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Stefania

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I speak the truth.
I could say so many things to you right now but last time I insulted one of you guys on here the admins got mad at me and deleted my posts.

...good thing I have other places I can voice my opinion without filter. Hope you keep an eye out for it!
 

Minormajor

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I could say so many things to you right now but last time I insulted one of you guys on here the admins got mad at me and deleted my posts.

...good thing I have other places I can voice my opinion without filter. Hope you keep an eye out for it!
Gotta ask. If you think mods are going to get mad and delete your posts why bother responding at all?
 

Stefania

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Like I said earlier, better info than a friggin' review!
Didnt we establish earlier I had no interest in seeing clients like you? Not sure why you're posting just agreeing with me. I don't want to see you, you don't want to see me. What's the problem again??? My business model is working exactly the way I want it to.
 

Jasmine Raine

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Let us do a test. Jessica for the month of July raise your price to $350 an hour in Durham and no grandfathering in regulars. Then be honest and let us know if your monthly income, dropped, stayed the same or increased.

YA, I would do that just like I would lower them and test that for you too. Give me a break! How about you put your money on the line as well..... That was really dumb and I actually expect better from you.

We are your source of income. There's an old saying that still rings true for any business...the customer is always right. Deal with it. It is pretty arrogant (and stupid) for a business to not give a shit about what their customers think.
First, where did I say I didn't care about what MY customers think? Where did I insult you? I didn't

I stated a fact. Women are making money. If they were not making money, then it would be quite clear that they were not. So we know that they are and making enough of it. Which means it is more than one guy or a handful that are booking up these women. Which means, they would be her majority and you would be the minority.

TERB is not the "BE-ALL" of the industry. TERB is a 10-15% subculture. That is fact. I'm sorry you don't like those facts but explaining those facts and doing so based on your own argument, is not being arrogant or stupid. It is just explaining a fact.

And second, NO - the customer is NOT always right and that just shows why you are not up to snuff in this debate. Sorry.

PS - you are not supplying my income. I have income, this is a hobby I get cash from. There is a BIG difference. Please do not for one minute think you have some sort of power or control over me with the bullying bullshit about income. I'm getting quite sick of that one. Direct that shit to someone else if you want to, but not to me.

I can only go by what I see here on TERB and the complainers are the majority.

If so much of your clientele aside from TERB wants to pony up more money than they actually need to, why do you bother advertising here amongst all the cheapskates?
Where did I say anyone was a cheapskate? Why are you putting words in my mouth?????

I pay for TERB because I can. That is really is the bottom line. I pay upfront, on time, all the time and it is so automatic I don't even notice it. I don't get the bulk of my business from here, but I direct business here. I have followers who will follow me here just like they do on Twitter, it is all about of greater branding. Easier to localize a following. Anyone in real business understands this.

What "YOUR" side falls to see and why you will always come up short is, we on "MY" side have no issue with where you hobby, how you hobby, etc. WE wish you well. YOU and your crew, wish us failed business, wish us to be under the power of YOU so you can decide and dictate for us our rates, screening, etc. My clients would wish you to find the equal joy they have found in spending time with me. You want to call them idiots and fools, and wish me the loss of their money.

We are willing to agree to disagree, let bygones be bygones, and you and your lot, can't seem to do that simple task in return. So call us whatever the fuck you want, because again reality is what reality it, and you not being able to live and let live shows more about you than anything you call us.

Anyway, I'm in St.John's this week, going to look at icebergs and whales, eat fish and chips and you know it ..... Get laid and paid!

Peace out muthafuckas!
 

squeezer

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YA, I would do that just like I would lower them and test that for you too. Give me a break! How about you put your money on the line as well..... That was really dumb and I actually expect better from you.




First, where did I say I didn't care about what MY customers think? Where did I insult you? I didn't

I stated a fact. Women are making money. If they were not making money, then it would be quite clear that they were not. So we know that they are and making enough of it. Which means it is more than one guy or a handful that are booking up these women. Which means, they would be her majority and you would be the minority.

TERB is not the "BE-ALL" of the industry. TERB is a 10-15% subculture. That is fact. I'm sorry you don't like those facts but explaining those facts and doing so based on your own argument, is not being arrogant or stupid. It is just explaining a fact.

And second, NO - the customer is NOT always right and that just shows why you are not up to snuff in this debate. Sorry.

PS - you are not supplying my income. I have income, this is a hobby I get cash from. There is a BIG difference. Please do not for one minute think you have some sort of power or control over me with the bullying bullshit about income. I'm getting quite sick of that one. Direct that shit to someone else if you want to, but not to me.



