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Iranian gun boats tried, failed to seize British oil tanker in Persian Gulf..

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I'm sure the British have more firepower in the gulf if needed and the US will for sure lend a hand. Iranians looking for more trouble...

Five Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gunboats tried to seize a British oil tanker in the Persian Gulf Wednesday but backed off after a British warship approached, a senior U.S. defense official told Fox News.

The British warship was said to have been less than 5 miles behind the tanker but soon intercepted the Iranian boats and threatened to open fire. A manned U.S. reconnaissance aircraft was above as well, the official said, adding that Iranian forces left without opening fire.

Navy Captain Bill Urban, spokesman for the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), said the military was aware of the reported actions. He added, “Threats to international freedom of navigation require an international solution. The world economy depends on the free flow of commerce, and it is incumbent on all nations to protect and preserve this lynchpin of global prosperity.”
The British frigate was identified as the HMS Monstrose, according to CNN, which was first to report the encounter.
The incident was the latest in a series of provocations between the Islamic Republic and the West. British forces last week seized an Iranian supertanker that officials believed was operating in violation of European Union sanctions. The British Royal Marines captured the vessel in Gibraltar after believing it was trying to provide crude oil to Syria, an ally of Iran.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani warned that Britain would face repercussions over the seizure.
Last month, Iran shot down a U.S. drone over the Strait of Hormuz, a vital waterway separating Iran from the United Arab Emirates. Oil exporters transport around 22 million barrels of oil per day through the strait.
U.S. officials also blamed Iran for attacks on six oil tankers in the area. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has accused the regime of trying to disrupt the flow of oil in the area.
Tensions between Iran and the U.S. have escalated in recent weeks and could spiral downward after Iran admitted Monday it surpassed uranium enrichment levels that were set by the Iran nuclear agreement in 2015.

President Trump pulled the U.S. out of the deal last year but several EU nations remained involved. Those countries -- Russia, China, Germany, France, Britain, and the European Union -- have called on Iran to stick to its commitments under the deal.
Iran has abandoned restraint in recent months as it seeks relief from U.S. sanctions. The republic has asked the deal's signatories to provide economic incentives in exchange for the de-escalation of its nuclear program.

Trump has indicated he will impose additional sanctions on Iran and urged those nations not to give in to its demands.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/irani...-persian-gulf-senior-us-defense-official-says
 

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UK sends second warship to Gulf after Iran threats over tanker seized off Gibraltar

Tensions are mounting in the Gulf after a Royal Navy warship deterred Iranian patrol boats trying to impede a British tanker.

LONDON - Britain will send a second warship to the Gulf, officials said Friday, temporarily deploying two vessels near Tehran's waters as tensions surge after armed Iranian boats threatened a British oil tanker.
Government officials said the move was part of a pre-planned rotation and was meant to ensure a continued British naval presence in one of the most important but volatile oil shipping routes in the world.
The decision was announced days after the British government raised the alert level in the waters around Iran to its highest level.

A government spokesman said the HMS Duncan was "deploying to the region to ensure we maintain a continuous maritime security presence while HMS Montrose comes off task for pre-planned maintenance and crew change over".
The HMS Montrose was forced to warn off three fast Iranian gunboats on Wednesday that UK officials said were trying to "impede" the progress of a British supertanker through the Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf.

A source with knowledge of the matter said Duncan's deployment was being moved forward by a number of days and that the two ships will be stationed in the Gulf together during a temporary transition period.
The incident near the Strait of Hormuz occurred a week after UK Royal Marines helped the Gibraltar authorities detain an Iranian tanker that US officials believe was trying to deliver oil to Syria in violation of separate sets of EU and US sanctions.
A source said the UK government decided at the start of the week to raise the alert level for ships travelling through Iranian waters to three on a three-point scale.
The decision means that Britain views the security threat in Iranian waters for commercial ships as "critical".

Sky News television reported that HMS Duncan will not be part of the international military escort team for vessels in the Gulf being proposed by the United States.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1711568/uk-says-sending-second-warship-to-gulf
 

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This was a pretty pathetic attempt at piracy by the worlds largest state sponsor of terror.

If they want to keep their despotic regimen they’ll want to be careful as the vice tightens.
 

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Hope they are just bluffing each other back and forth. It would be tragic if they start another Vietnam war!
I don’t see Trump as a boots on the ground nation building POTUS. I think he’s more, neuter your military, hit your infrastructure and watch you suffer.
 

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Anybody that thinks Iran would provoke an attack on itself by sending some machine gun carrying gun boats to attack an oil tanker guarded by British Marines is either a troll or an idiot. And anybody that believes the British Military works for the British people and not the City of London is even more of an idiot.
 

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British have just told Iran that they'll release the tanker if it doesn't go to Siria.
 

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Combined with Iran's abandonment of their side of the nuclear deal (exceeding their cap of 3%, enriching past 3%, IAEA finding radiation at a secret site), they sure have a good deal of blame in any tensions going on right now. Doesn't look like Iran has any interest in talks and is simply hoping that China or Russia will buy their oil.
 

