Cost for independent SP rant
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From a provider point of view: I could not agree more.... And IMHO the best answer to the OP.....
From a client point of view: People pay millions for a Rembrandt or van Gogh painting, while there are much cheaper paintings available that are also beautiful. Why? Because you as a client WANT that Rembrandt. That one is better. That one is more beautiful. That one gives you more satisfaction. Is it Always rational? No. But I'm still paying.....
If you only have a budget for a Honda Civic, you do not walk into Ferrari and tell them their prices are too high. You don't yell at their customers and tell them to stop paying for expensive cars so it could be easier for you. Instead go to Honda and tell them your budget and they will help you find a car within your price range. Like anything in life you get what you pay for. There is a market for everything. High end, low end and everything in between. There are people out there who can afford $300 - $600 without batting an eyelash. Then there are people who can't. That's ok. That doesn't make anyone better than anybody else. If there was no demand for upscale escorts then there wouldn't be any gents willing to pay the price for it. Don't you think these guys KNOW they can get it for cheaper just about anywhere? They chose not to go the cheaper route because they feel they are more guaranteed to get the 5 star quality experience they are looking for. There's nothing wrong with that. I once had a conversation with a pornstar and she charges $1300/hr MINIMUM. She wouldn't charge that if there wasn't a market for it and gents more than willing to pay it and still leave a tip.
It's absolutely ok if you have a lower budget but there is a market out there for guys like you. Hell I even used to cater to your market but I decided I wanted to offer so much more for my guys. I wanted to give the best possible experience for my lovers and I adjusted my rates to reflect the effort and time I put into ensuring these gentlemen get their money's worth.
So why not stick to the market that caters to your price range instead of complaining about a price range that someone else is able to afford? I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But this is life babe.
It's absolutely ok if you have a lower budget but there is a market out there for guys like you. Hell I even used to cater to your market but I decided I wanted to offer so much more for my guys. I wanted to give the best possible experience for my lovers and I adjusted my rates to reflect the effort and time I put into ensuring these gentlemen get their money's worth.
So why not stick to the market that caters to your price range instead of complaining about a price range that someone else is able to afford? I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But this is life babe.
Wonderful example. *standing ovation*From a provider point of view: I could not agree more.... And IMHO the best answer to the OP.....
From a client point of view: People pay millions for a Rembrandt or van Gogh painting, while there are much cheaper paintings available that are also beautiful. Why? Because you as a client WANT that Rembrandt. That one is better. That one is more beautiful. That one gives you more satisfaction. Is it Always rational? No. But I'm still paying.....
One thing that makes this comparison invalid, is that most times they are not bought because of their beauty or the anticipated pleasure their viewing will bring.From a provider point of view: I could not agree more.... And IMHO the best answer to the OP.....
From a client point of view: People pay millions for a Rembrandt or van Gogh painting, while there are much cheaper paintings available that are also beautiful. Why? Because you as a client WANT that Rembrandt. That one is better. That one is more beautiful. That one gives you more satisfaction. Is it Always rational? No. But I'm still paying.....
They are primarily bought as investments. They will be getting a return on their money. Unless the indy SP offers a big kickback, there is no return on the extra money one pays.
Secondarily, they are bought for ego/bragging rights. "Hey people, I am so wealthy, look what I can afford." I do agree that this is perfectly analogous to "Hey people, look how much I can afford to pay an SP even though I could have one for much less".
All very true. No argument with a word of it.
The issue that I see, is that people are allowed to express their opinion, which is the reason OP started this thread. With the ladies whining and complaining the way they are, all I see is an effort to denigrate someone from expressing their opinion and maybe even stifling free speech.
I don't agree with your premise of comparing a Honda versus a Ferrari when you look at sps. I have utilized expensive independent sps and the service was Bove average. I have experienced the best ever service with agency sps.
Just because you pay more doesnt mean you receive better service if you are looking at 1000 versus 300.
Well, I think you are right and maybe the example of a painting is wrong. But still, you are missing the point. Maybe replace "Rembrandt or van Gogh" for "the Lady Tifereth" and the argument is maybe better. The point I am making is that spending money on a SP is not always rational if you put money on a scale and compare expensive with cheaper ones.... Spending 100$ might give you just as a good time as spending 600$ / hour and yet I find myself paying exactly that...
Why? Because those decisions are not always rational. And I can afford it. They are made out of horny-ness, out of lust, or just because you saw nice pictures on the website.... In any case not a completely rational decision (and off course I'm only speaking for myself...
)Well, that at least are just my 2 cents....
First of all a person would be a fool to turn down more money if offered . The thing is your clients are not offering more money to you . The SP's are asking for more money . Big difference here . You ask for more and the client agrees to pay . No offers made by any client . Why would the client to offer to pay more over your asking price ???
Don't let some jaded person who probably does not even buy art dissuade you. Art is bought and sold every day purely for pleasure. I purchase a fair bit (some local, some while traveling, some through dealers and auctions), and not once did I care about my "investment" or "bragging". Artistry and craftsmanship are still out there, and still sought out by people who appreciate them. Some folks just wanna shop at the mall and Costco. Some want to see an independent artist or craftsman. The latter definitely charges more.