Where did I say anyone was a cheapskate? Why are you putting words in my mouth?????

I pay for TERB because I can. That is really is the bottom line. I pay upfront, on time, all the time and it is so automatic I don't even notice it. I don't get the bulk of my business from here, but I direct business here. I have followers who will follow me here just like they do on Twitter, it is all about of greater branding. Easier to localize a following. Anyone in real business understands this.

What "YOUR" side falls to see and why you will always come up short is, we on "MY" side have no issue with where you hobby, how you hobby, etc. WE wish you well. YOU and your crew, wish us failed business, wish us to be under the power of YOU so you can decide and dictate for us our rates, screening, etc. My clients would wish you to find the equal joy they have found in spending time with me. You want to call them idiots and fools, and wish me the loss of their money.

We are willing to agree to disagree, let bygones be bygones, and you and your lot, can't seem to do that simple task in return. So call us whatever the fuck you want, because again reality is what reality it, and you not being able to live and let live shows more about you than anything you call us.

Anyway, I'm in St.John's this week, going to look at icebergs and whales, eat fish and chips and you know it ..... Get laid and paid!

Peace out muthafuckas!
In my business, my money is on the line 24 hrs, 6 days a week. Sunday is the day business doesn't exist in my books.

You keep getting your panties in a knot over some of us (the crew) pointing out there are better ways to hobby at a certain rate. Yet you nicely fit into that rate and as long as one enjoys mature and curvy nobody here is criticizing your model. Screening is another issue and again, that's up to the comfort level of the individual buyer although in your case, I do believe one is safe from one day being outed on Twitter as some SP's have done with personal info.

How dare you call us Muthafuckas!! I hope you get a cod jump into your bra and the tail slap you on the chin!:fish:

Didnt we establish earlier I had no interest in seeing clients like you? Not sure why you're posting just agreeing with me. I don't want to see you, you don't want to see me. What's the problem again??? My business model is working exactly the way I want it to.
It amazes me some actually book you! Even based on your Twitter I wouldn't call you if you were $100 an hour to be honest but that's ok, I know I know, you don't want my business and I won't give it to you so it's all good.

https://twitter.com/StefaniaVillaTO/status/1140329231370600448
 
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The "Bone" Ranger

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For a bunch of ladies that don't care what we think about them or their rates (and have a solid business) they seem to be coming back to this thread again and again and again...
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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Didnt we establish earlier I had no interest in seeing clients like you? Not sure why you're posting just agreeing with me. I don't want to see you, you don't want to see me. What's the problem again??? My business model is working exactly the way I want it to.
Looking at your requirements I really wonder what kind of cucks actually book you?
 

Minormajor

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YA, I would do that just like I would lower them and test that for you too. Give me a break! How about you put your money on the line as well..... That was really dumb and I actually expect better from you.



First, where did I say I didn't care about what MY customers think? Where did I insult you? I didn't

I stated a fact. Women are making money. If they were not making money, then it would be quite clear that they were not. So we know that they are and making enough of it. Which means it is more than one guy or a handful that are booking up these women. Which means, they would be her majority and you would be the minority.

TERB is not the "BE-ALL" of the industry. TERB is a 10-15% subculture. That is fact. I'm sorry you don't like those facts but explaining those facts and doing so based on your own argument, is not being arrogant or stupid. It is just explaining a fact.

And second, NO - the customer is NOT always right and that just shows why you are not up to snuff in this debate. Sorry.

PS - you are not supplying my income. I have income, this is a hobby I get cash from. There is a BIG difference. Please do not for one minute think you have some sort of power or control over me with the bullying bullshit about income. I'm getting quite sick of that one. Direct that shit to someone else if you want to, but not to me.



Where did I say anyone was a cheapskate? Why are you putting words in my mouth?????

I pay for TERB because I can. That is really is the bottom line. I pay upfront, on time, all the time and it is so automatic I don't even notice it. I don't get the bulk of my business from here, but I direct business here. I have followers who will follow me here just like they do on Twitter, it is all about of greater branding. Easier to localize a following. Anyone in real business understands this.

What "YOUR" side falls to see and why you will always come up short is, we on "MY" side have no issue with where you hobby, how you hobby, etc. WE wish you well. YOU and your crew, wish us failed business, wish us to be under the power of YOU so you can decide and dictate for us our rates, screening, etc. My clients would wish you to find the equal joy they have found in spending time with me. You want to call them idiots and fools, and wish me the loss of their money.

We are willing to agree to disagree, let bygones be bygones, and you and your lot, can't seem to do that simple task in return. So call us whatever the fuck you want, because again reality is what reality it, and you not being able to live and let live shows more about you than anything you call us.

