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The "Bone" Ranger

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I generally steer clear of independents, as they are usually girls who have been around long enough that 1) they've gotten older and 2) been around the block enough that the thrill is gone. These should depreciate her value but instead she doubles her rates because her client base and free marketing (our reviews on this board) allow her to do so. More power to 'em. But this is the same girl you could've got yesterday for half the price when she was better looking and more eager to please. So I tend to stick with agencies. Though I should add that I have had some good experiences with independents.
Another great point and I will add that all the independents I frequent are priced around agency rates.
 

luvyeah

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I have only seen independents thus far.

What is the likelihood that after booking through an agency I will go back to indy's?
 

shack

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A point to the SPs who feel that the way we think is wrong.

Our perception is your reality, meaning that if this is the way that a great percentage of hobbyists feel, then that is what you are dealing with. Act accordingly or not, it is your choice.
 

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There are some basic economic rules....

* Charge more, volume goes down, but if you do it right, earnings can be maintained. You need to hit the price point and advertise well. Who wouldn't work less for the same (or more) money?
* Upscale is expensive: hair, makeup, nails, shoes, clothing, advertising, hotels. Dolly Parton famously said "It costs a lot of money to look this cheap".
* Part of the experience for me is to be with a woman who is "on point". This typically means she values herself, works on her game, and is educated. This all implies $.
* Everyone should know their potential and maximize their income. If you cannot afford it, work on *your* potential and then go get it.
* I learned a long time ago that cheap is always more expensive in the long run.
Well said Garrett

I mentor a few people in business and this is always where I start. Never undervalue yourself. Every employer wants you to, and you simply choose those who treat you as you deserve. In parallel, keep raising your game and your value.

I think some do not like the "reality check" of your statements.
Wise words

The White Knights in here that enjoy being marks and miss the point!

I'll give a few -

Mirage, Toronto Passion, SexyFriends, Hush, Sassy, Select- stick to the $250 ladies and you will have a great time. It is one hour and if you fool yourself into believing the indy provides anything more for the extra money you're a fool.

Off to breakfast. I'm taking the day off to relax from the Raptors win after party today. Around 11:30ish I'll call around to fill an hour or 2 with a wonderful agency lady , 1 or may 2, either together or back to back.
You just don't get it...:doh:

You do realize your passive aggressive response only reinforces the point (marks, fools, blah blah blah).

It is just money. Whether escorts or a pair of Saint Crispin's, spend it on what makes you happy. To pretend that anyone who exceeds a certain threshold is somehow being unwise with their money is ridiculous. We can spend the money *precisely* because we are wise with it.

As for what you are going to do with your day, none of us care. This is the point as well. Live your life, and don't judge others.
Guys like squeeze & rocco can't comprehend this no matter how many times it's said

i aint reading thru 5 pages of wah so i dunno if its been said before, but you could offer me $1,000 to suck a stranger’s dick and i wouldn’t do it. not to mention the behaviour women have to put up with with some men. these girls earn every penny imo. i wouldn’t pay $600 an hour to anyone, but if someone does pay this amount the girl earned it because she found someone to pay her this
Yep nothing like saying rates are too high when they have to open the door with a smile to a complete stranger that could be old enough to be their dad or grand dad & say yep I gotta duck him & make him leave with a smile. I don't think 10% of the guys on here could do that job but holy fack when a lady raises their rates fiddy or a hundred bucks they wanna crucify her!

Ugh. Not another rate thread. Talk about a topic that is done to death. Yes, there are great girls at agency rates, and there are amazing indies. Fiend your price point, and shop within in it. If an sp can charge a premium rate, and make a good living, more power to them.

Why have I mostly turned to (slightly) higher priced indy providers the pas few years? Well firstly I can afford it. It makes little difference to me 250-275-300... I rarely hobby and because my opportunity is limited, I’ll pay the rate that gets me time with the girl I want.

I set my own upper limit for spending on this hobby tho and dont exceed it, but I’d never call someone a fool who finds what meets their needs at a higher price point. I’m paying not only for a handful of sex acts, but an overall experience with a person who acts professionally, is reliable, treats me amazingly well every time and is always refreshed , energetic and knows what I want in the sack, and is great at doing that.
I agree 100%

Up to $300 if we were having a beer and you said this to me I wouldn't laugh, snicker or call you a fool and want to revoke your man card. It's the rates that hit $350 plus which I find foolish to pay and it has nothing to do with affordability. I disagree that indies are more reliable in keeping the appointment and I don't say this as a backhand slap to the ladies, it's life, things happen regardless agency, indy or even with the johns when booking so far in advance. You may have been lucky with your regulars but shit happens, sickness, family emergencies, etc...

Also, do you really know how many clients the lady has seen or how many men have been in the bed prior to you? No, although I do believe indys see fewer men just based on their fee structure alone but it maybe 3 or 4 vs 6 or 7, it is usually not just one unless she's having a really bad day.
Yep anything above $350 is foolish...freakin dumb asses having a good time at $400 fools I tell you!

A few thoughts that crossed my mind when I saw this thread:

2) There are hundreds of reasons why people charge what they charge and pay what they pay and there and clients and providers at all price levels. Why worry about it? Do what works for you. There is no need to spend time worrying about what other people do.

5) Why the bitterness? I like making money - we all do. If a lady can charge $600 per hour and meet her goals in life then good for her. I try to make as much money as I can in my job. I'm sure most of us do. Why get upset when SPs do the same?

6) If you can't handle the rates that most providers charge then go on SA or Tinder. These days you might even find you meet some of the exactly same women.
Ding ding ding Johnny tell him what he won!

