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New York Times: Trump abruptly called off military strikes

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New York Times: Trump abruptly called off military strikes against Iran after approving them:
President Donald Trump abruptly called off military strikes against Iran on Thursday night after previously approving the strikes in retaliation for Iran shooting down a US military drone, The New York Times reports.

The operation was already underway in its initial stages -- ships were in position and planes were in the air -- but no missiles had been fired when the order came to stand down, a senior administration official told the Times.
Military and diplomatic officials were expecting a strike as late as 7 p.m. on Thursday, multiple senior administration officials involved in or briefed on the deliberations said, after intense debate among Trump's top national security officials and congressional leaders at the White House.
Trump initially approved attacks on a handful of Iranian targets, like radar and missile batteries, officials tell the Times, and the newspaper reports it was not clear whether Trump simply changed his mind or whether his administration pulled back because of strategy or logistics. It was also not clear whether the attacks may still occur.
The strike was scheduled for just before dawn on Friday in Iran to minimize the risk to civilians and the Iranian military, and military officials received word shortly after that the strike was off, at least temporarily.
The Times reporting drew swift reaction from Trump's Democratic rivals.
Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts tweeted that "there is no justification" for escalating tensions with Iran.
"Donald Trump promised to bring our troops home. Instead he has pulled out of a deal that was working and instigated another unnecessary conflict," she wrote. "There is no justification for further escalating this crisis -- we need to step back from the brink of war."
The White House and Pentagon officials declined to comment to the Times, but no government officials asked for the article to be withheld. CNN has reached out to the White House for comment.
The strikes would have been Trump's third military action against Middle East targets, according to the Times. Trump has twice struck targets in Syria.
Earlier Thursday, before the Times report, a senior White House official told CNN that Trump and national security adviser John Bolton were engaged in an ongoing debate about how to handle Iran.
Trump moved to ease tensions with Iran on Thursday morning after Tehran downed a US drone near the Persian Gulf, CNN previously reported. He struck a starkly different tone on Iran from Bolton and other senior security aides.
Iran shot down a US military drone on Thursday, further escalating the already volatile situation playing out between Washington and Tehran in the Middle East.
Iran's Revolutionary Guard said it shot down an "intruding American spy drone" after it entered into the country's territory.
A US official confirmed to CNN a drone had been shot down, but said the incident occurred in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most vital shipping routes.
Earlier Thursday, the Federal Aviation Administration issued a notice that it was prohibiting US flights over the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman due to rising tensions.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/21/politics/trump-military-strikes-iran/index.html
 

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Do he doesn't go to war.......

And you are against this?

Neo-liberalism at its finest......
 

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Trump put the US at the brink of war.
You think that's ok as long as he calls off war at the last second this time?
I think things have been ratcheting up there since, in I don't know, maybe 1953? Got really heated in say 1977? And gave continued since.

It's Pompeo and Bolton Driving this. And some other war hawks as well. This is the third time after Syria and Venezuela they gave tried to get Trump in a war.

I'm afraid now they will ramp it up and kill Americans to get him to approve a strike.
 

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Just read he called it off 10 minutes before because the casualty count would have been about 150 and he felt that was a disproportionate response to the downing of an unmanned drone.

I don't care who is president. That is the humane response.
 

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The White House and Pentagon officials declined to comment to the Times, but no government officials asked for the article to be withheld. CNN has reached out to the White House for comment.
Unfortunately, The New York Times now has a reputation for printing anything they hear whether or not it's substantiated by multiple sources or not. It's interesting that the NYT made note that no government officials asked for the article to be withheld. If I were the Administration, I would want Iran thinking about this. It could be a powerful deterrent for further malicious Iranian acts in the Strait of Hormuz.
 

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Trump's fucking with the mullahs' heads. His biggest complaint about the American military policy, before he even became candidate, was the predictability of the American response. He'll give the Iranians a chance to back off, but, if they don't, he'll hit them hard and fast. And he'll target the leadership of the Islamic Republic. BTW, it looks like the reversal decision was actually leaked by the administration.
 

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Every President should think long and hard before sending young Americans to die for Saudi Barbarica's interests. For all we know it could be their proxy Al-Qaeda who attacked the oil tankers. Lets not be war pigs like the Bushies, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

As a side note. it's been revealed that Salman The Butcher bought Leonardo's Salvator Mundi. He's keeping it on his yacht where the salt air will eventually destroy it.
 

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Trump campaigned on "no more foreign wars"

(Which I actually agreed with.)

By attacking Iran, he cements the hold on power by the religious extremists who run Iran. They survive on crisis. Obama understood that the best way to drive out the old guard in Iran was to make peace with them and let the people of Iran realize that they no longer need Ayatollahs. Then along comes Cadet Bone Spurs and together with Bibi the Corrupt they fuck everything up for a return to the status quo.
 

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Unfortunately, The New York Times now has a reputation for printing anything they hear whether or not it's substantiated by multiple sources or not. It's interesting that the NYT made note that no government officials asked for the article to be withheld. If I were the Administration, I would want Iran thinking about this. It could be a powerful deterrent for further malicious Iranian acts in the Strait of Hormuz.
Trump confirmed it on twitter, so you need to credit the Times for being accurate and for good reporting.
 

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Trump campaigned on "no more foreign wars"

(Which I actually agreed with.)