Anyway, I'm in St.John's this week, going to look at icebergs and whales, eat fish and chips and you know it ..... Get laid and paid!

Peace out muthafuckas!
Damn add gallops and poly rythmes to some of this and you've got a pretty badass prog song lol.
 

victoriajolie

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YA, I would do that just like I would lower them and test that for you too. Give me a break! How about you put your money on the line as well..... That was really dumb and I actually expect better from you.



First, where did I say I didn't care about what MY customers think? Where did I insult you? I didn't

I stated a fact. Women are making money. If they were not making money, then it would be quite clear that they were not. So we know that they are and making enough of it. Which means it is more than one guy or a handful that are booking up these women. Which means, they would be her majority and you would be the minority.

TERB is not the "BE-ALL" of the industry. TERB is a 10-15% subculture. That is fact. I'm sorry you don't like those facts but explaining those facts and doing so based on your own argument, is not being arrogant or stupid. It is just explaining a fact.

And second, NO - the customer is NOT always right and that just shows why you are not up to snuff in this debate. Sorry.

PS - you are not supplying my income. I have income, this is a hobby I get cash from. There is a BIG difference. Please do not for one minute think you have some sort of power or control over me with the bullying bullshit about income. I'm getting quite sick of that one. Direct that shit to someone else if you want to, but not to me.



Where did I say anyone was a cheapskate? Why are you putting words in my mouth?????

I pay for TERB because I can. That is really is the bottom line. I pay upfront, on time, all the time and it is so automatic I don't even notice it. I don't get the bulk of my business from here, but I direct business here. I have followers who will follow me here just like they do on Twitter, it is all about of greater branding. Easier to localize a following. Anyone in real business understands this.

What "YOUR" side falls to see and why you will always come up short is, we on "MY" side have no issue with where you hobby, how you hobby, etc. WE wish you well. YOU and your crew, wish us failed business, wish us to be under the power of YOU so you can decide and dictate for us our rates, screening, etc. My clients would wish you to find the equal joy they have found in spending time with me. You want to call them idiots and fools, and wish me the loss of their money.

We are willing to agree to disagree, let bygones be bygones, and you and your lot, can't seem to do that simple task in return. So call us whatever the fuck you want, because again reality is what reality it, and you not being able to live and let live shows more about you than anything you call us.

Anyway, I'm in St.John's this week, going to look at icebergs and whales, eat fish and chips and you know it ..... Get laid and paid!

Peace out muthafuckas!
Amen sister well said!

What I learned since 2008 on this board been those guys.The ones complaining Arent prospect clients not because of me...Why we still advertise it’s because on all of you complaining They are lurkers that wish to meet us on the board.

Those that are old member remember how I got grill for screening and my rates .
personally i have no hope in changes how can I when countries been fighting over 1000 years

I accepted that squeezer blue ball & shark will never be the clients I want nor I attrack & it’s good !
 

shack

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I could say so many things to you right now but last time I insulted one of you guys on here the admins got mad at me and deleted my posts.

...good thing I have other places I can voice my opinion without filter. Hope you keep an eye out for it!
You can PM me. All I am saying is that if a bunch of guys on here are complaining, as a business person you need to accept that they are sincere with what they are saying and as such their opinions, whether correct or not, could impact your business. Whether or not you wish to make any changes is up to you. I'm not saying you have to because I don't really care.

All I am saying is be aware of what your clients are saying and do what you feel, if anything at all. But arguing and even insulting your clients and taking a holier than thou attitude is definitely not a good business plan.

Listen and be aware. No more. No less.
 

Minormajor

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Looking at your requirements I really wonder what kind of cucks actually book you?
See now I could give two shits about rates. What makes me laugh is the screening process some (not all) use. Might as well say no musicians like were all a bunch of lowlifes lol Guess Geddy Lee and Maynard Keenan aren't getting an appointment lmao. They get stereotyped then they turn around and do the same thing. Doesn't bother me just think its funny.
 

uchual

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Well, this is an interesting study into the psyche and behavioural characteristics of some SPs...Scary, to say the least.

I stick to my thoughts that, as a business, you either adapt or die (look to what happened to brick and mortar retailers who thought that online sales would never impact their bottom line). Right now, there's so much competition, and yet some of the SPs think that the answer is to keep increasing prices, because they are the Ferrari, Gucci, Louis Vuitton, whatever..and they prefer their obedient, submissive customers to just pay up and shut up...LOL.

