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Iranian gun boats tried, failed to seize British oil tanker in Persian Gulf..

Frankfooter

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The deal was the better option than continuing UN sanctions. Typical of your political agenda, you choose to ignore that the crippling sanctions that forced the deal were an UN initiative and caused by Iran's actions.

There are two options. One is Iran continue its suspicious nuclear program, their massive enrichment capacity, and secret nuclear sites and go right back to being a world pariah. The other is to show the world that their nuclear program is reasonable for their civilian needs and try to improve their economic conditions. Sadly you are choosing the former because you like the idea of Iran having the potential for nuclear weapons.
Sorry, that's just an ignorant post.

Iran is a signatory of the NPT and was abiding by it and the extra terms negotiated through the JCPOA before Trump pulled the US out because it was an Obama treaty and he hates Obama.
Iran's nuclear industry is still under inspections and according to the treaty, if one side pulls out and the treaty is in doubt then Iran can't be held to the terms.
 

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Apparently, the UK have confirmed that there were no UK Citizens aboard their tanker. So it must be based offshore.

There was a Liberian Tanker that was also seized. But apparently it has been allowed to proceed on its way. There is no doubt that if there are sanctions on Iranian Oil, then they want to block all oil from moving through the Straits of Hormuz. Apparently, there is a US cargo ship that is being guarded by US aircraft as it makes it's way through those waters.

What an unnecessary mess by this Trump administration!!
 

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There were 23 crew aboard the Stena Impero, according to the statement from its owner, and currently there are no reports that any have suffered injury. Hunt said both vessels had crews comprised of a "range of nationalities," but noted there were no British citizens on board either ship.
 

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Apparently, the UK have confirmed that there were no UK Citizens aboard their tanker. So it must be based offshore.

There was a Liberian Tanker that was also seized. But apparently it has been allowed to proceed on its way...
Ships used in international waters are registered in a country that is not necessarily that of the owner or crew. The ship seized was British flagged but owned by a Swedish company and the crew was the typical international mishmash.

What an unnecessary mess by this Trump administration!!
Do you also hold Iran accountable for the role they have been playing?
 

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The ship was in Oman's waters. The Iranians showed thugs grappling down the chopper. The Brits should've had commandos on the tankers and shoot their Iranians asses off.
 

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Its tit for tat politics after the UK seized a tanker.
It should be solved diplomatically.
 

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The Iranians are gambling trying to show they can push back, Trudeau and Canada should boycott all Iranian products....
 

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Ships used in international waters are registered in a country that is not necessarily that of the owner or crew. The ship seized was British flagged but owned by a Swedish company and the crew was the typical international mishmash.


Do you also hold Iran accountable for the role they have been playing?
Iran was not the one to violate a deal that was struck between the two countries. This administration scrapped it just to appease their base.
Well it looks like the Iranians took the bait.

How about you? Do you hold this administration accountable for the way they conducted this whole affair??
 

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Its tit for tat politics after the UK seized a tanker.
It should be solved diplomatically.
So you think seizing a British flagged vessel for bullshit maritime law violations is equivalent to enforcing the EU embargo on Syria?
 

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Iran was not the one to violate a deal that was struck between the two countries. This administration scrapped it just to appease their base.
Well it looks like the Iranians took the bait.

How about you? Do you hold this administration accountable for the way they conducted this whole affair??
The deal was implemented as a resolution to lengthy UN sanctions on Iran because of their enrichment activities and other suspicious related activities. Yes, the US walked from the deal but Iran easily could have continued with reasonable actions to keep the IAEA and UN satisfied. Instead they go back to the exact activities that inspired the UN sanctions in the first place.

Sorry but Iran has no peaceful justification for that massive enrichment capacity, no justification for adding to their 3% surplus, and no justification for enriching beyond 3%. Add in that the next IAEA report is supposed to include evidence of Iran hiding radioactive material. Sure the US rejection of the deal has been a precipitating action but Iran should be held accountable for their choices to escalate politically and in their nuclear program.
 

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The deal was implemented as a resolution to lengthy UN sanctions on Iran because of their enrichment activities and other suspicious related activities. Yes, the US walked from the deal but Iran easily could have continued with reasonable actions to keep the IAEA and UN satisfied. Instead they go back to the exact activities that inspired the UN sanctions in the first place.

