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bver_hunter

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After William Barr testified that, if any foreign Governments offer dirt on certain candidates, then they should report it right away to the FBI. Now Trump is 100% contradicting him. So is that "Fake News"?? Well read on!!

Trump says he would accept dirt on political rivals from foreign governments:

President Donald Trump says he would listen if a foreign government approached him with damaging information about a political rival -- and wouldn't necessarily report the contact to the FBI.

"I think you might want to listen," Trump said in an interview with ABC News that aired on Wednesday. "There isn't anything wrong with listening."
It was a stark -- if not entirely surprising -- expression of nonchalance from the President over foreign efforts to influence US politics. Trump has consistently downplayed Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 contest, and cast doubts on US intelligence agencies' assessments of the meddling.

It's a crime for a campaign to knowingly solicit or accept items of value from foreign nationals.
In the interview, though, Trump seemed to suggest rebuffing foreign governments would be unwarranted -- and unnecessary to report to federal law enforcement authorities.
That stance has put him at odds with national security professionals within his own administration. But Trump appeared unbothered by the discord in his interview, saying he would be open to any and all dirt on potential rivals.
"I think I'd want to hear it," Trump said, downplaying the idea such a move by another country would amount to election interference.

Democratic lawmakers responded incredulously to the President's remarks.
"It is shocking to hear the President say outright that he is willing to put himself indebt (sic) to a foreign power... not to mention the foreign interference in an American election part," House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler tweeted Wednesday night.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff found Trump's comment "stunning on the one hand and not at all surprising on the other," he told CNN's Erin Burnett.
"Donald Trump has made it clear that he will engage in any action, no matter how unethical or unpatriotic, that he will go right up to the line of what's legal and indeed it looks like he crossed that line many times," Schiff added.
Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence of Michigan told Burnett that Trump's meaning "is clear -- he didn't stutter, he said the FBI probably wouldn't understand it."
Accusing Trump of trying to determine "how he can violate the rules and policies of our country," Lawrence added, "It is past sad. It is past frustration. This is criminal. It is criminal, and we need to hold this President accountable."
Trump and his 2016 campaign have come under intense scrutiny -- and a special counsel investigation -- for their contacts with Russians during the last presidential election.
Special counsel Robert Mueller detailed extensive contact between Trump campaign associates and Russians, but did not conclude there was a criminal conspiracy. The contacts included a now-infamous meeting at Trump Tower between his son, Donald Trump Jr., and a lawyer with close ties to the Kremlin in which potentially damaging information about Hillary Clinton was on the table.
Only a month ago, Trump said he would "certainly agree to" a commitment not to use stolen information from foreign governments to damage a political rival.
"I don't need it," Trump said during a meeting with Hungary's prime minister. "All I need is the opponents that I'm looking at."
But asked Wednesday whether he would take opposition research being peddled by another government, Trump said he likely would.
"It's not an interference, they have information -- I think I'd take it," Trump said. "If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI -- if I thought there was something wrong."

Earlier Wednesday, Trump erroneously claimed from the Oval Office that his campaign rejected overtures from Russia when offered derogatory information about his opponent in 2016. He asserted falsely that Mueller's report "said we actually rebuffed your friends from Russia; that we actually pushed them back -- we rebuffed them."
Still, Trump said he wouldn't automatically report a foreign government's actions to US law enforcement -- something he says he's never considered doing in his lifetime.
"I'll tell you what, I've seen a lot of things over my life. I don't think in my whole life I've ever called the FBI. In my whole life. You don't call the FBI," he said. "You throw somebody out of your office, you do whatever you do."
"Life doesn't work that way," Trump said.
That's not the view taken by Trump's FBI director, who told lawmakers during his confirmation hearings it would be "wise" for political operatives -- including Trump's son after his meeting at Trump Tower -- to inform his agency about attempts by foreign governments to interfere in US elections.
Trump dismissed those concerns in his interview.
"The FBI director is wrong," he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/poli...itical-dirt-foreign-country-rivals/index.html
 

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I wonder if the CNN even realizes how ironic this article really is? I doubt it. They're tone deaf with the third if their audience gone.
 

Butler1000

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Do the Dossier as compiled by a foreign national is indeed illegal in your opinion bver?
 

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Do the Dossier as compiled by a foreign national is indeed illegal in your opinion bver?
Are you saying that only American citizens should be allowed to work for US companies?
Are you saying that Fusion GPS, an American company, is a foreign national?
Are you claiming that the British are not allies of the US and that experts in Russian foreign electoral fuckery must be American if they are to be hired or believed?
Steele ran an investigation dubbed "Project Charlemagne", which noted Russian interference in the domestic politics of France, Italy, Germany, Turkey, and the United Kingdom.[8] Steele concluded in April 2016 that Russia was engaged in an information warfare campaign with the goal of destroying the European Union.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele
 

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o the Dossier as compiled by a foreign national is indeed illegal in your opinion bver?
The document is just a pile of paper. Whatever criminality American law may establish attaches to who authored and published it, or who received it, and for what purpose.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Are you saying that only American citizens should be allowed to work for US companies?
Are you saying that Fusion GPS, an American company, is a foreign national?
Are you claiming that the British are not allies of the US and that experts in Russian foreign electoral fuckery must be American if they are to be hired or believed?
So if Trump simply accepts dirt on Biden through a US company its okay then by your standards??
 

