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Frankfooter

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Although there's no evidence P. T. Barnum actually said it, the quote often attributed to Barnum about a "sucker born every minute" definitely applies here. :biggrin1:
Coming from a guy who still thinks climate change isn't real and backs right wingers like Doug Ford, I have to say you need a new mirror.
 

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Anyone who votes liberal needs their head examined.
As of right now I will vote Liberal. One of the main reasons is lack of a better alternative. All Scheer does is criticize Trudeau without telling us what he would do. Singh hasn't come across as a strong leader. May and Bernier are too far on the left and right, respectively. Regarding the SNC-Lavalin matter, there is no way the other leaders wouldn't have done the same thing if they were in charge.
 

Ginomore

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As of right now I will vote Liberal. One of the main reasons is lack of a better alternative. All Scheer does is criticize Trudeau without telling us what he would do. Singh hasn't come across as a strong leader. May and Bernier are too far on the left and right, respectively. Regarding the SNC-Lavalin matter, there is no way the other leaders wouldn't have done the same thing if they were in charge.
A better alternative is anyone other than Trudeau.
He is not fit to lead Canada.
 

The Oracle

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As of right now I will vote Liberal. One of the main reasons is lack of a better alternative. All Scheer does is criticize Trudeau without telling us what he would do. Singh hasn't come across as a strong leader. May and Bernier are too far on the left and right, respectively. Regarding the SNC-Lavalin matter, there is no way the other leaders wouldn't have done the same thing if they were in charge.
Trudeau called returning ISIS fighters '' foreign Travellers''. Let them retain their citizenship. And you don't think they are to far on the left?
 

Insidious Von

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LMAO, Confederation has failed Alberta, they've failed themselves...that's another topic.

I remember when Brian Mulroney had a stretch limo flown to Guatemala for a conference of the Americas. It sat on the tarmac, the terrible roads would have broken it up.

Let's take a look at what happened. If Trudeau had interfered in the duties of the Attorney General then it would have been a serious breach of trust. The AG is supposed to act independently of the government. JWR was Justice Minister, subordinate to the Prime Minister. She decided to act on her own and blow shit up, then she secretly recorded cabinet meeting without consent. I don't know what her agenda was but she clearly didn't understand Quebec politics or didn't care. She would have been better off crossing the floor.

I would rather have Doug Ford as Prime Minister than Shiva Scheer. I have no faith in Evangelicals and I don't believe it when he says that he will run a transparent government.
 

Butler1000

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LMAO, Confederation has failed Alberta, they've failed themselves...that's another topic.

I remember when Brian Mulroney had a stretch limo flown to Guatemala for a conference of the Americas. It sat on the tarmac, the terrible roads would have broken it up.

Let's take a look at what happened. If Trudeau had interfered in the duties of the Attorney General then it would have been a serious breach of trust. The AG is supposed to act independently of the government. JWR was Justice Minister, subordinate to the Prime Minister. She decided to act on her own and blow shit up, then she secretly recorded cabinet meeting without consent. I don't know what her agenda was but she clearly didn't understand Quebec politics or didn't care. She would have been better off crossing the floor.

I would rather have Doug Ford as Prime Minister than Shiva Scheer. I have no faith in Evangelicals and I don't believe it when he says that he will run a transparent government.
"She clearly didn't understand Quebec politics or didn't care"......

Which part, where SNC Lavalin gave kickbacks for Hospital and road contracts?

Or where the Liberal Party is duty bound to exchange votes and cash for assisting a corrupt company?

Or is it the Canada wide thing where Trudeau directly lied to Canadians about his involvement?

I don't care who you choose to vote for otherwise, but this govt, just like the Provincial one has to go.
 

Insidious Von

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I've said it before but it needs to be repeated.

SNC Lavalin are staunch Federalists, they supported the Liberal governments through two Quebec referendums. In government as in business you look after your allies. Trudeau has been trying to keep them from moving their head office to France. He wouldn't have been taken in by JWR endgame if that weren't true.
 

Butler1000

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I've said it before but it needs to be repeated.

