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randomott

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I'm looking for some guidance fellow Terbites. First my situation; I have been a member of this board for about 10 years (under different handles). I very rarely saw MA's in the past. I was all about GFE SP's. Lots of dfk etc. My regular retired and moved out of town so I thought I would try the world of MA's. I am so confused after my first experience. I saw a girl who had lots of +1's and no -1's on the MA list. In fact if I said -1 I think people would be mad. A few bodyslides, no kissing, not much of anything actually. I'm not naming the girl so don't ask. My main question: What on Earth is a GFE massage? Do bodyslides alone constitute one? A good attitude? I know talking about MA's and extras can be a nono which is why I've tried to be vague.
 
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I'm looking for some guidance fellow Terbites. First my situation; I have been a member of this board for about 10 years (under different handles). I very rarely saw MA's in the past. I was all about GFE SP's. Lots of dfk etc. My regular retired and moved out of town so I thought I would try the world of MA's. I am so confused after my first experience. I saw a girl who had lots of +1's and no -1's on the MA list. In fact if I said -1 I think people would be mad. A few bodyslides, no kissing, not much of anything actually. I'm not naming the girl so don't ask. My main question: What on Earth is a GFE massage? Do bodyslides alone constitute one? A good attitude? I know talking about MA's and extras can be a nono which is why I've tried to be vague.
Are you writing a review or what are you expecting here?

If you've been around here for 10 years, than time to post a review and allow people to comment on the facts.

Not trying to berate you here, but post an honest / respectful review with some details and perhaps you'll get clarification.

YMMV also means sometimes the GFE level expands on return visits and not always full out day one.
 

randomott

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Not a review as I didn't even name anyone. Just sincerely asking what constitutes a GFE massage. Like I said I am very new to that side of hobbying.
 

caps22

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There's a lot that can make it GFE
BBBJ
DFK
Lots of eye contact
Cuddling
Intimate conversation
Stays and provides service for the full hour

If you want the safest bet, stick to SP's
 
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Not a review as I didn't even name anyone. Just sincerely asking what constitutes a GFE massage. Like I said I am very new to that side of hobbying.
Hey randomott,

GFE (in my opinion) basically means the MA will be intimately / passionately engaged in the session, beyond physical rubbing. That all. I wouldn't assume anything as far as service based on "GFE".

It's extremely vague without any benchmarks whatsoever either really.
 

fall

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Hey randomott,

GFE (in my opinion) basically means the MA will be intimately / passionately engaged in the session, beyond physical rubbing. That all. I wouldn't assume anything as far as service based on "GFE".

It's extremely vague without any benchmarks whatsoever either really.
At the lowest level, GFE MA includes cuddling, LFK with some tong action, and touching everywhere (no digits), plus, of cause, a friendly attitude. For me, one of the indicators of "friendly attitude" is the girl's appropriate physical reaction (i.e., the one that cannot be faked) on me stimulating her. Of cause, most of GFE MA also allow DATY. Intense DFK is optional (I personally prefer LFK), digits is about 75% of the time. No BJ of FS. This is, IMO, what should be real GFE MA definition. And, if the "massage table" is not a double bed but just a table, there will be no true GFE (you may get FS, but not GFE).

By the way, I am not sure people use common definition of LFK/DFK. For me, LFK is an open mouth kissing with some tong action where tong may go about 1cm inside the partner's mouth while DFK is where you try to clean you partner's back teeth with your mouth.
 
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At the lowest level, GFE MA includes cuddling, LFK with some tong action, and touching everywhere (no digits), plus, of cause, a friendly attitude. For me, one of the indicators of "friendly attitude" is the girl's appropriate physical reaction (i.e., the one that cannot be faked) on me stimulating her. Of cause, most of GFE MA also allow DATY. Intense DFK is optional (I personally prefer LFK), digits is about 75% of the time. No BJ of FS. This is, IMO, what should be real GFE MA definition. And, if the "massage table" is not a double bed but just a table, there will be no true GFE (you may get FS, but not GFE).

By the way, I am not sure people use common definition of LFK/DFK. For me, LFK is an open mouth kissing with some tong action where tong may go about 1cm inside the partner's mouth while DFK is where you try to clean you partner's back teeth with your mouth.
It isn't worth debating what we individually believe "GFE" should be, because it will always be only defined by the individual MA. It's a poor benchmark as a standard term.

Kissing should never be assumed though, I can't get behind that one personally. It's YMMV always, and you don't complain if for some reason denied in session. Demanding kissing is just uncomfortably weird and no one should be pressured to kiss anyone, ever (a lil too much Joe Biden creepy weird).

It gets a bit awkward for me when you start expecting someone to kiss you as part of a massage. This is not something that was popular 7-10 years ago. Kissing MA's should be a luxury based on chemistry and passion, not an expected service on arrival (imo)
 

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Everything is base on the connection between you and the MA.

If you are relax and comfortable, she will be relax and comfortable.
If you are pushy, she will push you back.
Smile, talk and communicate.

As I have always said, build that rapport.
Build that trust. It opens up many many doors.

Also be clean and top notch yourself.
 

JohnnyFever

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Keep in mind that the bar for "GFE" in the list on the review forum was purposely set very low in order to avoid the subjective definitions. As per the thread:

"For the purposes of the list, the “low bar” definition of GFE will be honoured as outlined below:

Friendly service
Body slides
Touching allowed
Shower play, if requested

These four criteria SHOULD be the benchmark of any employed MA. Because the bar was purposely set "low", theoretically it served as a reliable threshold for MAs who were promising, consistent, friendly, and playful. GFE is more about "positive attitude" than "services". It is harmful to the list if the bar is raised by including kissing or other YMMV services beyond this threshold (which should not be lawfully discussed anyway."

