SPs posting numbers on the internet

Sophia Sinclair · Jul 21, 2019

Jessica Rain said:
Her post says she should have screened. You disagree with screening and say that a woman like her should not be seen because she screens.

So if she doesn't screen she gets assaulted. If she does screen she has haters like yourself saying she should not be seen. If she posts about it, she is posting a guys info she should not be trusted with personal info. It is a lose lose lose for her. How is that fair?

You know my point is valid. You and others always speak in absolutes with your statements. It is always "ALL" indies who screen should be avoid. This thread started as an absolute about women who post numbers and personal info on Twitter and took me, Sophia and a few other gentlemen to change the tone back to what it should be.

If you have a non-violent client, he should be reported to one of the many bad client lists

If it is a violent offence, the SP should hopefully report it to police but also posting about what happen with some of his details to warn other ladies is ok.

And

If you want to see an indie, do you research. Search reviews, her site, her ads, GIS, her twitter and see if you feel comfortable with her screening policy. If you are not, move on to another lady you are more comfortable with.

Not "Don't go see indies at all".

That is always the first statement from you guys. And then you start to say, "not you Jess". Or "I was not talking about escorts like you Sophia".

You should not be speaking in absolutes at all. Then you wouldn't have to backtrack and make concessions to your original statement all the time.

The problem is that many do not thoroughly read through threads. Hence why you sometimes see a disclaimer, especially on a lengthy thread, that the poster didn't read the whole thread so if the point they're about to make has already been made they apologize. When you make blanket statements, trying to educate/influence others, they may miss the one post about how it doesn't apply to provider S or J. The newbie then goes on my or J's site and sees that we screen, especially because we both work from our homes, which is probably unknown to them as well. Wait, so and so member doesn't recommend ladies that screen. To heck with them. Whether it was your intention or not you have just hurt our business and therefore our livelihood. We don't interfere with your business and livelihood so please stop messing with ours. Think before you speak or in this case, post. Also. note no capitals. I'm not the one in effect yelling.

Grimnul · Jul 21, 2019

But I was being diverse! I mentioned Korean Oreo-Os, which are only available at H Mart, as far as I know. I’m progressive when it comes to cereal! Not my thing, but if you want to do strawberry milk with your Oreo-Os, have at it, or hell, you could use Korean banana milk. That would be very interesting and special in its own way.

Please don’t send me before the human rights tribunals for being a cereal bigot! #notallbowls

Knuckle Ball · Jul 21, 2019

Sophia Sinclair said:
The problem is that many do not thoroughly read through threads. Hence why you sometimes see a disclaimer, especially on a lengthy thread, that the poster didn't read the whole thread so if the point they're about to make has already been made they apologize. When you make blanket statements, trying to educate/influence others, they may miss the one post about how it doesn't apply to provider S or J. The newbie then goes on my or J's site and sees that we screen, especially because we both work from our homes, which is probably unknown to them as well. Wait, so and so member doesn't recommend ladies that screen. To heck with them. Whether it was your intention or not you have just hurt our business and therefore our livelihood. We don't interfere with your business and livelihood so please stop messing with ours. Think before you speak or in this case, post. Also. note no capitals. I'm not the one in effect yelling.

Actually, sp’s do mess with clients’ business and livelihood when they Out clients’ personal info on Twitter.

As far as screening, rates, etc go...it’s a competitive market place. Guys exchange info on forums like this to avoid unsafe providers and get the best value for their money. Clients don’t really care how this affects escorts’ business nor should they.

How sp’s run their biz is up to them. How clients spend their money is the client’s choice. If there is an intersection of the two then there is the potential for a business deal.

No one is telling you how to run your biz...please don’t tell us how to choose our escorts.

Knuckle Ball · Jul 21, 2019

As an aside, I have often wondered why it is that, generally speaking, the SP’s who charge the highest rates also tend to have the most intrusive screening procedures. These SP’s are obviously seeing more affluent clients who, statistically speaking, are the least likely to rob or assault them.

