a hyoid break is more commonly associated with homicidal strangulation than suicidal hanging.

The hyoid bone played a pivotal role in another critical New York City case: The death of Eric Garner.

The hyoid bone played a central role in a heated dispute last year over another high-profile death in New York, that of Eric Garner. A New York police officer was accused of using an improper chokehold while trying to arrest Garner and of causing his death. A police officers’ association claimed that an autopsy from Sampson’s office found there was no break of Garner’s hyoid bone, and that this proved that the officer could not have strangled Garner and caused his death.


These details, according to WaPo, are the first to emerge from Epstein's autopsy, something that will undoubtedly be closely watched by the legions of Epstein conspiracists who have emerged since his death.

While AG William Barr has described Epstein's death as "an apparent suicide," but DoJ officials have refused to comment on the latest findings from Epstein's autopsy.

The office of New York City’s chief medical examiner, Barbara Sampson, completed an autopsy of Epstein’s body Sunday. But Sampson listed the cause of his death as pending. Asked about the neck injuries Sampson said in a statement that no single factor in an autopsy can alone provide a conclusive answer about what happened.

"In all forensic investigations, all information must be synthesized to determine the cause and manner of death. Everything must be consistent; no single finding can be evaluated in a vacuum."

The reports about Epstein's neck injuries followed revelations that the two guards responsible for guarding him had fallen asleep during the hours before his death, then falsified paper work to try and cover their tracks. And dozens of veteran prosecutors and prison officials were shocked that one of the most high-profile inmates in the country wasn't more closely watched.

Sure, plenty of details remain to be revealed from Epstein's autopsy, but his jailhouse death is beginning to sound like something out of 'the Wire'.
 

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I'm still very dubious about what happened, but your article isn't accurate.
Its more likely that it was murder but its also possible he broke his neck himself, according to what I've wrote.
Its not clear cut evidence of murder.
Yet.
 

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danmand, seriously, you need to post links to these articles, for lots of reasons.
I don't know why you don't.
 

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"In a larger study of suicidal hangings of young adults and middle-aged people in India, conducted from 2010 to 2013, hyoid damage was found in just 16 of 264 cases, or 6 percent." Washington Post.

So Jeffrey Epstein falls within the 6% of people whose hyoid was damaged by suicidal hanging. He wasnt murdered. Also, Donald Trump has finally presented evidence his inaugural crowd was the largest in recorded history.
There were other studies that had that number around 25%.
 

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And he managed to accomplish that by hanging himself from a bed frame. The man was something else.
 

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Have they released a picture of the scene?
Have they confirmed what he hung himself from?
 

danmand

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And he managed to accomplish that by hanging himself from a bed frame. The man was something else.
The studies of suicide by hanging are of course referring to suicide using rope or other sturdy material.

Remember that the cell Epstein was in only had sheets that were as thin as paper and designed to rip easily.

How can anybody break a neck bone by his own hands or with material that rips like paper?
 

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Three weeks prior, Jeffrey Epstein is found semi-conscious with bruises around his neck. He is put on suicide watch. Suicide watch removed. He is supposed to be checked every 30 minutes. Not done. Regular guards off the clock and being monitored by irregulars. Despite an environment where suicidal hanging is difficult to accomplish, Epstein succeeds in "hanging" himself. Now, the autopsy finds a damaged hyoid, typical of strangulation. All dots connect to murder. But it's going to be another Lee Harvey Oswald lone assassin scenario.
Right, all the cannons are lined up:

Mainstream Media Escalates Attacks On Epstein "Conspiracy Theories"

08/15/2019 - 12:10

Authored by Kit Knightly via Off-Guardian.org,

In two different opinion pieces The Guardian has made its position on the alleged death of Jeffrey Epstein clear – he “probably” committed suicide.



The first, titled Epstein conspiracy theories are farfetched – but can you blame people?, takes the position that although “conspiracy theories” about Epstein’s apparent suicide are “understandable”, there’s no evidence to support them.





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Rather, the author endorses the slowly coalescing official narrative. Namely that of complete, systemic incompetence:

The official explanation for Epstein’s death comes down to rank incompetence. And it’s probably true.

A short-sighted attitude to take, which totally ignores a cardinal rule when dealing with state agencies: They will only admit to incompetence if the truth is worse.

The author also attempts to undermine the “conspiracy theories” by pointing out that Epstein was a potential threat to important figures on both sides of the political divide:


Online, conspiracy theories now abound. Observers suggest Epstein was killed by one of the men who may have been implicated in his crimes – maybe Bill Clinton, according to the fringe right, or maybe Donald Trump, according to the fringe left.

An argument rather akin to saying “he can’t possibly have been murdered, because there were too many people who wanted him dead. There are SO MANY plausible suspects, that the only reasonable explanation is that…none of them did it.”

(Also, note the word “fringe”, a manipulative use of language designed to discredit an idea without engaging with it rationally)

However, this article – although laced through with traditional mainstream rhetoric about “conspiracy theories” – at least leaves them room to exist.

The Guardian’s other Epstein piece is rather less understanding: Epstein’s death is a victory for misogyny: it denies accusers the justice they deserve

Blares the headline (further evidence that very few people at the Guardian seem to know what “misogyny” really means), before continuing by taking aim at conspiracy theories several times in the text.

