Saudi Arabia’s crackdown on dissidents abroad: The Kingdom of Silence - Enquête
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Another reason not to be handing them tech for nukes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...t-nuclear-permits-saudi-arabia-after-n1013826
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...t-nuclear-permits-saudi-arabia-after-n1013826
Yet you don't think the same about Iran who has been going so far as trying to blow up dissidents.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...g-dissidents-netherlands-190108152401605.html
You also want to ignore that the main reason Saudi in investing in nuclear technology is because of their conflict with Iran. I also love how you worrying about a Saudi might develop a nuclear weapons program but refuse to criticize on Iran's intentionally provocative program. It's is just more transparent evidence that you support Iran simply because they share your hatred with Israel.
And for the record, I would support sanctions on Saudi too if there is any hint they are developing a nuclear weapons program or even just laying the groundwork like Iran has.
Iran should be held to task for their actions on dissidents.
But that is comparatively minor to Trump giving Mister Bone Saw tech for nuclear bombs.
You've posted countless threads here about the dangers of Iran having the bomb yet give the Saudis a pass because they are presently allied with Israel.
Yet the Saudi war on Yemen and support of extremists is way more dangerous than Iran's actions.
Is that worse or better than inviting them into your embassy and dismembering them?
I'd say worse because a couple of the attempts involved bombs in public places. On the scale of horrible calling a guy in and torturing/killing him is less horrible than bombing a crowd.
Your transparency is showing again if you think either of those countries are superior to the other.
And you are pathetic for criticizing the US potentially building power plants for Saudi but defending Iran's massive enrichment capacity.
p.s. IAEA former deputy Chief says Iran could have nukes in 6-8 months.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-could-make-nuclear-weapon-in-6-8-months-says-former-iaea-deputy/
Saudis committed 9/11.
The Saudi war in Yemen is horrific.
Saudi extremism and lack of rights is much morse than Iran.
You defend them only because they are now allied with Israel.
I couldn't even begin such a barbarous calculus. But certainly Saudi rulers and their loyal followers are old hands at bombing civilians in public places.
I love how you packed random details and two transparent lies in the same post.
- There is no alliance. Saudi and Israel don't even have official diplomatic relations and Saudi still bans Israeli imports.
- Only you could see me post that neither Iran or Saudi "are superior to each other" as supporting Saudi. Both countries are nasty, terror supporting, extremist states and I hold them to the same standard.
But you will continue defending Iran's right to unprecedented uranium enrichment while complaining Saudi may get a power plant simply because you share Iran's openly stated desire to destroy Israel.
p.s. Of course you choose to ignore that Yemen and Syria are two sides of the same coin of Iran vs. Saudi conflict. Saudi is the stronger side in Yemen so they are responsible for more deaths. Iran's operations in Syria have been just a nasty but you don't want to talk about that for some reason.
Of course they are both nasty dictatorships. Reality is the Saudi murder was a nasty bit of business but out of the nasty choices, I would rather see a targeted assassination where one dissident is killed rather than bombing a public place and killing numerous dissidents as well as random civilians.
Iran has the record of executing teenage boys.
The US and human rights groups have expressed outrage over reports that Iran has executed two 17-year-old boys.
Mehdi Sohrabifar and Amin Sedaghat were 15 when they were convicted in 2017 on multiple rape charges, after what activists said was an unfair trial.
They are believed to have been moved from a juvenile facility to a prison a day before their deaths last Thursday.
Iranian authorities reportedly did not inform the boys' families or lawyers that they had been sentenced to death.
Iranian officials have not commented on the reports. According to Amnesty International, Iran has executed almost 100 juvenile offenders since 1990 - the highest number of any nation.
More than 90 other juveniles remain at risk of execution. Many of them have spent prolonged periods on death row - in some cases more than decade.
International law strictly prohibits the use of capital punishment in all cases in which the accused was under 18 at the time of the crime.
Global executions 'fall almost a third'
How many countries still have the death penalty?
Sohrabifar and Sedaghat, who were cousins, were reportedly executed last Thursday in Adel Abad prison in the southern city of Shiraz.
Amnesty said it had received information suggesting the teenagers were unaware they had been sentenced to death until shortly before they died.
The boys' families were granted a visit to the prison the previous day, but were not told that it was in preparation for their execution, the human rights group said.
The families reportedly learned of the news on Friday, when they received telephone calls from Iran's Legal Medicine Organisation.
Amnesty said there were lash marks on the bodies, indicating that they had been flogged before their deaths.
"The Iranian authorities have once again proved that they are sickeningly prepared to put children to death, in flagrant disregard of international law," said Philip Luther, Amnesty's Middle East director.
