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Joe Biden touts his relationships with Racists.

Butler1000

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Now Ol' Joe is using overt former Senators Eastland and Talmund and his relationship with them as the way it should be.

And that they Never called him "Boy" so really he could work with them.

The tone-deafness is truly amazing.
 

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Now Ol' Joe is using overt former Senators Eastland and Talmund and his relationship with them as the way it should be.

And that they Never called him "Boy" so really he could work with them.

The tone-deafness is truly amazing.
Biden certainly didn't need to go that far back to give an example of working with people in which he had little agreement. However, this was the 1972 Senate he entered. The irony that is lost is that Eastland and Talmadge were Southern Democrats not Republicans.

Nothing he said was that incredibly offensive. Perhaps he didn't phrase it perfectly. Biden's now is feeling the scrutiny that Trump and others have from liberal media. Every word you say is parsed for sensitivity and political correctness.
 

Butler1000

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Biden certainly didn't need to go that far back to give an example of working with people in which he had little agreement. However, this was the 1972 Senate he entered. The irony that is lost is that Eastland and Talmadge were Southern Democrats not Republicans.

Nothing he said was that incredibly offensive. Perhaps he didn't phrase it perfectly. Biden's now is feeling the scrutiny that Trump and others have from liberal media. Every word you say is parsed for sensitivity and political correctness.
Yup. Like his opposition to school segregation.....oh wait.

Or to the Defense of Marriage Act......oh wait.

The 1994 crime bill.......oh wait.

The Iraq War.......oh wait.

The man has been in the wrong side of history with unabashed consistency for 40 years.
 

WyattEarp

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I think the Clintons have a similar record.
 

Butler1000

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I think the Clintons have a similar record.
His, believe it or not, is worse. At some point(and when CNN commentators are calling what you said "stupid" ) you have to question the supposed electibility of him.

He has since doubled down and said Cory Booker should apologize to him for questioning his civil rights record.

Again, either in denial, or just plain stupid.
 

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I think your putting your thumb on the scale against Biden. CNN has revealed themselves to be far from objective reporters of news. More importantly, I don't believe Biden ever supported segregation. He did not support school busing which was a very divisive issue in the 1970s. I don't think the practice has ever been completely implemented.

My question: If Biden is one of the few or the only candidate to not support "reparations" does that continue his terrible civil rights record? What if you knew a candidate supporting "reparations" could get the nomination, but could not get elected? How far does idealism go?

* I think you just blew past my comment that Eastland and Talmadge were Democrats not Republicans. Biden worked with these "racists" referenced in your thread title. In order for the Biden and Democrats in the 1970s to get any Democrat initiatives enacted, they had to hold the party together.
 

Butler1000

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I think your putting your thumb on the scale against Biden. CNN has revealed themselves to be far from objective reporters of news. More importantly, I don't believe Biden ever supported segregation. He did not support school busing which was a very divisive issue in the 1970s. I don't think the practice has ever been completely implemented.

My question: If Biden is one of the few or the only candidate to not support "reparations" does that continue his terrible civil rights record? What if you knew a candidate supporting "reparations" could get the nomination, but could not get elected? How far does idealism go?

* I think you just blew past my comment that Eastland and Talmadge were Democrats not Republicans. In order for the Biden and Democrats in the 1970s to get any Democrat initiatives enacted, they had to hold the party together.
Point being he is gone deaf to the realities of today.

What he said was the Equivalent of "fine people on both sides" in Charlotteville.
 

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You didn't answer my simple questions. Perhaps it was just an oversight or perhaps you're ignoring the realities of today.

The point is that politics is not as easy as amateur historians make it out to be. AOC might actually teach many idealistic Democrats an important lesson in compromise when she's all done.
 

Butler1000

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You didn't answer my simple questions. Perhaps it was just an oversight or perhaps you're ignoring the realities of today.

The point is that politics is not as easy as amateur historians make it out to be. AOC might actually teach many idealistic Democrats an important lesson in compromise when she's all done.
It isn't about what happened 40 years ago. I get the fact it was a different era with Dixiecrats still in power. And that yes compromises had to be made.

And that holds true today.

But if you look at HIS record it isn't about grudging give and take. He has in fact enthusiastically endorsed many pieces of legislation that have proven with time to be wrong.

So why should we trust he can get it right now?

I support a candidate that has actually been ahead of the curve on these issues.

And it is my belief that a return to FDR policies is what the USA needs.

So no it isn't about ignoring your point. It's about Biden bring do far gone that he can be attacked from the left even worse than Clinton was. Which is what Trump did. And enough people staying home to give Trump the win.

Biden will imo suppress the vote.
 

Butler1000

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You didn't answer my simple questions. Perhaps it was just an oversight or perhaps you're ignoring the realities of today.

The point is that politics is not as easy as amateur historians make it out to be. AOC might actually teach many idealistic Democrats an important lesson in compromise when she's all done.
Also another point to ignoring Political Realities.

Politics is perception. And Biden is now being percieved as out of touch, and doubling down on it.

That's the political reality.
 

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He's not going be the nominee and never was. He's too slow on his feet. I'm not trying to attack his age. He just is.