The model has been breaking down lately though, so the list is becoming less useful. Either way, I would just evaluate the above criteria and post your + or -.
 

randomott

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Thanks Johnny, that explains a lot. I agree with the benchmark comment which is where I was confused.
 

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I think where the terminology breaks down is in regards to kissing (DFK, LFK, whatever) and safe services. There are some MAs who are providing that friendly, cheerful, passionate service (the experience one would hope to have with a girlfriend) but are not offering kissing because they consider it fluid exchange. There are clients, meanwhile, for whom kissing is essential to the experience.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Johnny, but I believe kissing was originally included in the criteria for the GFE list but the bar was lowered for this reason.
 

JohnnyFever

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I think some people wanted kissing included but when Urban Cowboy set up the list he rejected that. He wanted it kept as basic as possible, and that's how the list has stayed. When he killed the old list we could have updated that, but since it wasn't I think we're stuck with it.
 

fall

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Keep in mind that the bar for "GFE" in the list on the review forum was purposely set very low in order to avoid the subjective definitions. As per the thread:

"For the purposes of the list, the “low bar” definition of GFE will be honoured as outlined below:

Friendly service
Body slides
Touching allowed
Shower play, if requested

These four criteria SHOULD be the benchmark of any employed MA. Because the bar was purposely set "low", theoretically it served as a reliable threshold for MAs who were promising, consistent, friendly, and playful. GFE is more about "positive attitude" than "services". It is harmful to the list if the bar is raised by including kissing or other YMMV services beyond this threshold (which should not be lawfully discussed anyway."

The model has been breaking down lately though, so the list is becoming less useful. Either way, I would just evaluate the above criteria and post your + or -.
And it is a good thing that some of these definitions are so unspecified. Because for me:

"touching allowed" means allowed everywhere
"Friendly service" means the girl is really into it. I.e., kissing (at least to some degree) and, hopefully, getting wet. Otherwise it is not "friendly". If no kissing, it should really be compensated by the superior quality of everything else.

I just hope that some other hobbyists who supply +1/-1 to that list use the same definition of "friendly" and "touching" and will give a -1 for insufficient touching and friendliness.
 
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Is it just me or does anyone else wonder when they see "SP's vs MA's" ....... which group would kick the other's ass? I think the MAs might be in a tad better shape but have met some mighty feisty SP as well. Discuss ......
 

fall

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Is it just me or does anyone else wonder when they see "SP's vs MA's" ....... which group would kick the other's ass? I think the MAs might be in a tad better shape but have met some mighty feisty SP as well. Discuss ......
If it was a soccer, MAs will definitely be better off because of their physique, but SPs will fake a lot and draw many calls from referees, so, they may win because of lots of penalty kicks.
 

Gntlmn

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As others here have mentioned/alluded to, I wouldn't expect GFE factor to be optimal on first visit; everything improves with multiple visits, generally.

On the other hand, it's in the MA's best interest to promote repeat visits by at least indicating that she provides some of the services/approach the client wants on that first visit.

fall, if I commit an own-goal is that really negative?
 
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And it is a good thing that some of these definitions are so unspecified. Because for me:

"touching allowed" means allowed everywhere
"Friendly service" means the girl is really into it. I.e., kissing (at least to some degree) and, hopefully, getting wet. Otherwise it is not "friendly". If no kissing, it should really be compensated by the superior quality of everything else.
So since the definition of GFE is broad and undefined, your version of the definition applies to you only, not her.

What you are listing is what YOU WANT GFE to be, not what it actually is or means to anyone.

You're welcome to define it for yourself, you do you, but it definitely doesn't mean that's what you get to receive based on your own unconfirmed expectations.

Touching allowed meaning touching everywhere? C'mon, that's just wishful thinking to interpret it that way... It doesn't even say that at all.

This isn't Burger King where you get it to have it your way simply because you should get it.

This logic just leads to disappointment and unfair expectations that were only wanted and not very respectful.
 

asuran

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So since the definition of GFE is broad and undefined, your version of the definition applies to you only, not her.

What you are listing is what YOU WANT GFE to be, not what it actually is or means to anyone.

You're welcome to define it for yourself, you do you, but it definitely doesn't mean that's what you get to receive based on your own unconfirmed expectations.

Touching allowed meaning touching everywhere? C'mon, that's just wishful thinking to interpret it that way... It doesn't even say that at all.

This isn't Burger King where you get it to have it your way simply because you should get it.

This logic just leads to disappointment and unfair expectations that were only wanted and not very respectful.
Exactly. One should not try to push those boundaries.
Respect the lines!
 

asuran

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I like to colour in between the lines. My Mom says I'm special. At least I got that going for me. :D
Admiring the beauty of the lines or reading between the lines is ok. Just don't push it.

:D
 
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Exactly. One should not try to push those boundaries.
Respect the lines!
It's not even about pushing boundaries here really, I don't think.

It's creating unjust expectations based solely on a broad definition of GFE manifested by a client's hopeful wants or another' Terb member's +1 here.

fall is an experienced member, I just don't feel this is a good approach to take or to criticize her for if unfulfilled afterwards with a -1 (like was done for Amber above by another member because HIS level of GFE wasn't met, rather than thread stated definition).

It just leads to dissatisfaction to approach anything this way, especially on first visit in my opinion.
 
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