SNC Lavalin are staunch Federalists, they supported the Liberal governments through two Quebec referendums. In government as in business you look after your allies. Trudeau has been trying to keep them from moving their head office to France. He wouldn't have been taken in by JWR endgame if that weren't true.
Ever think they did it because if Quebec seperated the infrastructure contracts (and the connections they nurtured to get them) would have dried up?

They are not the good guys. They are a proven corrupt multinational who did whatever they had to to get a contract. And that's it.
 

Frankfooter

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Ever think they did it because if Quebec seperated the infrastructure contracts (and the connections they nurtured to get them) would have dried up?

They are not the good guys. They are a proven corrupt multinational who did whatever they had to to get a contract. And that's it.
Good thing that despite extra pressure everything worked as it should have and no decision was made based on political pressure.
And all those jobs will disappear, as you like.
 

Frankfooter

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Everything worked as it should? They attempted to ruin the careers of at least two very capable women, demoted them, lied about them, and ultimately ostracized them.

In addition, they are still hiding evidence.

The fact you put your blind allegiance ahead of morals and integrity is par for the course.

As for jobs disappearing, this is Trudeau's legacy. He just cares a lot more when those jobs are in Quebec and when there are payoffs to his party. He is a trade and industry disaster.
Now the big hurt is that two politicians you didn't like resigned or were demoted?
Wow, such a criminal act, I'm sure you think he should get the death penalty.
 

Frankfooter

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You continuously build straw man arguments that are essentially lies to further your agenda, and this is no different.
I am talking about the very capable women they lied about, slandered, and forced out. I like them, a lot.

Now we know they are hiding evidence. Canadians deserve better, and you have no moral position when corruption is okay when your party does it.

You invest a lot of your life here. Why not do it with integrity?
Straw man argument.

And your integrity question?
This all came out, there is no question it was done for monetary gain, no decision was overturned and nothing that is 'corrupt' really happened.
Sure, he exerted extra pressure, but he still allowed the AJ to make and live by her decision.

Its just politics, not corruption here.
 

whiteshaft

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I do not agree with this part at all. What they have done here is very specific, and outrageous.

Keep in mind they also withheld evidence for the report. Why? What are they hiding we do not know about?

This reeks of when the provincial Liberals did forensic destruction of evidence. These are criminal activities. We deserve better.

Add in his complete bungling of trade and he has put Canada in an extremely weak position. This is not surprising given he has zero qualifications for the job.
He was a very qualified drama teacher in his previous career!
 

Butler1000

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Straw man argument.

And your integrity question?
This all came out, there is no question it was done for monetary gain, no decision was overturned and nothing that is 'corrupt' really happened.
Sure, he exerted extra pressure, but he still allowed the AJ to make and live by her decision.

Its just politics, not corruption here.
Yes there is. You don't have to succeed to commit a crime. Just try.

Anyway in this case the ballot box awaits. And much much sooner this time.
 

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I've said it before but it needs to be repeated.

SNC Lavalin are staunch Federalists, they supported the Liberal governments through two Quebec referendums. In government as in business you look after your allies. Trudeau has been trying to keep them from moving their head office to France. He wouldn't have been taken in by JWR endgame if that weren't true.
What was his strategy? Did he tell them - "Stay here and my government will always look the other way when you do something illegal."
 

Butler1000

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What did he do that was wrong?
Judging from recent reports coming out he allowed a corporation under indictment to not only lobby but outright change Canadian law to their favor.

When the CEO of SNC Lavalin meets with Morneau in Switzerland at Davos and is basically given marching orders to change the law soonest by including it in the budget I'd say that's cause for concern.

In fact it's about as pay for play as it gets.
 

Frankfooter

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Judging from recent reports coming out he allowed a corporation under indictment to not only lobby but outright change Canadian law to their favor.

When the CEO of SNC Lavalin meets with Morneau in Switzerland at Davos and is basically given marching orders to change the law soonest by including it in the budget I'd say that's cause for concern.

In fact it's about as pay for play as it gets.
I see, so you now think corporations shouldn't be allowed to lobby government?
 
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