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John Henry

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Well, if you were going to fuck your mechanic, sure. Personally, I ain't touching mine even if he is lubed up 90% of the time.

Comparing random services to one where you fuck someone (or get fucked, who am I to judge) is ridiculous. Even worse, for mechanics, there are people who pay more for better or specialty service. Not all shops are remotely the same and there is a wide range from the chains (Cdn tire, mr lube) to dealers to some great independents and specialists. Net is your example fails.

There is economic theory that can explain all of the dynamics at play. None of this is "new" but people just don't like reality sometimes.
My example does not fail at all . The ladies love to compare buying expensive cars to the lesser priced ones . Do they fuck the expensive cars better . Will the ladies fuck better if they get paid more for doing so .

By the way not everyone actually fucks a SP when they see them . Just trying to say more money does not always mean better service with a Sp or with anything for that matter .. If a person believes that than they are a fool .

Next time you go grocery shopping pay double for all of your items . This way it makes sure that you get the best products possible . Who knows maybe some people will fuck a watermelon . Cheaper than seeing a high priced independent and you end up with the same result . LOL
 

Brentt556677

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Don't see why many of you ladies are getting your knickers all tied up here about men complaining about some of the prices that are being charged by SP's . Really who cares . Are you afraid that you might loose some clients because of these threads ?

People have all kinds opinions about prices these days . The price of gas , groceries , movies and so on . It never stops .

Clients will get better service with higher priced SP's . Really !!! What kind of service were you providing before you changed your prices . Were you short changing your clients in terms of service before the higher prices . One of you said that you are able to provide a better service with higher prices . How is that . Because you're getting more money you are giving a better service .

Some people like to compare car shopping to booking a SP . If you can't afford that fancy car than don't complain about the prices . Is that the way you SP's want to look at things . You are selling your bodies to make money or are you selling an experience .

A client will get better service because he is willing to pay a higher price . Really . Then any of you people who agree with that will have no problem in paying double the rate of a garage or dealership because you're gonna get a better service on your vehicle . LOL . You'd be getting a better service in paying $200 hr for labour for example than the same place charging only $100 hr to other clients . REALLY .

I have seen many items at the Dollar store that sell for 3 or 4 times more at stores like Bass Pro . The exact same item in the same packaging . Does that mean that the item at Bass Pro is better because it's priced a lot higher . Give your head a shake . Higher prices does not always mean a better product or service .

If you had a lawn care service cut your lawn and you were paying $50 a cut . That service raised the price to double because he said that he could cut your lawn better with the higher price would you say yea sure no problem ?

Higher prices does not always mean better quality or service . If you believe that it does than you are a fool .
Words from the wise
 

penelopebloom

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at the end of the day, sex and companionship is a physical activity that requires providers to be in the best mood/health to be able to deliver perfect romantic encounters. i'm not slutshaming when i say this, but just from a practical standpoint, seeing 5-7 clients back to back in one shift is not an optimal way to do this type of work and still be able to enjoy it. and the SP enjoying her work is KEY to a good experience for the client. attraction is a two way street. personally, i like to devote both mental and physical attention to all my clients, and most of ways the agencies operate - although potentially better for the client's wallet - does not facilitate this.

the agency model is premised on quantity over quality - they have overhead, rent, laundry, bookers, drivers, having to manage multiple, potentially flakey women simultaneously, etc, where their bread and butter relies on the 30 min/$160 bookings. quality encounters will always be compromised in these scenarios.

speaking from my own experience, i get specific requests from clients who have done their research and they have booked me specifically because they want to see ME. indies who have mastered a unique form of branding and can convey specific personas that stand out from the masses will tend to build repeat client bases that aren't the type of undesirable 'hobbyist' who tend to see pussy as interchangeable. most indie SPs know this. most agency marketing seems to promote the idea that their SPs are somewhat interchangeable (pressuring clients to see one girl when another isn't available even when the experience could be very different).

