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GameBoy27

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Check the massive list of ethics issues with Harper and contrast it with this one from Trudeau.
https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/
I love your logic. You sound like a child who gets caught stealing a candy bar and uses the excuse, "well Johnny stole more than I did." lol

Now did Canada's ethics commissioner ever find Harper in violation the rules? I believe Trudeau is the first sitting Prime Minister to have that honour. Oh wait, he's been found guilty of violating the ethics rules, twice!


No no no! You got it wrong! He accepts the report, but he does not agree with it! Trudeau-logic at work!

The bigger issue is they are still hiding evidence. He is already in violation, but how deep does this go? Time to bring in the forensic auditors. There is always a money trail.
That is a fact. There should be an inquiry into this so as no stone is left unturned.
 

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I love your logic. You sound like a child who gets caught stealing a candy bar and uses the excuse, "well Johnny stole more than I did." lol

Now did Canada's ethics commissioner ever find Harper in violation the rules? I believe Trudeau is the first sitting Prime Minister to have that honour. Oh wait, he's been found guilty of violating the ethics rules, twice!
Same violation though. Conflict of interest both times.

If you believe Harper had no idea his own Chief of Staff was bribing Mike Duffy, then Harper wasn't in violation of the rules. Absent tapes or other evidence of what really went on in the PMO, the Ethics Commissioner chose to believe a PM was that ignorant (not to say derelict), and Wright took the fall for his boss.

"They never proved anything about Stevie'', isn't a very effective defence, either.
 
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Many of the offended commenters happily turn a blind eye to Trump's transgressions in the field of obstruction and meddling , yet they lose their shit over Trudeau's comparatively miniscule blunders. Such is the nature of kneejerk partisanism.
 
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Many of the offended commenters happily turn a blind eye to Trump's transgressions in the field of obstruction and meddling , yet they lose their shit over Trudeau's comparatively miniscule blunders. Such is the nature of kneejerk partisanism.
Wow, can't believe it took 78 posts until someone rolled out the Trump card! Maybe there is hope!
 

Butler1000

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Are you claiming contributing to a political party is briber?
When its large and comes with strings attached yes.

In this case between that and threats to move and blaming Trudeau for it they covered all the bases from bribery to extortion.

Beyond that I'd say the lobbyist system is specifically designed now to allow corporations to funnel money, and politicians and cronies to easily slide between the public and private sectors.

Crony capitalism at its finest.
 

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When its large and comes with strings attached yes.
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So then why aren't you arguing for less corporate lobbying and political donations instead of attacking just this one 'possible' case?
Why do you support Trump and his corporate greed and criminal acts yet whine about one non-event as a major crime?
 

Butler1000

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So then why aren't you arguing for less corporate lobbying and political donations instead of attacking just this one 'possible' case?
Why do you support Trump and his corporate greed and criminal acts yet whine about one non-event as a major crime?
I have and continue to do so. We are alot better than down south but I firmly believe that anyone elected should be banned from lobbying FOR LIFE. FULL STOP.

As well several senior government positions appointed should be banned as well.

I would also at this point ban all political fundraising dinners and meet and greets. Let all donations be given online so the money and donator can be tracked. That way it's solely about issues and not access.

Term limits would also be nice. At all levels of govt. 4 would suffice. And perhaps 6 in total.
 

Frankfooter

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I have and continue to do so. We are alot better than down south but I firmly believe that anyone elected should be banned from lobbying FOR LIFE. FULL STOP.

As well several senior government positions appointed should be banned as well.

I would also at this point ban all political fundraising dinners and meet and greets. Let all donations be given online so the money and donator can be tracked. That way it's solely about issues and not access.

Term limits would also be nice. At all levels of govt. 4 would suffice. And perhaps 6 in total.
The liberals, both federal and provincial, have supported more controls on lobbying than the conservatives.
Yet here you are again attacking the liberals, like you attack Sanders' policies.
 

Butler1000

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The liberals, both federal and provincial, have supported more controls on lobbying than the conservatives.
Yet here you are again attacking the liberals, like you attack Sanders' policies.
They pay lip service to it while taking the cash and offering sweetheart deals to corporations and actually changing the law to benefit them in a CRIMINAL case.

Actions speak far louder than words. It's a lie they will actually implement anything.

Just like electoral reform. As soon as it was a clear choice for proportional representation and not their preferred ranked ballot they dropped to line a hot potato.

The Liberal party are in fact and deed in need of another spanking at the ballot box.

Please also note I've said this a few times and I will say it again.

I don't care who you vote for, just don't vote for the Liberals.

Instead of propping up a bad actor, why not support the NDP and Greens instead? Why reward bad behavior?
 

Frankfooter

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They pay lip service to it while taking the cash and offering sweetheart deals to corporations and actually changing the law to benefit them in a CRIMINAL case.

Actions speak far louder than words. It's a lie they will actually implement anything.