Sorry but Iran has no peaceful justification for that massive enrichment capacity, no justification for adding to their 3% surplus, and no justification for enriching beyond 3%. Add in that the next IAEA report is supposed to include evidence of Iran hiding radioactive material. Sure the US rejection of the deal has been a precipitating action but Iran should be held accountable for their choices to escalate politically and in their nuclear program.
As long as Iran complied with the IAEA Nuclear Deal, then there was no need to cancel this whole treaty with them. It was a moronic decision that was designed to then implement a so called "new and much more better deal", just for boasting rights:

IAEA Report Says Iran Continues To Comply With Nuclear Deal:

The fresh IAEA quarterly report, however, found Iran continued to comply with the JCPOA and said its inspectors had been given unfettered access to Iranian nuclear facilities.

"Timely and proactive cooperation by Iran in providing such access facilitates implementation of the additional protocol and enhances confidence," the report stated, referring to the procedure detailing safeguards and tools for verification.

According to the IAEA report, Iran's heavy water stockpile rose from 124.8 tons in February to 125.2 tons as of May 26. That’s still below the 130-ton limit.

Its stock of low-enriched uranium was 174.1 kilograms as of May 20, up from 163.8 kilograms in February, the IAEA found. The limit set out by the JCPOA is 202.8 kilograms.

It added that Iran had not enriched any uranium above the level allowed by the JCPOA.

https://www.rferl.org/a/iaea-report-says-iran-continues-to-comply-with-nuclear-deal/29974795.html

If you have evidence that they did not comply with the deal, please provide it to the IAEA!!
 

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So you think seizing a British flagged vessel for bullshit maritime law violations is equivalent to enforcing the EU embargo on Syria?
Both bullshit politics, so yes, it is equivalent.

Really, if the UK wants Iran to abide by nuke treaties they should abide by them as well, and not back the US' sanctions.
 

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I have to say I’m surprised, I thought the Iranians were smarter than this. The issue they have to solve is sanctions, this doesn’t help that. They are not going to win any sort of naval engagement.
 

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I have to say I’m surprised, I thought the Iranians were smarter than this. The issue they have to solve is sanctions, this doesn’t help that. They are not going to win any sort of naval engagement.
They did try patience, even after Trump pulled out of the JCPOA they abided. Even afterwards when Trump added in sanctions. I think lately they've decided instead of waiting that they would try to show a little 'pressure' back, so the tiny increase in refinement and the tit for tat ship seizing.

Really they should just wait until Trump is done.
 

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They did try patience, even after Trump pulled out of the JCPOA they abided. Even afterwards when Trump added in sanctions. I think lately they've decided instead of waiting that they would try to show a little 'pressure' back, so the tiny increase in refinement and the tit for tat ship seizing.

Really they should just wait until Trump is done.
I don’t think they can make it 5 years without oil revenue.

Why the Brits, I get the tit-tat thing but they are driving the most likely US allies in Europe away from the Europe block. Not smart.
 

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As long as Iran complied with the IAEA Nuclear Deal, then there was no need to cancel this whole treaty with them....
Because of the multiple violations from their past activities, the UN/IAEA imposed crippling sanctions. If their actions led to sanctions in the first place, going back to the same actions after the US blew up the deal will only lead to the same sanctions.


BTW. July is more recent than May.

Enriched uranium limit breached, IAEA confirms

The International Atomic Energy Agency said its inspectors had verified the 300kg (660lb) cap had been exceeded.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48784786


Iran to lift uranium enrichment to 5%, above level in 2015 deal: official

“The main announcement tomorrow will be the increase of the level of enrichment to 5% percent from 3.67% that we agreed under the deal,” the official said on Saturday on condition of anonymity.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ove-level-in-2015-deal-official-idUSKCN1U10HP
 

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Both bullshit politics, so yes, it is equivalent.

Really, if the UK wants Iran to abide by nuke treaties they should abide by them as well, and not back the US' sanctions.
So you think Syria and Britain are both equally abusive countries? Sorry but there is a reason that the EU has a oil blockade on Syria and it's not just all "politics" Sadly you politics have you constantly making excuses for massive rights abusers like Iran and Syria.
 

Frankfooter

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So you think Syria and Britain are both equally abusive countries?
Where did I say that, your dishonesty is getting ugly, basketcase.

The UK's seizing of that Iranian tanker was illegal, it was actually piracy.
Iran's wasn't much better, its just two countries involved in a tit for tat action.
 
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