I have to disagree, the internet exists in the 21th century. Even children in Africa with an internet connection can log on to khan academy and learn just about anything.The only way you get a quality education here is if your parents are loaded and send you to private schools.
It's very sad and disheartening that this is how tax dollars are being used. Even more so when you consider how discussion about sexuality takes precedence over basic numeracy, reading and writing.The kids can barely count or multiply because the teachers get 80k to 120k but are lazy as fuck.
This is the rat race frand!Also, people here don't for the most part have curiosity or interest in learning if it doesn't translate to immediate monetary gain. I think that's pathetic. The way I see Toronto it's a working bee colony. People work hard and learn enough to do their job but outside of that they don't give a shit about expanding their brains or knowledge. That's why when I do meet one of the few that are curious and cultured it's so refreshing.
Yes please do. Someone quick!Our education system needs a bomb dropped on it and started again.
bbbbbb-but the alchemist changed my life!Some of you don't get it about university rankings. The rankings represent the quality of the faculties in terms of their research where the profs went through school and how many publications they release and what journals they get released in. A place like u of t is a piece of shit it's a huge school and undergrads mean nothing to the profs and the school. A lot of the times the undergrad classes are taught by PhD students and not tenured profs so you can't get the "benefit" of having been taught by a powerhouse Prof for example.
A lot of the undergrads are dumb as blocks. The school knows this esp a faceless monster like U of T or York. The undergrads are just there for the school to make money. The graduate programs a lot of the time is full of foreign students. When I did grad school not in Toronto my class had 95 per cent foreign born students from places like India or Japan or China. We had like two Canadian born students and one was a girl who was dumb. She needed help with the work. Now she's apparently a big shot at KPMG. My guess she fucked the right dick to move up.
With the Canadian school system so weak and the rat race mentality less and less students will get into advanced degrees. It will be all foreign students because they're taught right.
That's why when I used to date online or tried to it made me laugh when many of the Canadian born girls esp the white ones who say I'm highly educated. You have a convo with them and they have an arts BA and don't know nothing of nothing. When I used to call them on it they would get super defensive.
I had one European chick friend. This chick used to read classics like ts Elliot for fun. When's the last time you've seen a typical Canad an girl or guy read anything other than trash like Paola Coehlo?
If I ever have kids I will try to instill a love for learning and culture not only for immediate monetary gain but for personal growth.
Moronic, inappropriate post. It does not fit in with the conversation.Canada is a liberal lefty country. So, you can be whatever and whoever you want and say and do whatever you want. If anybody disagrees, just accuse them of being racist and try to get them fired from their job.
So if the quality of the teachers and the work they do in terms of advancing their fields through research are meaningless, what parameters do you consider important to whether a university is good quality or not. What countries have a better university system than the "mediocre" U.S. with 16 of the top 20 rankings?Some of you don't get it about university rankings. The rankings represent the quality of the faculties in terms of their research where the profs went through school and how many publications they release and what journals they get released in. A place like u of t is a piece of shit it's a huge school and undergrads mean nothing to the profs and the school. A lot of the times the undergrad classes are taught by PhD students and not tenured profs so you can't get the "benefit" of having been taught by a powerhouse Prof for example.
Yes, 17th place is mediocre in my books. Same as a high school grade of 90% or a University grade of A-. And given huge class sizes and high student/professor ratio, the actual Undergraduate experience is even worse. These ratings are biased toward English speaking schools and developed counties (e.g. no great Indian or Chinese schools there although all of U.S. Ph.D programs have lots of Indian and Chinese students). I would agree that we have many true A-/B students (although even larger numbers of C students who get their grades just for coming to the exams), but very little As and no A+s: our high schools are not able to produce them (the schools actually slow best students down) and the ones who have actually being able to learn despite our school system try to go the U.S. Universities.How can 16 of the top 20 in the world be even considered mediocre?
If you'd actually read the list, UofT ranked 17th in the world. Not too shabby seeing as UK and Japan are the only other countries with a university ranked higher than Toronto.
So if 16 of the top 20 is "mediocre", then there is no country in the world that has a good education system. A high school education gets you nowhere unless it is into a university.
And no nude runs. Even Harvard has nude runs.Some of you don't get it about university rankings.
I saw a video of an engineering class working on some project. I thought it was a university in China. Actually, it was at the U of T.When I did grad school not in Toronto my class had 95 per cent foreign born students from places like India or Japan or China.