It is the SP’s who charge lower rates and work out of shadier locations that one would imagine would be at the highest risk yet these escorts tend to do less intrusive screening that their more expensive counterparts.

Are rich guys actually more creepy and dangerous than less affluent clients? Or is the screening some sort of marker of luxury and exclusivity?

I dunno...just an observation.

Jasmine Raine · Jul 21, 2019

Knuckle Ball said:
Actually, sp’s do mess with clients’ business and livelihood when they Out clients’ personal info on Twitter.

As far as screening, rates, etc go...it’s a competitive market place. Guys exchange info on forums like this to avoid unsafe providers and get the best value for their money. Clients don’t really care how this affects escorts’ business nor should they.

How sp’s run their biz is up to them. How clients spend their money is the client’s choice. If there is an intersection of the two then there is the potential for a business deal.

No one is telling you how to run your biz...please don’t tell us how to choose our escorts.

First - I'm not saying you are tell me how to run my business and all I have ever told men about how to choose an escort is to do your homework first. So don't put words in my mouth that are not there.

squeezer said:
Why must you speak in absolutes! Why do you lump all cereals in the same bowl of Strawberry Milk? You do realize there are many many avenues for folks to choose their morning crunch and Lowblaws or Costco isn't the be-all and end-all of the Cereal road!!!!

Who is telling you or any other providers how to run their business? Never once have I said "Sophia, don't screen" " Jessica charge less" never ever would I do that! Charge and screen to your hearts desire but and YES THERE IS ALWAYS A BUT!!! I will say to my comrades,

"BoneRanger, I agree don't ever give your personal info to strangers and stop picking bones with Jess"
"Rocco, stick with that $350 for an entire night with that gorgeous SB"
"Grimnul, no need to pay $7.50 for that box of CrunchBerry at Fortino's, go to Walmart and pay $5.99 and soon you will save up $250 for a young beautiful lady"
"Rummy, do you need a friend, a consultant, someone who can expand your Twitter profile to new heights and all over a bowl of CocoaPuffs and White milk because some folks here are scared of sugar!"

My problem is what you do actually say. You tell men not to see me or Sophia. That is what you say and what I have problem with. And before you say that you don't say that, you do. When you tell men not to see indies but instead go see agency girls. When you say don't screen and don't see ladies who require screening. That is what you are telling men. To not see women like me and Sophia.

You don't mean to say that. You are not saying that directly about the two of us. Instead you come back into these and then make exceptions for myself and Sophia.

My question, why not tell men to do their homework like I do? Why not tell men that some indies are good and some are bad and you have to do your homework if you want to see an indie? Why do you have to say that you should absolutely not see indies, like myself and Sophia, because we screen?

Not that matters. You seem to think it is funny and something to make jokes about. So yes, you should absolutely not see indies and stick to agency girls. I guess I just wish you would stop tell men not to see someone like me because of what some other providers do. Stupid me for wanting to be judge on my merit.

Have a great day squeezer. I suspect this will be last time I bother you on this topic.

The "Bone" Ranger · Jul 21, 2019

Sophia, you brought your name into this thread by posting in it, nobody brought you up.

Other SPs that are posting customer information on public websites are hurting your business/livelihood and you need to be criticizing them rather than us.

Sophia Sinclair said:
The problem is that many do not thoroughly read through threads. Hence why you sometimes see a disclaimer, especially on a lengthy thread, that the poster didn't read the whole thread so if the point they're about to make has already been made they apologize. When you make blanket statements, trying to educate/influence others, they may miss the one post about how it doesn't apply to provider S or J. The newbie then goes on my or J's site and sees that we screen, especially because we both work from our homes, which is probably unknown to them as well. Wait, so and so member doesn't recommend ladies that screen. To heck with them. Whether it was your intention or not you have just hurt our business and therefore our livelihood. We don't interfere with your business and livelihood so please stop messing with ours. Think before you speak or in this case, post. Also. note no capitals. I'm not the one in effect yelling.

