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Ontario considers raising driver, vehicle fees months after freezing them

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The fee increases would start July 1 and continue for five years, under the proposal. The government froze some driver fees last August, leaving the fee for a new driver's licence at $90 instead of $97.

Less than a year after freezing driver and vehicle fees in Ontario, the Progressive Conservative government is considering raising them again, while bracing for a “negative reaction.”

In a proposal quietly posted to a regulatory registry for public comment, the government says it is seeking to introduce annual fee increases of two per cent “across the board” for “various driver, vehicle and carrier products and services.”

“These moderate fee increases will allow the government to continue delivering services and move towards full cost recovery without increasing taxes for all Ontarians,” said the posting.

“By doing a two per cent regular increase, the Ministry of Transportation is taking a measured approach to achieving fiscal balance, while providing Ontario residents the ability to predict annual increases, directly tied to inflationary pressures.”

The posting was up for just five days and removed on Monday. Only two comments were received, the ministry said.

The fee increases would start July 1 and continue for five years, under the proposal.

“It is anticipated there will be a neutral to negative reaction from drivers, vehicle owners and commercial carriers, with the impact on drivers and vehicle owners estimated to be low as proposed increases are minimal and will be spread over a five-year planning horizon,” the proposal says.

The government froze some driver fees last August, cancelling increases that had been set for the following month, leaving the fee for a new driver’s licence, for example, at $90 instead of $97.

“People are fed up with paying more and more every time they need to renew their licence or take a driving test,” Premier Doug Ford said in a statement at the time.

https://www.680news.com/2019/06/19/ontario-driver-vehicle-fees/
 

K Douglas

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Property taxes, user fees should be tied to the increases in the inflation/wage rate. Nothing should be frozen.
 

nottyboi

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Property taxes, user fees should be tied to the increases in the inflation/wage rate. Nothing should be frozen.
how about the price of beer? lol Ford got huge boos at the Raptors parade. These are 100% Ford nation type people that now hate his guts.
 

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Property taxes, user fees should be tied to the increases in the inflation/wage rate. Nothing should be frozen.
How do you accurately measure the inflation rate ? The USD is the World's Reserve Currency so you should be able to decipher a more accurate Canadian rate by looking at the US numbers. And if you take independent stat's from folks like John Williams ( www.shadowstats.com ) or the Chapwood Index ( www.chapwoodindex.com ). Depending on where you live the inflation rate is 10%-12% per year. And the wage rate hasn't increased since 1968 if you want to look at the numbers prior to leaving the Gold Standard in 1971 ( 1974 in Canada ).

We used to live in a World of near zero inflation and property taxes didn't exist. Maybe we should start to figure out how we were able to do it in the past and try and apply it to the future. Increasing taxes in any way shape or form does not increase presperity. Especially when you live in a World where your currency is created by debt issuance.
 

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This is a stupid idea from the political POV. I always said that Doug is not Rob who would have never even considered this. Doug needs better advisers.
 

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Property taxes, user fees should be tied to the increases in the inflation/wage rate. Nothing should be frozen.
Of course the above should include public sector wage increases, huh?
 

oldjones

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Driver and vehicle licenses, buck-a-beer, sex ed, autism … is anyone keeping count of the stuff Dougie loudly and proudly cut/froze/abolished then later quietly restored/backtracked/ignored when common sense finally penetrated?
 

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I'll give you an idea where we're at here in Ontario. A friend of mine works for a Ministry here in Ontario. Doug Ford has stopped all unnecessary spending throughout all of the Ontario Ministries. There is an important mail out that needs to get sent out asap. They can't do the mail out because they need a Director level sign off in order to get approval for the postage.

One day people are going to wake up and realize the system is completely and utterly broke. Then and only then when millions are dying from starvation will people wake up and realize where money comes from and how is it created. Until then. Enjoy the show.
 

oldjones

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I'll give you an idea where we're at here in Ontario. A friend of mine works for a Ministry here in Ontario. Doug Ford has stopped all unnecessary spending throughout all of the Ontario Ministries. There is an important mail out that needs to get sent out asap. They can't do the mail out because they need a Director level sign off in order to get approval for the postage.