Beyond that, I hate car and numeric comparisons because they cheapen the uniqueness and beauty of many of the women in this business. Art is a nice comparison though, simply because the beauty of art is often unique and hard to quantify. You certainly know it when it hits you though.
Don't see why many of you ladies are getting your knickers all tied up here about men complaining about some of the prices that are being charged by SP's . Really who cares . Are you afraid that you might loose some clients because of these threads ?
People have all kinds opinions about prices these days . The price of gas , groceries , movies and so on . It never stops .
Clients will get better service with higher priced SP's . Really !!! What kind of service were you providing before you changed your prices . Were you short changing your clients in terms of service before the higher prices . One of you said that you are able to provide a better service with higher prices . How is that . Because you're getting more money you are giving a better service .
Some people like to compare car shopping to booking a SP . If you can't afford that fancy car than don't complain about the prices . Is that the way you SP's want to look at things . You are selling your bodies to make money or are you selling an experience .
A client will get better service because he is willing to pay a higher price . Really . Then any of you people who agree with that will have no problem in paying double the rate of a garage or dealership because you're gonna get a better service on your vehicle . LOL . You'd be getting a better service in paying $200 hr for labour for example than the same place charging only $100 hr to other clients . REALLY .
I have seen many items at the Dollar store that sell for 3 or 4 times more at stores like Bass Pro . The exact same item in the same packaging . Does that mean that the item at Bass Pro is better because it's priced a lot higher . Give your head a shake . Higher prices does not always mean a better product or service .
If you had a lawn care service cut your lawn and you were paying $50 a cut . That service raised the price to double because he said that he could cut your lawn better with the higher price would you say yea sure no problem ?
Higher prices does not always mean better quality or service . If you believe that it does than you are a fool .
People have all kinds opinions about prices these days . The price of gas , groceries , movies and so on . It never stops .
Clients will get better service with higher priced SP's . Really !!! What kind of service were you providing before you changed your prices . Were you short changing your clients in terms of service before the higher prices . One of you said that you are able to provide a better service with higher prices . How is that . Because you're getting more money you are giving a better service .
Some people like to compare car shopping to booking a SP . If you can't afford that fancy car than don't complain about the prices . Is that the way you SP's want to look at things . You are selling your bodies to make money or are you selling an experience .
A client will get better service because he is willing to pay a higher price . Really . Then any of you people who agree with that will have no problem in paying double the rate of a garage or dealership because you're gonna get a better service on your vehicle . LOL . You'd be getting a better service in paying $200 hr for labour for example than the same place charging only $100 hr to other clients . REALLY .
I have seen many items at the Dollar store that sell for 3 or 4 times more at stores like Bass Pro . The exact same item in the same packaging . Does that mean that the item at Bass Pro is better because it's priced a lot higher . Give your head a shake . Higher prices does not always mean a better product or service .
If you had a lawn care service cut your lawn and you were paying $50 a cut . That service raised the price to double because he said that he could cut your lawn better with the higher price would you say yea sure no problem ?
Higher prices does not always mean better quality or service . If you believe that it does than you are a fool .
Ding Dong, the witch is dead LOL...John nailed it and I have nothing further to add!
At least for now!
You can get a Bugatti at a Civic's price in this business so why even settle for a Ferrari?
I just thought of something to add,
When I see the agency ladies for $250/hr, its kissing, daty, digits, fs, bbbj and usually bbbjcim. Do you now at your elite prices offer these services too and if so, did you before?
FYI, I have no idea what you are charging just so we are clear.
Well, if you were going to fuck your mechanic, sure. Personally, I ain't touching mine even if he is lubed up 90% of the time.
Comparing random services to one where you fuck someone (or get fucked, who am I to judge) is ridiculous. Even worse, for mechanics, there are people who pay more for better or specialty service. Not all shops are remotely the same and there is a wide range from the chains (Cdn tire, mr lube) to dealers to some great independents and specialists. Net is your example fails.
There is economic theory that can explain all of the dynamics at play. None of this is "new" but people just don't like reality sometimes.
yes, and I know this theory (or a combination of):
1) Monopolistic competition: given that each product is unique, some people are willing to pay more for a particulate product even when similar and objectively higher quality products are available on the market for a lower price.
2) Market imperfection - transaction/search costs: once a person find something that is OK in quality, he stops searching
3) Asymmetric information and signalling (combined with mental transferring a paradigm from one platform to another): in competitive markets higher price is usually a signal of higher quality. If one use this signalling argument to apply to a monopolistic competition market of SPs, he would incorrectly believe that independent SPs are better than agency girls simply because independents are charging higher price.
4) "fair trade" movement: like with coffee, people are willing to pay more for a coffee if they know that plantation workers got pay higher wages ("fair trade"). Similarly, people who believe that poor SPs, who have to do such a disgusting job of slipping with different man, must be compensated "fairly" for their effort (i.e., more than the market price)
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