Firstly, in an almost word-for-word quote from the previous column:

Commentators on the right speculated that he had been murdered by powerful liberals; those on the left speculated that he had been murdered by powerful conservatives. These theories were not responses to evidence, of which there is little

And then later claiming conspiracy theories not only “factually wrong” (something no one can know at this stage)…

The speculations may well be factually wrong – criminal justice experts have pointed out that inmate suicides are common, and that those detained in federal jails often face startling neglect

…but also attempting to Mrs Lovejoy the public by claiming “conspiracy theories” are actually harmful:

the positing of these conspiracy theories is unhelpful, distracting from the important injustice that has been done to Epstein’s victims.

Declaring seeking the truth to be somehow unfair to the victims is a classic trope, deployed most famously against 9/11 Truthers, but common after many such incidents.

There’s also this sentence…

The conspiracy theorists also risk undermining efforts to bring Epstein’s co-conspirators to account: their suggestions that the financier was killed to cover up the rapes and assaults of powerful men who would rather he be shut up could lend suspicion to anyone pointing out the breadth of his alleged pedophilia ring, giving those who want continued investigations of men such as Dershowitz, Pritzker and Dubin the aura of a maniac in a tinfoil hat.

Which, I’ll be honest, I simply don’t understand.

I think she’s arguing that “conspiracy theorists” talking about “conspiracy theories” might discredit the very real possibility there was an actual conspiracy.

If that’s what she means – because I honestly do not understand the words – well, that’s obviously just crazy. You can’t argue we shouldn’t talk about conspiracy theories, just in case there’s a conspiracy fact.

That’s the attitude of a person so brainwashed by the idea that “conspiracy theorist = crazy person” that they can no longer think in a straight line. Total cognitive dissonance.

The articles are different in tone, but they are united in purpose, and they each hit the same three key points:

Epstein “probably” killed himself. After all, inmates commit suicide all the time.

Conspiracy theories might look reasonable, but they are factually incorrect and morally harmful.

The real tragedy here is the poor victims who will go unavenged. We should all focus on that, not investigating the potential murder.

All this serves to demonstrate – for about the millionth time – the entire purpose of outrage culture and identity politics. Fear of being offensive used to control a conversation and dictate narrative: Don’t talk about Epstein being murdered, don’t even think about it. If you do, you’re a misogynist.
 

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Have they released a picture of the scene?
Have they confirmed what he hung himself from?
Good points! This reminds me of the death of Bin Laden. U.S. claimed that they had killed him and buried at sea with out having releasing proofs that the dead person was actually Bin laden....
The mystery continues in the Epstein death:popcorn:
 

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The injuries are consistent with being strangled/murdered. They are also consistent with hanging/suicide.

This doesn’t really prove anything one way or the other.
 

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So they said he committed suicide. Now they just have to find who suicided him. ;)

Have they released a picture of the scene?
Have they confirmed what he hung himself from?
Sorry, grammar Nazi here. Hanged, not hung. People are hanged, meat is hung.
 

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The injuries are consistent with being strangled/murdered. They are also consistent with hanging/suicide.

This doesn’t really prove anything one way or the other.
No one was more surprised by Epstein's suicide than Epstein himself.......
 

danmand

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The injuries are consistent with being strangled/murdered. They are also consistent with hanging/suicide.

This doesn’t really prove anything one way or the other.
I do not agree. The injuries are consistent with an old fashion English hanging by a hangman, where the fall of the body is stopped by the noose.

The injuries are not consistent with somebody hanging himself with a bed sheet of "paper" from the frame of a bed.
 

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I do not agree. The injuries are consistent with an old fashion English hanging by a hangman, where the fall of the body is stopped by the noose.

The injuries are not consistent with somebody hanging himself with a bed sheet of "paper" from the frame of a bed.
I don’t think we know how he (allegedly) hanged himself, tho? Do we know all these details yet or is this speculation?

Regardless...I’m not a coroner or a medical examiner. I’d never heard of this particular bone in the neck until today and I have spent zero time studying the intricacies of hanging oneself. I’m just going to wait and see what the medical examiner comes up with.

I hope the medical examiner doesn’t come up with something like the Mueller Report that goes on for 400+ pages without telling us anything one way or the other.
 

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So they said he committed suicide. Now they just have to find who suicided him. ;)



Sorry, grammar Nazi here. Hanged, not hung. People are hanged, meat is hung.
Always appreciated.
Also a stickler for grammar, I had to look it up, this is kind of funny given your observation:

"The Hanged vs. Hung Debate
Is the distinction important? It's still commonly found in usage guides, which typically say that the past and the past participle of hang should be hanged only when referring to a person being subjected to death. Hung is preferred, at least by people who make a distinction, in almost every circumstance. However, not everyone makes this distinction. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage has a take on this that differs slightly from the one commonly found in usage guides:

The distinction between hanged and hung is not an especially useful one (although a few commentators claim otherwise). It is, however, a simple one and certainly easy to remember. Therein lies its popularity. If you make a point of observing the distinction in your writing, you will not thereby become a better writer, but you will spare yourself the annoyance of being corrected for having done something that is not wrong.

In other words, observing this distinction will help you to avoid criticism from people with strong feelings on the subject. But don't get too hung up about it."

LOL!

Having said that, there is a difference which means there should be a distinction between the two words.
 

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I don’t think we know how he (allegedly) hanged himself, tho? Do we know all these details yet or is this speculation?

Regardless...I’m not a coroner or a medical examiner. I’d never heard of this particular bone in the neck until today and I have spent zero time studying the intricacies of hanging oneself. I’m just going to wait and see what the medical examiner comes up with.

I hope the medical examiner doesn’t come up with something like the Mueller Report that goes on for 400+ pages without telling us anything one way or the other.
Have you read the Mueller Report?
 
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