Absolutely wrong. In the top 10 U.S. school any Undergrad can get a meaningful science research experience in the lab working wit professors/postdocs if he wants to. The worse the school is or the bigger the school is, the more "experience" become a party experience. And given huge sized of Canadian Universities, student's education is basically limited to classes with lots of idiots in it (classes are huge), and, hence, a dumbed down material@shack. In the USA the undergrad experience they only use it to have an experience.
Another huge misconception. Money plays absolutely no role for admission to top 10 U.S. schools: the admission is "financial aid blind" and all financial aid is need-based (i.e., based on the parents' income and assets): if the family makes less than $60K, students pay nothing and even get fellowships. If family makes $200K+, full price is paid. Partial aid for income in between. Yes, it is extremely expensive, but only families that can afford it pay, if you cannot afford it - you get in for free. When it goes down the University rating, aid is less generous and merit-based scholarship are offered. Also, there is a decent number of Americans in science Ph.D. programs: surely less than Chinese (although many of these Chinese students did their Undergrads at top US schools too). But almost no Canadians .In the USA if you have money you send your kid to a top school just to get the degree any degree and then it opens doors.
You did not respond to any of my questions. Just more anecdotes.@shack. In the USA the undergrad experience they only use it to have an experience. This 16 schools are good but the graduate programs esp in science, tech, engineering, and mathematics are full of foreign students. The typical Canadian or US student would not be able to hang with some of those kids. In the USA if you have money you send your kid to a top school just to get the degree any degree and then it opens doors. Look at Trump why did he go to Wharton? For the doors it opens and he represents most average Americans perfectly esp middle America.
Furthermore look at the admissions scandal. If those parents didn't know their kids were fucking retards would they have gone through all that trouble to secure spots at top schools.
Like I said most schools here and in the USA know that very few local students will go into grad school but they milk them for four years so they can fund the grad programs so the real students the foreign students can benefit. That goes even for your precious U of T.
You alumni from there and still cheer for their weak sports teams is that why it bothered you what I said ?
So if the quality of the teachers and the work they do in terms of advancing their fields through research are meaningless, what parameters do you consider important to whether a university is good quality or not. What countries have a better university system than the "mediocre" U.S. with 16 of the top 20 rankings?
Also what qualifications do you have to accurately assess universities around the world, aside from when you date a Euro. Do you have anything other than anecdotal offerings or your personal perceptions from the outside.
University of Toronto is the same way. The arts and social science classes are full of Canadians, with very few foreigners, while the STEM courses are spilling over with Asian students from China. It's been this way for at least 20 years. The typical Canadian kid can't compete with these foreign students.@shack. In the USA the undergrad experience they only use it to have an experience. This 16 schools are good but the graduate programs esp in science, tech, engineering, and mathematics are full of foreign students. The typical Canadian or US student would not be able to hang with some of those kids.
Seeing as the validity of the rankings is being questioned, how does that change the quality of the education that the university provides?@shack. In the USA the undergrad experience they only use it to have an experience. This 16 schools are good but the graduate programs esp in science, tech, engineering, and mathematics are full of foreign students.
There’s lots of pockets of different cultures in Canada. Acadian, Metis, Asian, East Indian, Quebecois, etc. Don’t think it can be that general but if it were I’d add that we’re less egocentric than either. And much more self aware of the world stage than out neighbours to the south.Mixture of American and British culture
I would not pick Strickland as someone representative of eminentUnviersity of Waterloo (Donna Strickland - who just was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics last year)
A few years back I had to swing through Northern Ontario. Since we had to shoot some grades and take few samples I grabbed a couple of guys for an almost a 3 weeks trip. Sudbury, Thunder Bay, Elliott Lake, Sault, couple other places. Both guys happened to be black. One from the Caribbean and one Toronto born Jamaican. I'll never forget their absolute awe at the size of this province and, especially, its population- how white it was and how sparse. Their surprise at how well they were treated everywhere we went. It struck me that they had absolutely no concept of Canada beyond the GTA. And sadly, most of immigrant communities, that center on the GTA are exactly the same. How can we build a one country, even a multi cultural one, when one group doesn't even know that another exist? As a former immigrant, I'm dead set against multi cultural concept, btw.Getting back on point. When I have travelled to smaller parts of Canada I'd say the more homogenous the population the more you can say they have a "Canadian" culture and identity. I often have thought that multiculturalism creates an uneasiness like no one truly trusts each other. I remember once Angela Markle saying the multicultural experiment failed in Germany. Would you really say the same here ?
Outside of Toronto Canada is very different place. Even Quebec as a province is more homogenous and they have more of an identity than us in the rest of Canada. Thoughts ?