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The above statement is false and non factual.
Imports from China have had a significant tariffs put on them which in return has made it more expensive for certain industries to produce those products with raw materials imported from China. Trump has lost support over the China tariffs only a blind fool can not see that.
If he doesn't stop his foolishness with China they will end up fucking the U.S out of rare earths. What does that mean for the U.S??? It means many different products that are used daily will be more expensive. Rare earths are also used in weaponry and what does that mean??? The U.S would have to increase their military spending by a large percentage due to the higher costs associated with producing these weapons or they can reduce their military budget :bump2::bump2::bump2: which will never happen.

So in short if this nonsens by Trump doesn't stop the U.S is fucked and with a lagging U.S economy the rest of the world will struggle. This can also benefit China as they can step up to other countries and take the lead on trade away from the U.S so in short no matter how you look at it the United States is fucked.
You should take your blinders off and get out of the Trump circle jerk it will help you see better.
Actually, Chinese manufacturers are lowering the prices and moving low skill, higher labor production to Vietnam, Malaysia, etc. to maintain their market share. The early estimate is 75-100 billion to off set the effects of tariffs. That's why, aside from the agro sector, the effects on the imports are negligible and well spread out throughout the American economy. We're in a time of globalization and no supplier is irreplaceable.
 

doggystyle99

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Don't believe that Trump lost support over the China tariffs. The cost of imports from China, despite the tariffs, have NOT increased. Actually, they decreased by 1.4% in the last year, mostly due to the Chinese exporters cutting prices to retain the market share.on the American market.
Actually, Chinese manufacturers are lowering the prices and moving low skill, higher labor production to Vietnam, Malaysia, etc. to maintain their market share. The early estimate is 75-100 billion to off set the effects of tariffs. That's why, aside from the agro sector, the effects on the imports are negligible and well spread out throughout the American economy. We're in a time of globalization and no supplier is irreplaceable.
You start by saying "The cost of imports from China, despite the tariffs, have NOT increased." then changing your tune and saying "That's why, aside from the agro sector, the effects on the imports are negligible" sometimes eventually you get to the full facts but only to move on to another point very quickly. This is why posts from you are for the majority non factual and change rapidly.

I repeat again the costs of materials imported into the U.S have increased due to the tariffs, and the cost of manufacturing in the U.S has increased due to the tariffs.
If Trump doesn't stop his nonsense with the tariffs on China this will have a long term effect on the American manufacturing and standing amongst other nations and allies. China will not back down from this at all.
 

jcpro

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You start by saying "The cost of imports from China, despite the tariffs, have NOT increased." then changing your tune and saying "That's why, aside from the agro sector, the effects on the imports are negligible" sometimes eventually you get to the full facts but only to move on to another point very quickly. This is why posts from you are for the majority non factual and change rapidly.

I repeat again the costs of materials imported into the U.S have increased due to the tariffs, and the cost of manufacturing in the U.S has increased due to the tariffs.
If Trump doesn't stop his nonsense with the tariffs on China this will have a long term effect on the American manufacturing and standing amongst other nations and allies. China will not back down from this at all.
Less CNN, more WSJ, buddy. Hint, the inflation rate is a dead giveaway.
 

WyattEarp

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Less CNN, more WSJ, buddy. Hint, the inflation rate is a dead giveaway.
Much wisdom in this comment. Not all new sources are created equal.

I certainly can understand some of the contention with Trump. Bickering over the China trade war is borderline treasonous. If people are truly worried about the little guy, who do you think is going to fight a war with China or how bout the small countries in Southeast Asia that are already being threatened by Chinese aggression.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...nt-get-china/591310/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
 

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Much wisdom in this comment. Not all new sources are created equal.

I certainly can understand some of the contention with Trump. Bickering over the China trade war is borderline treasonous. If people are truly worried about the little guy, who do you think is going to fight a war with China or how bout the small countries in Southeast Asia that are already being threatened by Chinese aggression.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...nt-get-china/591310/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Labeling talk over the China trade war treasonous is asinine.
 

WyattEarp

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The meme about Trump waiving Deutsche Bank's fines is definitely an interesting factoid. It is however the precarious nature of isolated facts. The waivers were actually a continuation of the Obama Administration's policies.

I don't pretend to be able to sort out all behind the scene international dealings and entanglements. It's very possible this is some international diplomacy at work here. Deutsche Bank's financial condition is very bad and the German government is desperately trying to keep it all together.

Since I really haven't heard Democrats screaming and hollering, the great scandal the meme insinuates is probably not a big deal.
 