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Combined with Iran's abandonment of their side of the nuclear deal (exceeding their cap of 3%, enriching past 3%, IAEA finding radiation at a secret site), they sure have a good deal of blame in any tensions going on right now. Doesn't look like Iran has any interest in talks and is simply hoping that China or Russia will buy their oil.
Iran's move make diplomatic sense, actually.
The US pulled out of the JPOA but Iran kept honouring the agreement hoping that it could be continued.
After 2 years the US instead just upped sanctions and pressure.
So Iran stated that by the rules of the JPOA once one side pulls out it becomes in doubt and they can protest the agreement and do not have to be held to it.
They instead publicly stated that they would increase enrichment a tiny amount in order to pressure the US to do something, hopefully go back to the table.

Instead Rump put in more sanctions and then the UK seized a ship.

Really Rump should just go back to the table and tell them what he wants at least.
 

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Combined with Iran's abandonment of their side of the nuclear deal (exceeding their cap of 3%, enriching past 3%, IAEA finding radiation at a secret site), they sure have a good deal of blame in any tensions going on right now. Doesn't look like Iran has any interest in talks and is simply hoping that China or Russia will buy their oil.
A deal is a two way street. Iran agreed to those terms in return for trade normalization. The other signatories have not delivered. If you buy a car do you expect to drive away without paying?
 

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Iran's move make diplomatic sense, actually.
The US pulled out of the JPOA but Iran kept honouring the agreement hoping that it could be continued.
After 2 years the US instead just upped sanctions and pressure.
So Iran stated that by the rules of the JPOA once one side pulls out it becomes in doubt and they can protest the agreement and do not have to be held to it.
They instead publicly stated that they would increase enrichment a tiny amount in order to pressure the US to do something, hopefully go back to the table.

Instead Rump put in more sanctions and then the UK seized a ship.

Really Rump should just go back to the table and tell them what he wants at least.
Fact is, short of regime change, he has NO FUCKING CLUE what he wants. They should stop fucking around and do an atmospheric nuclear test in the Arabian sea, thats the only way they can be soverign. I think that is where they will head now, but they will ratchet it up gradually to try and avoid a war. When they are close they will conduct some very serious missile tests, and detail exactly what nasty WMD they have to load on the rockets TODAY, VX, pathogens, dirty bombs, Sarin, mustard gas. Then they will say they never wanted a bomb, but will now leave the JCPOA with regret and will be open to returning to it ONLY if sanctions are first lifted without condition. Then they will work 7x24x365. Expect a mushroom cloud in the Arabian sea or in the Iranian desert in 12-18 months.
 

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Fact is, short of regime change, he has NO FUCKING CLUE what he wants. They should stop fucking around and do an atmospheric nuclear test in the Arabian sea, thats the only way they can be soverign. I think that is where they will head now, but they will ratchet it up gradually to try and avoid a war. When they are close they will conduct some very serious missile tests, and detail exactly what nasty WMD they have to load on the rockets TODAY, VX, pathogens, dirty bombs, Sarin, mustard gas. Then they will say they never wanted a bomb, but will now leave the JCPOA with regret and will be open to returning to it ONLY if sanctions are first lifted without condition. Then they will work 7x24x365. Expect a mushroom cloud in the Arabian sea or in the Iranian desert in 12-18 months.
Its been reported that Trump pulled out of the JCPOA only because Obama supported it.

So stupid.
 

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Iran's move make diplomatic sense, actually....
Really? Do you think it diplomatically makes sense to go back to the policies that inspired UN sanctions in the first place?


p.s. The oil embargo on Syria is also backed by the EU. Sadly you seem to support wonderful regimes like Assad and the Mullahs though.
 

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A deal is a two way street. Iran agreed to those terms in return for trade normalization. The other signatories have not delivered. If you buy a car do you expect to drive away without paying?
Iran's enrichment and secrecy are the things that got the UN to impose sanctions which massively hurt the Iranian people. Is that the end goal you want?
 

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Iran's enrichment and secrecy are the things that got the UN to impose sanctions which massively hurt the Iranian people. Is that the end goal you want?
Why would Iran sign another deal with the US when the US refused to honour their side of it and end sanctions?
 

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The only country that has defeated the Royal Navy in battle in the past 1,000 years was the JIN in WW II.

BTW: Russia is an oil exporter so they don't need Iranian oil.
 

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Why would Iran sign another deal with the US when the US refused to honour their side of it and end sanctions?
The deal was the better option than continuing UN sanctions. Typical of your political agenda, you choose to ignore that the crippling sanctions that forced the deal were an UN initiative and caused by Iran's actions.

There are two options. One is Iran continue its suspicious nuclear program, their massive enrichment capacity, and secret nuclear sites and go right back to being a world pariah. The other is to show the world that their nuclear program is reasonable for their civilian needs and try to improve their economic conditions. Sadly you are choosing the former because you like the idea of Iran having the potential for nuclear weapons.
 

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The only country that has defeated the Royal Navy in battle in the past 1,000 years was the JIN in WW II. ...
I'd hesitate to say that as the Brit's naval force in the Pacific was essentially comprised of outdated equipment.

I would count the Bismark vs Hood battle a loss for the Brits even if they were eventually able to get revenge.
 
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