Jasmine Raine · Jul 21, 2019

The "Bone" Ranger said:
Sophia, you brought your name into this thread by posting in it, nobody brought you up.

Other SPs that are posting customer information on public websites are hurting your business/livelihood and you need to be criticizing them rather than us.

Excuse me! We do criticize it. And yes I'm speaking for SS but we all know she does as well.

FFS, I have personally gone to bat for you on twitter directly. Twice now!

Sorry it is was wrong to expect some of the same respect in return. It is duly noted not to bother anymore.

Thanks.

oil&gas · Jul 21, 2019

Knuckle Ball said:
Are rich guys actually more creepy and dangerous than less affluent clients? Or is the screening some sort of marker of luxury and exclusivity?

Marker of exclusivity sounds right at first glance. On second
thought what fool would point to a membership earned from
submission of his legal name and linkedin account just to be
screened for a business transaction he would rather hide
from others with pride?

From the perspective of the indie I can see that such tight
screening procedure does serve the purpose to garner a
stable of ideal docile clients. One thing the owner
of the stable has to worry about is for some of the
sheep quietly running away after the first visit
the worst thing a trusting gentleman
client could do. Offences such as no-show and
negative review would be highly unlikely given the
potentially damaging consequences to the offender.

Smallcock · Jul 21, 2019

It's only okay to post numbers if the SP knows that the man is married. Cheating on your wife is a sin before God. You disagree because you lack values.

Knuckle Ball · Jul 21, 2019

oil&gas said:
Marker of exclusivity sounds right at first glance. On second
thought what fool would point to a membership earned from
submission of his legal name and linkedin account just to be
screened for a business transaction he would rather hide
from others with pride?

From the perspective of the indie I can see that such tight
screening procedure does serve the purpose to garner a
stable of ideal docile clients. One thing the owner
of the stable has to worry about is for some of the
sheep quietly running away after the first visit
the worst thing a trusting gentleman
client could do. Offences such as no-show and
negative review would be highly unlikely given the
potentially damaging consequences to the offender.

I think it is like being granted admission to some sort of exclusive club. A lot of the higher end girls seem to know one another...so once you pay the membership fee and have your references screened you sorta get access to not just the sp you are seeing but her circle of friends.

So if a group of “courtesan”/“high end” girls work together this way they develop a shared stable of clients who circulate from one girl to the next with the occasional duo thrown in. I think it’s probably a business model that works well for a certain niche in the industry.

Knuckle Ball · Jul 21, 2019

Jessica Rain said:
First - I'm not saying you are tell me how to run my business and all I have ever told men about how to choose an escort is to do your homework first. So don't put words in my mouth that are not there.

My problem is what you do actually say. You tell men not to see me or Sophia. That is what you say and what I have problem with. And before you say that you don't say that, you do. When you tell men not to see indies but instead go see agency girls. When you say don't screen and don't see ladies who require screening. That is what you are telling men. To not see women like me and Sophia.

You don't mean to say that. You are not saying that directly about the two of us. Instead you come back into these and then make exceptions for myself and Sophia.

My question, why not tell men to do their homework like I do? Why not tell men that some indies are good and some are bad and you have to do your homework if you want to see an indie? Why do you have to say that you should absolutely not see indies, like myself and Sophia, because we screen?

Not that matters. You seem to think it is funny and something to make jokes about. So yes, you should absolutely not see indies and stick to agency girls. I guess I just wish you would stop tell men not to see someone like me because of what some other providers do. Stupid me for wanting to be judge on my merit.

Have a great day squeezer. I suspect this will be last time I bother you on this topic.

Well...I’m sure squeezer can speak for himself...but my answer to your question is this:

It doesn’t matter how well reviewed the indie might be; if you give out your personal info you are accepting a certain level of risk. For some of us, that risk is beyond our tolerance threshold.