and honestly, as i'm sure has been already mentioned (i haven't bothered to read this entire thread), men on here should stop acting as if they have a right to sexually access any woman's body just because she happens to offer it for sale.

that other guy earlier was right, you guys are the criminals now. you should be glad you can even access the diverse range of beautiful women in this city at such variable rates. if this was new york, you'd be looking at 500-700+ USD/hour easy.

most agencies in toronto haven't raised their rates in probably over a decade. that's fine, agencies no longer dictate the standards in this industry. indies have raised standards across the board in so many ways that have improved our working conditions over the years (stringent screening, demanding better client behaviour, blacklisting/sharing bad client lists, deposits, etc), and most of it is due to the ease of direct marketing via the internet and cutting out the middleman. all the successful agency escorts move onto becoming indies eventually. i wouldn't be surprised to see the agency model start dying out altogether soon, or at least significantly reducing in its power to determine how this industry operates.
 

oil&gas

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Hard to believe agencies are dying out soon. With
all the agency escorts turning into indies we will soon
see price floor going down to below $200/hr. And without
agency girls supplying the needed reference screening
requirement will mostly be reduced to an unblocked phone
number.
 

squeezer

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at the end of the day, sex and companionship is a physical activity that requires providers to be in the best mood/health to be able to deliver perfect romantic encounters. i'm not slutshaming when i say this, but just from a practical standpoint, seeing 5-7 clients back to back in one shift is not an optimal way to do this type of work and still be able to enjoy it. and the SP enjoying her work is KEY to a good experience for the client. attraction is a two way street. personally, i like to devote both mental and physical attention to all my clients, and most of ways the agencies operate - although potentially better for the client's wallet - does not facilitate this.

the agency model is premised on quantity over quality - they have overhead, rent, laundry, bookers, drivers, having to manage multiple, potentially flakey women simultaneously, etc, where their bread and butter relies on the 30 min/$160 bookings. quality encounters will always be compromised in these scenarios.

speaking from my own experience, i get specific requests from clients who have done their research and they have booked me specifically because they want to see ME. indies who have mastered a unique form of branding and can convey specific personas that stand out from the masses will tend to build repeat client bases that aren't the type of undesirable 'hobbyist' who tend to see pussy as interchangeable. most indie SPs know this. most agency marketing seems to promote the idea that their SPs are somewhat interchangeable (pressuring clients to see one girl when another isn't available even when the experience could be very different).

and honestly, as i'm sure has been already mentioned (i haven't bothered to read this entire thread), men on here should stop acting as if they have a right to sexually access any woman's body just because she happens to offer it for sale.

that other guy earlier was right, you guys are the criminals now. you should be glad you can even access the diverse range of beautiful women in this city at such variable rates. if this was new york, you'd be looking at 500-700+ USD/hour easy.

most agencies in toronto haven't raised their rates in probably over a decade. that's fine, agencies no longer dictate the standards in this industry. indies have raised standards across the board in so many ways that have improved our working conditions over the years (stringent screening, demanding better client behaviour, blacklisting/sharing bad client lists, deposits, etc), and most of it is due to the ease of direct marketing via the internet and cutting out the middleman. all the successful agency escorts move onto becoming indies eventually. i wouldn't be surprised to see the agency model start dying out altogether soon, or at least significantly reducing in its power to determine how this industry operates.
That would be your wish but agencies are strong and hopefully here to stay for a very long time. Mirage, SexyFriends, Hush , TDL are always very very busy. Try booking an appointment last minute if you would like a particular lady and see how far that gets you. Most of the prudent hobbyist and I love the name hobbyist know where to find the top notch ladies. Yes with enough reviews that lady may go on to be an overpriced indy but at least the smart hobbyist has seen her when she was younger, hotter and not so full of herself.
 

black booty lover

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And the OP is nowhere to be found. Fucking love it. If your ever board and feel like stirring the pot, all you have to do is start one of these threads....lol.