You know!?!?!?!

To the guys complaining - would you turn down more money from your job if your boss offered it? No. If you could work smaller hours at a better time of day that works for you, would you decline? No.

Sorry but come on. If you can't afford a Lamborghini or Ferrari, do you bitch about that or buy a car you can afford? Think about it. No you don't. So why do you think it is ok when it comes to escorts. ”Give an average Joe a break” I would love to see you say that to any other company! LMAO

There are ladies in your price point, ladies who don't need screening if you don't like, ladies who work all hours of the day or night, so go to them and quit winning like little babies.
Well said Ms Rain
 

rocco_s

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I think the main point of this thread is to educate the various members there are sps that work at agencies and sbs who you can find on various platforms who have lower price points than independent sps for similar services. More power to the independents who can charge $1000 an hr.

I am assuming most of the guys here make a decent living and make $500k or more. At $1000/hr it would be difficult to afford those rates once a week for a few hrs and also have a sb.

I used to utilize independents when I started but have never utilized one in years.

I have found a number of gems among the agencies. $250/hr for an hr is a great rate and you can have a sb on the side.
 

deezed

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I have only seen independents thus far.

What is the likelihood that after booking through an agency I will go back to indy's?
I dont know the answer but I have only done the agency route - do to simplicity and vast selection (although I max out at 300 )
 

shack

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Yep nothing like saying rates are too high when they have to open the door with a smile to a complete stranger that could be old enough to be their dad or grand dad & say yep I gotta duck him & make him leave with a smile. I don't think 10% of the guys on here could do that job
Is that any different for agency girls?

but holy fack when a lady raises their rates fiddy or a hundred bucks they wanna crucify her!
I've never seen an agency raise their rates $50-100 in one pop. Pretty sure that they'd lose waaay over 1/2 their business.
 

luvyeah

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I dont know the answer but I have only done the agency route - do to simplicity and vast selection (although I max out at 300 )
I'm all on board. I have only seen 1 $400/h provider, great but nothing justified the extra 100/150. It just really isn't worth it.

I'd much rather tip a $300/h or $200/h $100 or $200 after she has proved herself.

But even then sometimes I feel it isn't worth it.

Because their rate is so high anyways and the amount of volume that some get, generally speaking, most don't appreciate a gift unless it is a substantial amount.
 

Jasmine Raine

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A point to the SPs who feel that the way we think is wrong.

Our perception is your reality, meaning that if this is the way that a great percentage of hobbyists feel, then that is what you are dealing with. Act accordingly or not, it is your choice.
Thank you for proving that your perception is not our reality. We have been trying to tell you this for a while.

Because a greater number of hobbyist are not feeling this way as proof by the fact that we are still making money. You are the minority. Sorry.
 

squeezer

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Thank you for proving that your perception is not our reality. We have been trying to tell you this for a while.

Because a greater number of hobbyist are not feeling this way as proof by the fact that we are still making money. You are the minority. Sorry.
Let us do a test. Jessica for the month of July raise your price to $350 an hour in Durham and no grandfathering in regulars. Then be honest and let us know if your monthly income, dropped, stayed the same or increased.
 

squeezer

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You just don't get it...:doh:
Guys like squeeze & rocco can't comprehend this no matter how many times it's said
SB, you decide to buy your dream car. A Volkswagen, Kia, Porsche or Maserati I don't care. Dealership A is selling it for $10k more than dealership B, same car, same mileage but you somehow believe through the smoke and mirrors the salesperson at Dealership A likes you more and sees fewer clients, showers every morning and really cares about you. Will you go give them the extra 10K with an Amazon gift card because you are just a good guy?
 

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Many years ago I watched an HBO special on one of the legal brothels in Nevada and was shocked how much they charge. Can't remember, but it was more than $1,000 a session, maybe much more. And while the ladies were OK, it's not like they were super models. I'd never pay that much, but couldn't care less if anyone else does.
So I don't understand the point of this thread. If the OP fears high indy prices will cause agencies to jack up their prices en masse, it would doubt it. All it would take is one or two to keep their prices the same and their business would increase substantially. Isn't that why the prices at most of these agencies are roughly the same (160/hh, 250-300 hr. range)?
 

shack

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Thank you for proving that your perception is not our reality.
We are your source of income. There's an old saying that still rings true for any business...the customer is always right. Deal with it. It is pretty arrogant (and stupid) for a business to not give a shit about what their customers think.
 

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SPs pricing themselves out of my range falls absolutely lowest on my list of concerns in this hobby. Poor hygiene, threatening to dox people and stealing all rank higher.
 

shack

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Because a greater number of hobbyist are not feeling this way as proof by the fact that we are still making money. You are the minority. Sorry.
I can only go by what I see here on TERB and the complainers are the majority.

If so much of your clientele aside from TERB wants to pony up more money than they actually need to, why do you bother advertising here amongst all the cheapskates?
 

rocco_s

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I don't know about that...
Why dont you think so? I bet alot of guys here have a lot of disposable income. I am getting messages from other about their sb and what they pay and where they take them. I am guessing most of the guys here who can pay 250 to 400 an hr make decent coin. My monthly sp and SB budget is around 3k but I want to have both worlds on that. 36k a year after tax money is a alot to me and others.
 

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I can only go by what I see here on TERB and the complainers are the majority.

If so much of your clientele aside from TERB wants to pony up more money than they actually need to, why do you bother advertising here amongst all the cheapskates?
Your posts are literally cancer to my brain cells.

I can't even get started on you.
 
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