I don’t see escorts that ask for personal info as part of their screening. I’m just not comfortable doing that. If I went ahead and did it anyway I would be a nervous wreck and would not enjoy the time with the sp. It’s better for both of us for me to stick to sp’s with less intrusive screening protocols.

If I was living in the US where as I understand it almost all sp’s AND agencies ask for personal info I simply would not see any escorts.

I don’t hobby that much compared to some of the other guys here. It’s not a huge part of my life. So when I do hobby it makes no sense for me to take on the risk of giving out personal info. This prevents me from seeing escorts who are probably great providers but I prefer to stay in my comfort zone.

Jasmine Raine · Jul 21, 2019

Knuckle Ball said:
Well...I’m sure squeezer can speak for himself...but my answer to your question is this:

It doesn’t matter how well reviewed the indie might be; if you give out your personal info you are accepting a certain level of risk. For some of us, that risk is beyond our tolerance threshold.

I don’t see escorts that ask for personal info as part of their screening. I’m just not comfortable doing that. If I went ahead and did it anyway I would be a nervous wreck and would not enjoy the time with the sp. It’s better for both of us for me to stick to sp’s with less intrusive screening protocols.

If I was living in the US where as I understand it almost all sp’s AND agencies ask for personal info I simply would not see any escorts.

I don’t hobby that much compared to some of the other guys here. It’s not a huge part of my life. So when I do hobby it makes no sense for me to take on the risk of giving out personal info. This prevents me from seeing escorts who are probably great providers but I prefer to stay in my comfort zone.

I wish squeezer would speak like you. You used "I" statements. It is about your personal risk which I understand. And totally accept.

Squeezer is more about telling other not to see escorts like me. For him it is about what others should do.

That is the difference.

Thank you for giving me the example to use to show the difference I am talking about.

Josephine Grey · Jul 21, 2019

Rummy said:
You are not a sexworker. How is it your business how sexworkers want to protect themselves? If you think that losing a couple hundred $$ per day from no shows is not posting worthy on twitter, than you should compensate those ladies for their time and the next lady and next lady.

If you are having a hundred of dollars of no shows a day, you are doing something wrong.

Nothing is worth posting on Twitter unless you get assaulted, raped, abused, or other money or life threatening issues.

Josephine Grey · Jul 21, 2019

I would add that any kind of negativity towards your clients affect your image. Think twice before throwing a tentrum on Twitter.

Josephine Grey · Jul 21, 2019

Rummy said:
Hell im puzzled why anyone would see a terbite. All you guys sound too dangerous and sexworkers should avoid you all.

I only see clients from the board and I can count on my fingers the problems I have had. Never been shorted, low balled, disrespected or had a really bad date. They have more expectations yes, their online personna is not always the kindest but in person it was 95% all good. I chose to make less money since I do not really post often on Leolist but hobbyist chose to see us as a hobby and they are good a loyal client when you give your best.

Sophia Sinclair · Jul 21, 2019

Jessica Rain said:
Excuse me! We do criticize it. And yes I'm speaking for SS but we all know she does as well.

FFS, I have personally gone to bat for you on twitter directly. Twice now!

Sorry it is was wrong to expect some of the same respect in return. It is duly noted not to bother anymore.

Thanks.

You can absolutely speak for me JR because I reach out to you when I feel it important to privately inform other ladies of TWs, rude clients, etc. here.

Long time members should be aware that I had a stalker and didn't report him on Twitter, only to the police because as far as I know he was only a problem for me. Both the female officer and I did everything in our power to save him from himself. She wanted to go to his home but I didn't want to involve his family. I asked her to phone him first, informing him to not contact me and that if he does charges will be laid. My thinking was that although he doesn't listen to me he'll listen to a voice of authority. She respected my wishes but he didn't and texted me after that. She again called him telling him to turn himself in as there's now a warrant out for his arrest rather than going to his home, which would have involved his family. I don't know if he turned himself in or if she eventually went to his home or if they pulled him over for some other reason and discovered the warrant, but I do know that he went to court. Within the year I was informed that he had somehow died. He was a member here and on other boards. I blame this and other problems on less stringent screening by me in the past.