There are many gaffes to come. The policy dancing that's started is going to kill him. However, I think the comment about working with Eastland and Talmadge was an exaggerated infraction by the media. They all want to kill him off, but they need to just let it happen.

I've seen them rake Trump for every slight misword. Political commentators feast and need to feast on parsing every word apart from the overall meaning of the message. The difference is Republicans aren't having any more of the media's interpretation of words.

Butler1000 wrote above "And it is my belief that a return to FDR policies is what the USA needs." Funny thing. I thought Biden is the closest to FDR policies of all the Democrat candidates. Perhaps lesser known moderates can get some air when Biden falters.
 

WyattEarp

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Also another point to ignoring Political Realities.

Politics is perception. And Biden is now being percieved as out of touch, and doubling down on it.

That's the political reality.
Yes, of course. Media shaping perception is now too intrusive though. On these political forums, liberal and conservative participants step on mindless land mines because they've become too reliant and mesmerized by the 24/7 political commentary of their favorite infotainment show.

Quoting the trailer of the Roger Ailes bio-pic posted elsewhere on this forum "People don't want to be informed. They want to feel informed."
 

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He will never make it to the starting line, the more he campaigns the lower his poll numbers will sink.

Bernie, like Trump, is a well known commodity at this point, the others are likely to look worse the closer you get.
 

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The ABC did a little digging on Joe and Hunter Biden and their dealings in Ukraine and China. Looks like the progressives within the DNC are winning.
 

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Bernie, like Trump, is a well known commodity at this point, the others are likely to look worse the closer you get.
Can Bernie really win the general election?

Hillary didn't really beat him up like he will this go round. If Bernie survives the Democrat shootout, Republicans will run clips of him praising Fidel Castro and Venezuela day and night. The guy honeymooned in the Soviet Union. Generation Y might not know much about the Soviet Union, but anyone born before 1975 knows all too well.
 

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Can Bernie really win the general election?

Hillary didn't really beat him up like he will this go round. If Bernie survives the Democrat shootout, Republicans will run clips of him praising Fidel Castro and Venezuela day and night. The guy honeymooned in the Soviet Union. Generation Y might not know much about the Soviet Union, but anyone born before 1975 knows all too well.
Yes he can. The nation is war weary, Wall st weary, healthcare weary (consistent polls show 70% of Americans want Medicare for all, with over 50% GOP support).

In this one campaign with Trump in and these policies he can win. He is the one guy who can bring the vote and peel off from Trump.
 

Butler1000

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He's not going be the nominee and never was. He's too slow on his feet. I'm not trying to attack his age. He just is.

There are many gaffes to come. The policy dancing that's started is going to kill him. However, I think the comment about working with Eastland and Talmadge was an exaggerated infraction by the media. They all want to kill him off, but they need to just let it happen.

I've seen them rake Trump for every slight misword. Political commentators feast and need to feast on parsing every word apart from the overall meaning of the message. The difference is Republicans aren't having any more of the media's interpretation of words.

Butler1000 wrote above "And it is my belief that a return to FDR policies is what the USA needs." Funny thing. I thought Biden is the closest to FDR policies of all the Democrat candidates. Perhaps lesser known moderates can get some air when Biden falters.
I'm curious what FDR policies you think Biden has Championed in his career?
 

WyattEarp

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Yes he can. The nation is war weary, Wall st weary, healthcare weary (consistent polls show 70% of Americans want Medicare for all, with over 50% GOP support).

In this one campaign with Trump in and these policies he can win. He is the one guy who can bring the vote and peel off from Trump.
You might be overestimating the influence of the Twitter Democrats. The most vocal have an outsized impact in primaries, but far less impact on the general electorate.
 

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I'm curious what FDR policies you think Biden has Championed in his career?
Biden is pro-union, but not necessarily anti-business like many of the other Democrat candidates. Roosevelt was more concerned about the economy than social issues. Roosevelt was a pragmatist not an ideologue.

Per Wikipedia and source cited there: Roosevelt told an advocate: "If I come out for the anti-lynching bill now, they [Southern Democratic senators] will block every bill I ask Congress to pass to keep America from collapsing. I just can't take that risk".
 

Butler1000

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You might be overestimating the influence of the Twitter Democrats. The most vocal have an outsized impact in primaries, but far less impact on the general electorate.
Actually it isn't the Twitter types.

I love going to Vegas every do often and gave found myself there in October several times. Blackjack tables are social and being Canadian people open up to me. From all over the country. Same at the bar stools.

There is imo a deep undercurrent of resentment for the Iraq war lies. For the Bailout. Against the Healthcare system.

When banks get a bailout with taxpayer dollars and then foreclose on 5 million homes people notice. And just the ones affected but family and friends as well.

When 60% of all bankruptcies are medically related the same.

Add in the opiod crisis, infrastructure crisis(why is clean water now an issue in numerous places and not just Flint?) While Washington forgets and the anger is there.

I heard it and felt in conversations.

There is a large group of Americans who don't vote because a candidate they want to hadn't been put forth in a long time.

Senator Sanders is that candidate imo.
 
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