The charity said the legal proceedings leading to the boys' conviction and sentence were unfair and flagrantly violated the principles of juvenile justice.
The boys were reportedly held for two months in a police detention centre, where they said they were beaten and denied access to a lawyer.
One source told Human Rights Watch that Iran's Supreme Court had reversed the death sentences handed to the boys after their initial trial, but that a court in Shiraz had reinstated them.
Another source said the Supreme Court had subsequently upheld that verdict, and that a forensic doctor had determined the boys had reached the developmental maturity to understand the nature of the crimes.
"There is no justification for executing children," said Michael Page, Human Rights Watch's deputy Middle East director. "Iranian officials transported Mehdi Sohrabifar and Amin Sedaghat straight from a juvenile facility to the gallows."
The US state department said it was "appalled" by the reports, which it said were unfortunately "consistent with Iran's egregious overall human rights record".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48133641
The US and human rights groups have expressed outrage over reports that Iran has executed two 17-year-old boys.
Mehdi Sohrabifar and Amin Sedaghat were 15 when they were convicted in 2017 on multiple rape charges, after what activists said was an unfair trial.
They are believed to have been moved from a juvenile facility to a prison a day before their deaths last Thursday.
Iranian authorities reportedly did not inform the boys' families or lawyers that they had been sentenced to death.
Iranian officials have not commented on the reports. According to Amnesty International, Iran has executed almost 100 juvenile offenders since 1990 - the highest number of any nation.
More than 90 other juveniles remain at risk of execution. Many of them have spent prolonged periods on death row - in some cases more than decade.
International law strictly prohibits the use of capital punishment in all cases in which the accused was under 18 at the time of the crime.
Global executions 'fall almost a third'
How many countries still have the death penalty?
Sohrabifar and Sedaghat, who were cousins, were reportedly executed last Thursday in Adel Abad prison in the southern city of Shiraz.
Amnesty said it had received information suggesting the teenagers were unaware they had been sentenced to death until shortly before they died.
The boys' families were granted a visit to the prison the previous day, but were not told that it was in preparation for their execution, the human rights group said.
The families reportedly learned of the news on Friday, when they received telephone calls from Iran's Legal Medicine Organisation.
Amnesty said there were lash marks on the bodies, indicating that they had been flogged before their deaths.
"The Iranian authorities have once again proved that they are sickeningly prepared to put children to death, in flagrant disregard of international law," said Philip Luther, Amnesty's Middle East director.
The charity said the legal proceedings leading to the boys' conviction and sentence were unfair and flagrantly violated the principles of juvenile justice.
The boys were reportedly held for two months in a police detention centre, where they said they were beaten and denied access to a lawyer.
One source told Human Rights Watch that Iran's Supreme Court had reversed the death sentences handed to the boys after their initial trial, but that a court in Shiraz had reinstated them.
Another source said the Supreme Court had subsequently upheld that verdict, and that a forensic doctor had determined the boys had reached the developmental maturity to understand the nature of the crimes.
"There is no justification for executing children," said Michael Page, Human Rights Watch's deputy Middle East director. "Iranian officials transported Mehdi Sohrabifar and Amin Sedaghat straight from a juvenile facility to the gallows."
The US state department said it was "appalled" by the reports, which it said were unfortunately "consistent with Iran's egregious overall human rights record".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48133641
Iran arrests more than 100 Christians in growing crackdown on minority
Iran has arrested more than 100 Christians in the last week, charities report, amid a growing crackdown by the Islamic Republic.
Many of the 114 detained were converts to Christianity from a Muslim background, accused of “proselytising”.
They had to report the history of their Christian activities and were told to cut contact with any Christian groups, according to Open Doors UK, a charity which speaks out on persecution against Christians.
While Christianity has existed in Persia since Christ’s death, many believers fled after the Shah was deposed in a coup and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was installed in the Islamic revolution of 1979.
There are no official records, but there are estimated to be some 350,000 remaining in Iran - some one per cent of Iran’s population, with a rising trend toward converting to Christianity.
Christian advocacy groups report a growing underground evangelical movement in Iran, where they say increasing numbers of people who have become curious about the minority religion.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/10/iran-arrests-100-christians-growing-crackdown-minority/
Iran has arrested more than 100 Christians in the last week, charities report, amid a growing crackdown by the Islamic Republic.
Many of the 114 detained were converts to Christianity from a Muslim background, accused of “proselytising”.
They had to report the history of their Christian activities and were told to cut contact with any Christian groups, according to Open Doors UK, a charity which speaks out on persecution against Christians.