The part that kills me is no matter how much debate goes on about it, the market regulates itself. Why is that so hard to understand? lol
 

fall

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And the OP is nowhere to be found. Fucking love it. If your ever board and feel like stirring the pot, all you have to do is start one of these threads....lol.


The part that kills me is no matter how much debate goes on about it, the market regulates itself. Why is that so hard to understand? lol
And if you push the gas pedal, the car will move forward. It is that easy. And, of cause, the answer to the question of "why the car moves forward" is "because you pushed the gas pedal". Only a few people will try to think about the reason why pushing the gas pedal makes the car moving forward. Yes, the marked will regulate itself. The question is: are we already in equilibrium? If yes, why this equilibrium is the way it is. If not, what is the equilibrium we should converge to?
 

_Melissa

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I just thought of something to add,

When I see the agency ladies for $250/hr, its kissing, daty, digits, fs, bbbj and usually bbbjcim. Do you now at your elite prices offer these services too and if so, did you before?

FYI, I have no idea what you are charging just so we are clear.
I do not do PSE services so cim is a no for me and some of those services I never used to do before when my rates were lower. However, my rates are not solely based on how many services I offer. That's the thing that those who complain about price aren't grasping. It's based on the time I spend with you, the investment I put into myself, my incall and your experience just so you are ensured a good time. I won't go into details of what I do to service my gents but in addition to that I spend money to ensure my incall is stocked with everything you might need. I pay attention to details as well. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else but I certainly make a big effort before, during and after each appointment and I think that's worth something. Back when I was charging 200/hr, I certainly didn't really put in so much effort. I got my incall, post an ad and the guy was in and out. I treated it as a transaction but I was still pleasant enough that my service wasn't horrible. It definitely could've been better. Now that I'm charging 300 - 350/hr I actually put in real work and extra effort to ensure that every single person that walks through my door is comfortable, entertained and has the best possible experience I could give them. I actually want them to feel like they got their money's worth because I know that people work hard for their money. That matters to me. I no longer treat it like a transaction, I treat it like a date with my boyfriend. I give each person 120% of myself each time and that can be physically, mentally and emotionally draining doing that over and over. I set my prices to what makes sense for me personally and what I'm comfortable with while still observing the market.

Because of the lengths I go through to make sure I'm the best SP I can be for my clients, I'm not interested in marketing to those that won't appreciate the effort. I'm Not going to be appealing to the guys that want a quick bang. I market to gents in search of a quality companion and a passionate connection. There's nothing wrong with either end of the spectrum. If some guys want a quick cheap bang then there's a market for that and they'll find a girl for that. If some guys want a top notch experience there's a market for that to. Different strokes for different folks. To each their own. So why complain about it? Why should EVERY SP have to charge lower prices? Why can't some be expensive and others cost more like everything else in life? Why can't some appeal to rich and others appeal to the not so rich? Why is this even an issue?
 

_Melissa

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Ding Dong, the witch is dead LOL...John nailed it and I have nothing further to add!

At least for now!
Sure it's not guaranteed. Nothing in life is guaranteed. Lower prices doesn't guarantee better service either. Yet with a higher price it is more LIKELY. Not guaranteed but still more likely.
 

uchual

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Sure it's not guaranteed. Nothing in life is guaranteed. Lower prices doesn't guarantee better service either. Yet with a higher price it is more LIKELY. Not guaranteed but still more likely.
Uh...Nope. Likelihood of good service has nothing to do with price. It's all on the SP.
 