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If it came from CNN or any legacy media it's fake news. Use that as a premise and you'll be right 99$ of the time. This will keep you way ahead of the curve. Don't listen to the trolls. Just use the 99% rule.
 

Frankfooter

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If it came from CNN or any legacy media it's fake news. Use that as a premise and you'll be right 99$ of the time. This will keep you way ahead of the curve. Don't listen to the trolls. Just use the 99% rule.
Quote of the day:
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.
Hannah Arendt's 'The Origins of Totalitarianism'
 

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"Russia, China, Iran, North Korea ...... if you are listening ......"

Trump has just given an open and public invitation to adversarial foreign governments to help him criminally steal the upcoming election.

Beholden, in the pocket, open to blackmail, a puppet, a Manchurian President .....
 

bver_hunter

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Do the Dossier as compiled by a foreign national is indeed illegal in your opinion bver?
Another defence on your idol butler?? How about all the Trump tower meetings with the Russians?? We have seen a number of Trump's campaign staff in jail or currently under indictment. Defend them all butler, as Sanders will be so proud of a supporter like you!!
 

Butler1000

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Are you saying that only American citizens should be allowed to work for US companies?
Are you saying that Fusion GPS, an American company, is a foreign national?
Are you claiming that the British are not allies of the US and that experts in Russian foreign electoral fuckery must be American if they are to be hired or believed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele
By letter of the law the Democrats recieved information of value(they paid for it) knowingly from a foreign national.

That's against the law. It's that simple.
 

Butler1000

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The document is just a pile of paper. Whatever criminality American law may establish attaches to who authored and published it, or who received it, and for what purpose.
Correct. And the source was a paid foreign national who obtained it from Russia. Supposedly.

At least that's what the Dems believed. And i might add didn't gave it to the FBI initially but shopped it to the press first.

Then used Sen. McCain as well as Bruce Ohr via his wife as conduits. As opposed to handing it directly.

They didn't hand it over directly for a reason.
 

Butler1000

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Another defence on your idol butler?? How about all the Trump tower meetings with the Russians?? We have seen a number of Trump's campaign staff in jail or currently under indictment. Defend them all butler, as Sanders will be so proud of a supporter like you!!
It's an attack on the Clinton Campaign and the DNC for using dirty and arguably illegal tactics in a campaign.

The Dems are as dirty as the GOP. There are no good guys in 2016. Grow up.
 

Butler1000

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"Russia, China, Iran, North Korea ...... if you are listening ......"

Trump has just given an open and public invitation to adversarial foreign governments to help him criminally steal the upcoming election.

Beholden, in the pocket, open to blackmail, a puppet, a Manchurian President .....
As opposed the secret ones arranged via the Clinton Global Initiative?
 

Butler1000

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Yes, that's called opposition research and its been part of US politics for a long time.
Maybe you can learn things after all....
Not if they know the source is a foreign national.
 

Frankfooter

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Not if they know the source is a foreign national.
How would they know, they hired Fusion GPS, a Washington based organization.
And then Fusion went and hired an expert on Russia to check that area out.

Nothing Steele did was illegal, as opposed to the hacking of the dem and Clinton emails, which clearly was illegal.
 

Butler1000

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How would they know, they hired Fusion GPS, a Washington based organization.
And then Fusion went and hired an expert on Russia to check that area out.

Nothing Steele did was illegal, as opposed to the hacking of the dem and Clinton emails, which clearly was illegal.
The lead on this was Nellie Ohr, the wife of the #4 at the FBI. She gave him the dossier as well.

Please, stop trying to make the Dems clean. It was dirty politics. As dirty as anything done.

Steele didn't do anything wrong. But the DNC and Fusion did. Why else did Bruce Simpson the owner of Fusion take the Fifth? He knows it was illegal.

The thing is the DNC brought this on themselves. This kind of thing has been going on for decades. Both parties did it but never attacked eachother over it.

Then Clinton Lost and the town of Washington went nuts. And tried to use the Trump tower meeting. All that did was expose the use of this tactic as normal.

Hoisted by their own petard.
 

Frankfooter

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The lead on this was Nellie Ohr, the wife of the #4 at the FBI. She gave him the dossier as well.

Please, stop trying to make the Dems clean. It was dirty politics. As dirty as anything done.

Steele didn't do anything wrong. But the DNC and Fusion did. Why else did Bruce Simpson the owner of Fusion take the Fifth? He knows it was illegal.

The thing is the DNC brought this on themselves. This kind of thing has been going on for decades. Both parties did it but never attacked eachother over it.

Then Clinton Lost and the town of Washington went nuts. And tried to use the Trump tower meeting. All that did was expose the use of this tactic as normal.

Hoisted by their own petard.
Nothing about the Republican and Democrat funded Piss Dossier was illegal.
Opposition research is legal and has been a common element for decades.
The only thing you don't like about this one is that all the rumours about Trump and his Russian mafia connections meant that Fusion GPS had to hire Steele out of due dilligence.
That he found so much incriminating dirt, much of which has been confirmed as legit by Mueller since, is totally on Trump.
If Trump was clean we wouldn't be still talking about this.

Contrast that with Trump publicly calling for Russia to illegally hack Clinton and the dems, which they did the night that Trump requested it publicly.
That was illegal.
 
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