By attacking Iran, he cements the hold on power by the religious extremists who run Iran. They survive on crisis. Obama understood that the best way to drive out the old guard in Iran was to make peace with them and let the people of Iran realize that they no longer need Ayatollahs. Then along comes Cadet Bone Spurs and together with Bibi the Corrupt they fuck everything up for a return to the status quo.
Exactly, with Obama and the JPOA Iran was making signs of moderates coming to power. Since Trump pulled out and went all in for sanctions the hard core there have been emboldened.
This looks to be like Venezuela for Trump again, where his advisers told him it would be a cakewalk. When it didn't he backed down and now doesn't talk about it at all.
Bolton has been pushing hard for war, making use of the sanctions and these odd tanker attacks.
It doesn't sound like Trump has an endplan, he doesn't want war he says, but doesn't seem to have any other goals other than pressuring them.
 

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I'm sorry I didn't think Obama's Iran agreement was an end plan. He bought some time and kicked the can down the road. North Korea showed us the ransom just keeps getting paid and an aggressive regime still winds up with nuclear weapons.

Obama really wanted to do something before he left office and prove he deserved that ridiculously awarded Nobel Peace Prize.

No, moderates didn't have any real authority. The Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei calls the shots.
 

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I'm sorry I didn't think Obama's Iran agreement was an end plan.
What's your end plan?
Start a war and the US will have to put the draft back in place.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...rican-troops-military-draft-column/656240002/

What's the goal?
No nukes - put the JPOA back in place
Regime change - hasn't worked in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria
Getting moderates in power to lessen threats - stop threatening them

What's your end plan and how do you get there?
 

jcpro

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What's your end plan?
Start a war and the US will have to put the draft back in place.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...rican-troops-military-draft-column/656240002/

What's the goal?
No nukes - put the JPOA back in place
Regime change - hasn't worked in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria
Getting moderates in power to lessen threats - stop threatening them

What's your end plan and how do you get there?
LOL! Regime change totally worked in Afghanistan and Iraq. It was the nation building that failed. "Moderates" don't come to power in the dictatorship without the catastrophic events preceding the change like a war, civil war or an economic collapse. And the last one guarantees nothing as seen in NK, Cuba or Venezuela. The moderate miracle is just a stupid, lefty talking point.
 

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Trump's fucking with the mullahs' heads. His biggest complaint about the American military policy, before he even became candidate, was the predictability of the American response. He'll give the Iranians a chance to back off, but, if they don't, he'll hit them hard and fast. And he'll target the leadership of the Islamic Republic. BTW, it looks like the reversal decision was actually leaked by the administration.
I agree with this.
 

jcpro

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I agree with this.
I've been following Trump as long as he's been in the spotlight and it was hard not to. From the front pages of Forbes and Fortune to tabloids, Letterman and his move into the political commentariat in the nineties. It's all there in the open laid bare over the decades. He's completely transparent, predictably unpredictable, unfiltered and openly genuine. That authenticity is his appeal and the "secret" of his success in the political arena. To use the Seinfeld reference, he's the "opposite George" to all the politicians out there and that's why so hard to beat.
 

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LOL! Regime change totally worked in Afghanistan and Iraq. It was the nation building that failed. "Moderates" don't come to power in the dictatorship without the catastrophic events preceding the change like a war, civil war or an economic collapse. And the last one guarantees nothing as seen in NK, Cuba or Venezuela. The moderate miracle is just a stupid, lefty talking point.
Iraq and Afghanistan are failed states where most Muslims terrorists appear to be coming from now.
You call that a success?

Millions dead, no stability and endless war?
 

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Iraq and Afghanistan are failed states where most Muslims terrorists appear to be coming from now.
You call that a success?

Millions dead, no stability and endless war?
Strawman. Where did I say "success"? I said the regime change worked.
 

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Strawman. Where did I say "success"? I said the regime change worked.
Where did regime change work ? The US got kicked out of Iraq and they've been in Afghanistan for almost 18 years. If they've managed to do anything they've made Iran more powerful than ever as Sunni & Shia are starting to view the Zionists as the real enemy of Islam. So now they've managed to drive Iran, Russia, China into an economic and military alliance as well as uniting the Muslim world against them. Great work on whoever came up with this policy. And attacking Iran is not possible. They just took out a 225 million dollar stealth drone. Which means you can't attack Iran by the air without getting shot out of the sky. And any attack on Iran and Israel will be annihilated in 30 minutes. I'm not a fan of Trump as much as I despise Hillary and the Dem's. Trump apparently converted to Judaism and his cabinet is full of Neo-Con Ziotards and Goldman Sachs boyzzzz. They may want to attack Iran but it would be the end of Israel and any further US British Imperial ambitions in the Middle East as the World will dump there US Treasuries in a New York minute and the USD would cease being the World's Reserve Currency. Without that they would have to rely on there own economy to support them and the only thing America makes is War, Fraud, and pornography. They stopped ( just like Canada ) being a productive producing economy a long time ago. Thus the 21 trillion in debt and the over 250 TRILLION in future obligations towards social security, pensions, medicare etc.... Time to wake up and smell the coffee. And the NY Times is a yellow journal that should be seen for what it is. A propaganda arm of the Security Agencies and their associated think tanks.
 

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I don't get to use the word diatribe much.
 
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