squeezer

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I do not do PSE services so cim is a no for me and some of those services I never used to do before when my rates were lower. However, my rates are not solely based on how many services I offer. That's the thing that those who complain about price aren't grasping. It's based on the time I spend with you, the investment I put into myself, my incall and your experience just so you are ensured a good time. I won't go into details of what I do to service my gents but in addition to that I spend money to ensure my incall is stocked with everything you might need. I pay attention to details as well. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else but I certainly make a big effort before, during and after each appointment and I think that's worth something. Back when I was charging 200/hr, I certainly didn't really put in so much effort. I got my incall, post an ad and the guy was in and out. I treated it as a transaction but I was still pleasant enough that my service wasn't horrible. It definitely could've been better. Now that I'm charging 300 - 350/hr I actually put in real work and extra effort to ensure that every single person that walks through my door is comfortable, entertained and has the best possible experience I could give them. I actually want them to feel like they got their money's worth because I know that people work hard for their money. That matters to me. I no longer treat it like a transaction, I treat it like a date with my boyfriend. I give each person 120% of myself each time and that can be physically, mentally and emotionally draining doing that over and over. I set my prices to what makes sense for me personally and what I'm comfortable with while still observing the market.

Because of the lengths I go through to make sure I'm the best SP I can be for my clients, I'm not interested in marketing to those that won't appreciate the effort. I'm Not going to be appealing to the guys that want a quick bang. I market to gents in search of a quality companion and a passionate connection. There's nothing wrong with either end of the spectrum. If some guys want a quick cheap bang then there's a market for that and they'll find a girl for that. If some guys want a top notch experience there's a market for that to. Different strokes for different folks. To each their own. So why complain about it? Why should EVERY SP have to charge lower prices? Why can't some be expensive and others cost more like everything else in life? Why can't some appeal to rich and others appeal to the not so rich? Why is this even an issue?
Every escort at Mirage, TDL, SexyFriends, Sassy's , Hush and so on I've booked for an hour was never just a quick bang n go. I am not rushed, I get my full hour and leave feeling great so what are you offering more? You worked at Muse so I'm assuming you did what had to be done and if you wanted repeat clients you went the extra mile as now didn't I read you are at Seductions, apologies if I'm mistaken and have confused you with someone else. If I'm not mistaken, do you treat your clients at Seductions in a sub-par fashion because you're not making 300-350?
 

shack

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I guess you would know, I forgot you were an escort!! Silly me :p
Sorry, that determination can only be made by the individual john. He is the ONLY one who knows what is good for him. The escort would be the LAST one to make that determination.
 

squeezer

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Sorry, that determination can only be made by the individual john. He is the ONLY one who knows what is good for him. The escort would be the LAST one to make that determination.
Leave it to some of them and we will only be paying to take them out to dinner and a peck on the cheek when it's over! LMAO
 

simba_one

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Sorry, that determination can only be made by the individual john. He is the ONLY one who knows what is good for him. The escort would be the LAST one to make that determination.
Agreed. Everything thing I do ultimately is to generate a certain feeling. With respect to time spent with escorts I have my expectations and if they’re met I feel great.
 

squeezer

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I guess you would know, I forgot you were an escort!! Silly me :p
Hopefully, this doesn't classify me as a misogynist or crude but I must ask if that is ok?

Why do you come here when you hate us because we are the "worst"?

"The more TERB members start realizing that active TERB member are generally the worst, the more they like me and my no nonsense attitude towards them. I always suggest Twitter and @WeAreTryst!!!!"

https://twitter.com/VioletteDenysTO/status/1142119027646640128
 

simba_one

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Hopefully, this doesn't classify me as a misogynist or crude but I must ask if that is ok?

Why do you come here when you hate us because we are the "worst"?

"The more TERB members start realizing that active TERB member are generally the worst, the more they like me and my no nonsense attitude towards them. I always suggest Twitter and @WeAreTryst!!!!"

https://twitter.com/VioletteDenysTO/status/1142119027646640128
Definitely a fair question. It’s amazing the ugliness in the hearts of some people.Like the Bone Ranger said: threads like this are better than reviews.
 

Fred Zed

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Because we believe in free speech and civil adult conversation, we try and give as much slack as possible in the threads. This however is getting silly, and the topic beaten to death. THE LADIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHARGE WHATEVER THEY LIKE. IT IS THEIR BODIES. If you dont like it, or cant afford it, find someone within your budget. Time to move on.
 
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