While Christianity has existed in Persia since Christ’s death, many believers fled after the Shah was deposed in a coup and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was installed in the Islamic revolution of 1979.
There are no official records, but there are estimated to be some 350,000 remaining in Iran - some one per cent of Iran’s population, with a rising trend toward converting to Christianity.
Christian advocacy groups report a growing underground evangelical movement in Iran, where they say increasing numbers of people who have become curious about the minority religion.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/10/iran-arrests-100-christians-growing-crackdown-minority/
How Iran persecutes its oldest religion
As Zoroastrian funerary processions enter the graveyard overlooking the Tehran suburb of Ray, their sobriety is often shattered by the sound of explosions and gunfire. Frequently, the way forward is blocked by Islamic Revolutionary Guards conducting a combat exercise among the tombs. According to Zoroastrian custom, burial needs to take place within 24 hours, and the Revolutionary Guards will not halt their training activities there for the funerals.
This is just another sign of religious freedom fading in the Islamic Republic.
Much that is written about the Zoroastrians of Iran portrays them as a venerable and quaint religious community. But these followers of an ancient faith are not insulated from the tribulations of their country.
Zoroastrianism is named after its founder, the prophet Zarathustra -- or Zoroaster, as he came to be known in the West -- who preached sometime between 1800 and 1000 B.C. Zoroaster spoke of humans siding with God (called Ahura Mazda, or the Wise Lord) against the devil (called Angra Mainyu, or the Angry Spirit) and fighting for all that is right. In time, those concepts became central to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. So did Zoroastrian beliefs that each soul faces judgment after death before entering heaven, limbo or hell, and that all of humanity will experience resurrection, final judgment and heaven on Earth.
https://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/14/opinion/choksy-iran-zoroastrian/index.html
As Zoroastrian funerary processions enter the graveyard overlooking the Tehran suburb of Ray, their sobriety is often shattered by the sound of explosions and gunfire. Frequently, the way forward is blocked by Islamic Revolutionary Guards conducting a combat exercise among the tombs. According to Zoroastrian custom, burial needs to take place within 24 hours, and the Revolutionary Guards will not halt their training activities there for the funerals.
This is just another sign of religious freedom fading in the Islamic Republic.
Much that is written about the Zoroastrians of Iran portrays them as a venerable and quaint religious community. But these followers of an ancient faith are not insulated from the tribulations of their country.
Zoroastrianism is named after its founder, the prophet Zarathustra -- or Zoroaster, as he came to be known in the West -- who preached sometime between 1800 and 1000 B.C. Zoroaster spoke of humans siding with God (called Ahura Mazda, or the Wise Lord) against the devil (called Angra Mainyu, or the Angry Spirit) and fighting for all that is right. In time, those concepts became central to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. So did Zoroastrian beliefs that each soul faces judgment after death before entering heaven, limbo or hell, and that all of humanity will experience resurrection, final judgment and heaven on Earth.
https://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/14/opinion/choksy-iran-zoroastrian/index.html
Sure, still lying in every post, basketcase?
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...-chief-reveals-secret-israel-saudi-relations/
Amnesty had a good report on Saudi's execution of 37 dissidents.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-37-put-to-death-in-shocking-execution-spree/
It is funny when you claim facts you don;t like are lies.
There is no Israeli Embassy in Saudi and no Saudi Embassy in Israel. They have no formal diplomatic relations.
Saudi Arabia bans Israelis and Israeli products.
Those are facts.
But you are so driven with racist hatred against Israel that you have to lie and try to blame them for the disgusting rights abuses in Saudi Arabia.
They also report on at least 253 Iranian executions in 2018 and condemned Iran for flogging and executing two children last month. 90 other juveniles are currently on Death Row.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-in-abhorrent-violation-of-international-law/
I'm quite happy to condemn both Saudi and Iran for their executions and human rights abuses.
The use of the death penalty is a separate issue from executing political dissidents, and even so, China executes 4 times as many as Iran.
I understand why you try to deny the Israeli/Saudi alliance, but you and I both know its ongoing, with Trump and Kushner pushing anen alliance and the 'deal of the century'.
Now you've got the US ambassador saying that its ok if Israel annex's the west bank or some of it as well.
Its a stupid plan that will just lead to more violence.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ury-will-finish-off-their-state-idUSKCN1T307H
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/07/big...mps-search-for-deal-on-middle-east-peace.html
Sure, keep on making excuses for Iran. Does Iran's execution of children not bother you? Reality is they are on the same level as Saudi Arabia.
But keep on pretending that Iran is somehow superior and trying to demonize Israel by pretending they are allied to Bone Saw.