WyattEarp

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Labeling talk over the China trade war treasonous is asinine.
It's a Cold War that we have just begun to fight that the Chinese have been fighting for years.

It might be hard for some people to comprehend. It might just be a different type of Cold War where we trade with the opposition and try to influence their political development, but the contention will be more visible for many years.

Of course, one can try to paint different realities to fit today's narratives, but I assure you the next Democrat President will be dealing with China in a more contentious manner.
 

WyattEarp

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Help their workers unionize and fight for social services that raise their business costs.
I suppose we can parachute union and political organizers into mainland China.
 

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It's a Cold War that we have just begun to fight that the Chinese have been fighting for years.

It might be hard for some people to comprehend. It might just be a different type of Cold War where we trade with the opposition and try to influence their political development, but the contention will be more visible for many years.

Of course, one can try to paint different realities to fit today's narratives, but I assure you the next Democrat President will be dealing with China in a more contentious manner.
Of course people like you can try to paint a narrative that fit's their views, only people who are oblivious to trade or politics think this cold war between U.S and China has just begun. For everyone else this has beein going on for decades.
Labelling talks over the China trade war treasonous is asinine.
 

WyattEarp

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And on to the next point you go. Didn't know inflation rate has changed since the tariffs on China.
Thanks for that information.
That's the point. Look beyond the talking heads on cable news. When they tell you the price of things are going up due to tariffs, ask the next question?
 
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According to all the naysayers, we're about 3 years overdue. Trump's election was supposed to start the next great depression. While a recession is inevitable after such a strong run of economic growth, I don't expect these "experts" to be able to predict it any better than they could almost three years ago.
It seems like the political threads here are like all the forums I read. A small group of resistance fighters running around the forum trying to criticize Trump for anything and everything. Of course, there's not really a lot of insightful policy debate the kind that is genuine and can obfuscate party lines. It's more the same generalized derision.
 

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It seems like the political threads here are like all the forums I read. A small group of resistance fighters running around the forum trying to criticize Trump for anything and everything. Of course, there's not really a lot of insightful policy debate the kind that is genuine and can obfuscate party lines. It's more the same generalized derision.
They don't get that Congress and the lobbyists are the far greater problem. And that both parties are in the game.

They have fallen for the distraction.
 

WyattEarp

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Of course people like you can try to paint a narrative that fit's their views, only people who are oblivious to trade or politics think this cold war between U.S and China has just begun. For everyone else this has beein going on for decades.
Labelling talks over the China trade war treasonous is asinine.
The left of center The Atlantic does a good job of documenting American complacency and wishful thinking toward China. So if we've been in a Cold War for a long time, we better get started.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...nt-get-china/591310/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

By the way, this guy apparently didn't initially get the Cold War with China memo.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joe+biden+china+competition

Biden won't be the first and last Democrat candidate to look hesitant on China. The 2020 candidates will probably criticize how the tariffs were enacted, how they have a better way to use tariffs and offer vague policy prescriptions on how they would deal with China.

Again, of course advocating policies that the Chinese government lobbies for can be BORDERLINE treasonous. In a Cold War where we are doing business with an adversary, the battle lines can get blurred. Perhaps you are sincere in your opposition to the tariffs and when a Democrat supports tariffs you will continue to oppose them. All I'm seeing someone who opposes Trump and any of his policies. As the old political adage goes "Politics make strange bedfellows."
 

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They don't get that Congress and the lobbyists are the far greater problem. And that both parties are in the game.

They have fallen for the distraction.
We know, but the answers to that are AOC, not Trump.
Trump is just filling the swamp and taking out all the safety controls.
 

WyattEarp

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We know, but the answers to that are AOC, not Trump.
Trump is just filling the swamp and taking out all the safety controls.
I doubt if AOC's the answer. She's a bit too resentful and pie in the sky. When leaders have desired to entirely recreate society, that historically has taken civilizations to the darkest evil. She's even too liberal for the Scandinavians. I do like looking at AOC's giant breasts though. ;)

You might not like Trump's tax rates or his international diplomacy or this and that, but Trump has shaken things up. Let's bring this back to another guy who wants to shake things up like Bernie Sanders. He has been against free trade and he certainly is against trade with China. At one point very recently, he was also against illegal immigration.

See where I went with that. Trump had several views that were once shared across the ideological spectrum. The nature of the two party system is to find (or create) differences and disagree. The masses then choose their side and argue vehemently for whatever the policies their team is advocating.
 

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If Biden wins the nomination (that's a big if) he will lose to Trump. All this talk of landslide is gibberish. There's 18 months until the election.
 
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