Without members knowing this many will not book me because of the crusade on here by some members due to the actions of a few bad apples, not me.

By the way, many male members I talk to are sick and tired of these threads as well.

I know the owner of a business that got bad reviews on yelp, etc. due to a former disgruntled employee who was getting their friends to go on these types of sites trashing his bar. There was nothing he could do about it as it's very hard to prove that. Sound familiar? Either way, it's wrong!

squeezer · Jul 21, 2019

Jessica Rain said:
I wish squeezer would speak like you. You used "I" statements. It is about your personal risk which I understand. And totally accept.

Squeezer is more about telling other not to see escorts like me. For him it is about what others should do.

That is the difference.

Thank you for giving me the example to use to show the difference I am talking about.

I do speak for myself but I want to make it clear we all have choices. Any newbie coming to this "review board" should realize they have a choice on how much they spend and how much of their info they wish to share. It's important to realize price does NOT mean better service or sub-par service and secondly screening is not the norm in Canada and depending on the pooners risk level, they can make up their own mind once the facts have been presented.

I see many successful indies on Twitter that heavily screen and are priced at fool's rates and are bringing the boys in, scoring flymetoyou, gift cards for doing nothing therefore obviously not many men are listening to invisible me!

Isabelle 5522 said:
I would add that any kind of negativity towards your clients affect your image. Think twice before throwing a tentrum on Twitter.

Well said young lady!

squeezer · Jul 21, 2019

Sophia Sinclair said:
You can absolutely speak for me JR because I reach out to you when I feel it important to privately inform other ladies of TWs, rude clients, etc. here.

Long time members should be aware that I had a stalker and didn't report him on Twitter, only to the police because as far as I know he was only a problem for me. Both the female officer and I did everything in our power to save him from himself. She wanted to go to his home but I didn't want to involve his family. I asked her to phone him first, informing him to not contact me and that if he does charges will be laid. My thinking was that although he doesn't listen to me he'll listen to a voice of authority. She respected my wishes but he didn't and texted me after that. She again called him telling him to turn himself in as there's now a warrant out for his arrest rather than going to his home, which would have involved his family. I don't know if he turned himself in or if she eventually went to his home or if they pulled him over for some other reason and discovered the warrant, but I do know that he went to court. Within the year I was informed that he had somehow died. He was a member here and on other boards. I blame this and other problems on less stringent screening by me in the past.

Without members knowing this many will not book me because of the crusade on here by some members due to the actions of a few bad apples, not me.

I know the owner of a business that got bad reviews on yelp, etc. due to a former disgruntled employee who was getting their friends to go on these sites trashing his bar. There was nothing he could do about it as it's very hard to prove that. Sound familiar? Either way, it's wrong!

You did the right thing with the stalker and it's safer without him. I don't know about the crusade against you, I 've not heard anything negative from anyone towards you personally.

thumper18474 · Jul 21, 2019

You guys and your cereal phobias
Cant we all just get along

FYI...it took me years to get those trix and ill be damned if Im gonna give'em up cus of some court order

fall · Jul 21, 2019

Jessica Rain said:
My problem is what you do actually say. You tell men not to see me or Sophia. That is what you say and what I have problem with. And before you say that you don't say that, you do. When you tell men not to see indies but instead go see agency girls. When you say don't screen and don't see ladies who require screening. That is what you are telling men. To not see women like me and Sophia.

And here, I think, is an important point of disagreement. Yes, SPs have the right to screen and charge high rates. But so are the terbies have the right to tell other guys not to see SPs who screen too heavy or charge too high rates. So, my problem now is that Jessica has a problem with our right to say that clients should avoid certain type of SPs. I guess, next step would be for someone to have a problem with my statement above.

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