Just like electoral reform. As soon as it was a clear choice for proportional representation and not their preferred ranked ballot they dropped to line a hot potato.

The Liberal party are in fact and deed in need of another spanking at the ballot box.

Please also note I've said this a few times and I will say it again.

I don't care who you vote for, just don't vote for the Liberals.

Instead of propping up a bad actor, why not support the NDP and Greens instead? Why reward bad behavior?
Sure, and you think Scheer will do this the way that you think Trump is doing it in the US?
That's like picking the axe murderer cause your other choice admitted he was caught jaywalking
 

Butler1000

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Sure, and you think Scheer will do this the way that you think Trump is doing it in the US?
That's like picking the axe murderer cause your other choice admitted he was caught jaywalking
You keep wanting to convince people to support someone who is now proven to be corrupt and a liar. All because you fear that an opponent might be that.

And I'm saying vote in every party, get a minority preferably, and go from there.

Again, if you are against corruption, then Trudeau has to go. Or, you are enabling it in the name of partisanship.
 

Frankfooter

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You keep wanting to convince people to support someone who is now proven to be corrupt and a liar. All because you fear that an opponent might be that.

And I'm saying vote in every party, get a minority preferably, and go from there.

Again, if you are against corruption, then Trudeau has to go. Or, you are enabling it in the name of partisanship.
As a Trump supporter, using the word 'corrupt' to describe a process where no money changed hands or would have changed hands is the height of bullshit hypocrisy, butler.
Cranking the hyperbole up to 11 just makes you sound shrill and ridiculous.

Trump = corrupt
Trudeau pushed for leniency but allowed the process to complete as it was, in an argument for jobs, that's not 'corruption', not by a long shot.
 

Butler1000

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As a Trump supporter, using the word 'corrupt' to describe a process where no money changed hands or would have changed hands is the height of bullshit hypocrisy, butler.
Cranking the hyperbole up to 11 just makes you sound shrill and ridiculous.

Trump = corrupt
Trudeau pushed for leniency but allowed the process to complete as it was, in an argument for jobs, that's not 'corruption', not by a long shot.
Lol. Projecting lies again?

And of course having to bring in Trump. You really are incapable of a rational conversation.

You can't give a good reason to continue to support the Liberals under Trudeau so that's your go to.

The electorate is feeling differently.

You seem to think it's just about one thing. It isn't. It's a litany of lies, broken promises and Incompetence. And of even being a public embarrassment. Of his lack of transparency and accountability.

He promised to be different. I didn't believe it at the time. And he has proven me right.
 

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Lol. Projecting lies again?

And of course having to bring in Trump. You really are incapable of a rational conversation.

You can't give a good reason to continue to support the Liberals under Trudeau so that's your go to.

The electorate is feeling differently.

You seem to think it's just about one thing. It isn't. It's a litany of lies, broken promises and Incompetence. And of even being a public embarrassment. Of his lack of transparency and accountability.

He promised to be different. I didn't believe it at the time. And he has proven me right.
:popcorn::whoo:
 

Frankfooter

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Lol. Projecting lies again?

And of course having to bring in Trump. You really are incapable of a rational conversation.

You can't give a good reason to continue to support the Liberals under Trudeau so that's your go to.

The electorate is feeling differently.

You seem to think it's just about one thing. It isn't. It's a litany of lies, broken promises and Incompetence. And of even being a public embarrassment. Of his lack of transparency and accountability.

He promised to be different. I didn't believe it at the time. And he has proven me right.
blah, blah, blah.

Sorry, butler, but you're way over the top here.
Applying the word 'corruption' to an incident of pressure that didn't even effect the final decision and where no money changed hands is over the top.
 

Butler1000

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blah, blah, blah.

Sorry, butler, but you're way over the top here.
Applying the word 'corruption' to an incident of pressure that didn't even effect the final decision and where no money changed hands is over the top.
The corruption goes back to changing the law in the first place. Specifically to assist SNC Lavalin.

When corporations can successfully lobby to change laws for crimes they committed that's the definition of corruption.
 

Frankfooter

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The corruption goes back to changing the law in the first place. Specifically to assist SNC Lavalin.
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They put in place a law that is in place in quite a few other countries.
Nothing corrupt about that either.

Try again.
 

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The corruption goes back to changing the law in the first place. Specifically to assist SNC Lavalin.
The "SNC Amendment", after the crime had already been committed, was buried in a huge Budget omnibus bill to avoid scrutiny. Not very transparent.
 

Butler1000

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They put in place a law that is in place in quite a few other countries.
Nothing corrupt about that either.

Try again.
It was confirmed Morneau met with the CEO of SNC Lavalin at Davos in Switzerland. He recieved a report on why they should create the law. And was even told by him to put the law in the Budget bill.

I don't care if other countries choose to allow corporations to buy their way out of criminal charges.

Why the hell would you defend that?
 
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