One day people are going to wake up and realize the system is completely and utterly broke[n]. Then and only then when millions are dying from starvation will people wake up and realize where money comes from and how is it created. Until then. Enjoy the show.
As if Directors didn't have better things to do than approve a postage account. Not in Dougie's world, apparently.

I fixed your second paragraph.
 

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I'll give you an idea where we're at here in Ontario. A friend of mine works for a Ministry here in Ontario. Doug Ford has stopped all unnecessary spending throughout all of the Ontario Ministries. There is an important mail out that needs to get sent out asap. They can't do the mail out because they need a Director level sign off in order to get approval for the postage.

One day people are going to wake up and realize the system is completely and utterly broke. Then and only then when millions are dying from starvation will people wake up and realize where money comes from and how is it created. Until then. Enjoy the show.
Doug Ford put in $2.9 billion in tax breaks for corporations and the rich and as a result will increase the deficit even with cuts to health care and education.
This will be his only term ever.
 

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Property taxes, user fees should be tied to the increases in the inflation/wage rate. Nothing should be frozen.
OIC now the right wingers are seeming to try and justify increases in taxes / fees if they are implemented by the Connartisvertives!!
 

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This is a stupid idea from the political POV. I always said that Doug is not Rob who would have never even considered this. Doug needs better advisers.
One could interpret your words to mean that a crackhead makes better decisions than Doug Ford.
 

K Douglas

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How do you accurately measure the inflation rate ? The USD is the World's Reserve Currency so you should be able to decipher a more accurate Canadian rate by looking at the US numbers. And if you take independent stat's from folks like John Williams ( www.shadowstats.com ) or the Chapwood Index ( www.chapwoodindex.com ). Depending on where you live the inflation rate is 10%-12% per year. And the wage rate hasn't increased since 1968 if you want to look at the numbers prior to leaving the Gold Standard in 1971 ( 1974 in Canada ).

We used to live in a World of near zero inflation and property taxes didn't exist. Maybe we should start to figure out how we were able to do it in the past and try and apply it to the future. Increasing taxes in any way shape or form does not increase presperity. Especially when you live in a World where your currency is created by debt issuance.
Oh FFS. Tie it to the CPI. Yes I agree the inflation rate is not accurate at 2% but we have nothing more official to go on.
 

K Douglas

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OIC now the right wingers are seeming to try and justify increases in taxes / fees if they are implemented by the Connartisvertives!!
I've always maintained that things like property taxes, user fees, min wage etc. be tied to the inflation rate. I blasted that clown Lastman many times for freezing property taxes in Toronto. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass and stop painting all Conservatives with the same brush.
 

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I've always maintained that things like property taxes, user fees, min wage etc. be tied to the inflation rate. I blasted that clown Lastman many times for freezing property taxes in Toronto. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass and stop painting all Conservatives with the same brush.
Tying taxes to a general inflation rate is only a little less short-sighted than a flat-freeze. At least you're being smart enough to keep the 'price' of government in line with other prices, the ones government must pay.

But no version of stable taxes can pay for new stuff we didn't need before, nor can it maintain what we already have unless all that was in apple-pie order when the freeze began.

That sure wasn't the case when Mega-City Mel froze taxes, and it's been downhil with every Mayor since, and all have followed either the freeze or the inflation-float. The City was already a financial mess, that's why Harris 'fixed' it, and it's only gotten worse since.

Hafta give Tory credit for his effort at road-tolls and Miller for the Vehicle tax, but both were cancelled by shorter-sighted pols hoping for votes from the bottom half of the class.

If you run a business with a constantly expanding customer base — like a growing City, you have to start with a price that covers expansion, not just desperate keep-it-together maintenance, and you'll have to bite the bullet and raise it higher than inflation if the 'customers' keep coming, and you aren't keeping up.

We aren't.
 
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