It does not work like that, ladies. It's a service, and in service, yes quality is important but price is also very important, especially when there are so many providers that offer the same, or even better experiences, for less....Come on, let's get real!!
 

shack

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First, where did I say I didn't care about what MY customers think? Where did I insult you? I didn't
You didn't and I never said that you did.


And second, NO - the customer is NOT always right and that just shows why you are not up to snuff in this debate. Sorry.
Business people a lot smarter than I take this long standing credo to heart. For you to not acknowledge the "figurative" aspect of this truism means you are not up to snuff in how you treat your clients.
 

Minormajor

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It does not work like that, ladies. It's a service, and in service, yes quality is important but price is also very important, especially when there are so many providers that offer the same, or even better experiences, for less....Come on, let's get real!!
Ah now see for me service is everything. Now I probably haven't seen anywhere near the number of escorts y'all have seen but to be fair can't say I've ever had anything but a blast with any of them. I don't rail on their rates. I figure it's their deal. What I don't like are obnoxious judgemental screening practices. Just because my business contact is Napalm records or Duece pedals and rigs and not Franklin Templeton somehow I'm not worthy of a booking. The hypocrisy of it is cringe worthy and wonder why Slipknot writes songs like People=Shit.
 

oil&gas

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I think the main point of this thread is to educate the various members there are sps that work at agencies and sbs who you can find on various platforms who have lower price points than independent sps for similar services. More power to the independents who can charge $1000 an hr.
A more worthy cause is to de-educate hobbyists into believing
pricey indies are of better value than dirt cheap 30 min sessions
offered by agency girls. If I were a regular customer of McDonald
I'd not want customers of gourmet restaurants to be aware of the
quality of Mac's steak burger. I don't want longer line up. Likewise
if I could only afford low-price SPs I would not want more hobbyists
switching away from indies to agencies. For that would make booking
more difficult. Besides, why would I want to enlighten suckers who
overpaid? It would be great if costs of seeing budget escorts were
further bought down when cheapos are convinced of the better
quality of high-cost indies. Even if price stayed the same at least
chance is better I'd be the 10th instead of the 11th
customer of the day to DFK the SP.
 

doggystyle99

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Wow finally someone with some sense. You know, I normally think this board is 90% trash and do my best to stay away from it sans bumping my ads because 90% of the members are carcinogenic to my brain cells, but then you get the occasional person like you who is rational and makes sense.

Of course the cancer of the board will call you a white knight but they like to bully and tear down anyone who doesn't agree with their self-serving points, so you know you're doing something right. ;)

Keep doing what you're doing!
Your posts are literally cancer to my brain cells.

I can't even get started on you.
I could say so many things to you right now but last time I insulted one of you guys on here the admins got mad at me and deleted my posts.

...good thing I have other places I can voice my opinion without filter. Hope you keep an eye out for it!
Thankfully for you Twitter is filled with YES MAM people so you'll get the results you are looking for. ;)
Thankfully for us experienced hobbyists we use boards, blogs and Twitter to weed out bad attitude and complaining SP's who constantly complain about hobbyists and attempt to ridicule.

Didnt we establish earlier I had no interest in seeing clients like you? Not sure why you're posting just agreeing with me. I don't want to see you, you don't want to see me. What's the problem again??? My business model is working exactly the way I want it to.
So you have insulted members before.
Surely the 90% of guys on TERB who you claim to be "trash" can read your trash posts. As I said in another thread hobbyists whould use boards and Twitter to avoid bad attitude SP's.
Why would anyone waste their own time and money advertising on a board that they know 90% of the members are trash. That is beyond comprehension.
I just quickly looked over your twitter and it's even worse, for every 10 posts you make 9 are complaining or negative. What a horrible attitude you have it's clear you don't like the industry you're in.
 

Iloveass

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Don’t question their rates. If you can’t afford them move on and find someone you can afford. I personally like seeing the girls with higher rates they are way nicer and genuinely enjoy seeing you because they don’t see many guys.
 

doggystyle99

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Don’t question their rates. If you can’t afford them move on and find someone you can afford. I personally like seeing the girls with higher rates they are way nicer and genuinely enjoy seeing you because they don’t see many guys.
People can post threads about whatever they please, If you didn't like this thread you could have not posted anything but here you are putting your 2 cents. In my experience there is no direct correlation between rates, looks, service or attitude but I've only seen probably 100-150 different SP's mostly in Toronto anywhere from $200-400/hr.
Who have you seen at higher rates? As I checked your posts and there is not a single review about indy SP's or higher priced SP like the OP is asking $300-600/hr indy's, just one general comment in passing about Celine at TGF who is at the lower end of what the OP of this thread is talking about at $300/hr.
 
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