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basketcase

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I've answered your question twice and you refuse to acknowledge or reply to the facts....
Where. You have posted opinions from a fringe website. Are you incapable of defending your own opinion? Identify any right that Arab Israelis lost through that stupid bill.

It's just like when you refused to answer whether you think Hamas rockets are illegal and target civilians or you think they are justified self defense.
 

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Where. You have posted opinions from a fringe website. Are you incapable of defending your own opinion? Identify any right that Arab Israelis lost through that stupid bill.
1 - the right to 'self determination' is now only a right of Jewish people in Israel and Palestine.
2 - it downgrades the status of Arabic as an official language
3 - it states that the illegal Jewish settlements are a 'national value' that will be 'encouraged and promoted'

Those are three big changes in so far as what was implicit is now explicit and legislated.
This clearly gives the Jewish population more and different rights than Palestinians and Israeli Arabs living under Israeli rule.
That makes it apartheid, legislated apartheid.
 

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1 - the right to 'self determination' is now only a right of Jewish people in Israel and Palestine.
Israel is already a state and the Arab Israelis determined by themselves they want to be Israeli. Polls repeatedly show that Arab Israelis want to be Israelis. Just another case where your racist elitism has you ignore the views of Arabs just because it doesn't fit your racist view of Israel.

2 - it downgrades the status of Arabic as an official language
And exactly what right is that? Do my human rights mean Canada has to make Irish Gaelic an official language?
(you also skip the part where it explicitly says:
B. The Arabic language has a special status in the state; Regulating the use of Arabic in state institutions or by them will be set in law.

C. This clause does not harm the status given to the Arabic language before this law came into effect.


3 - it states that the illegal Jewish settlements are a 'national value' that will be 'encouraged and promoted'
How does that affect the rights of Arab Israelis? Settlements do make an excuse for Abbas to avoid negotiations (and Hamas doesn't need another excuse) but it in no way minimizes rights of any Israeli.


Sorry but you have no ability to form a coherent opinion and absolutely no interest in anything that doesn't further your obsessive hatred of Israel's existence.
 

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Israel is already a state and the Arab Israelis determined by themselves they want to be Israeli. Polls repeatedly show that Arab Israelis want to be Israelis.
And now they can't have the same rights as Jews, their goals are killed.


And exactly what right is that? Do my human rights mean Canada has to make Irish Gaelic an official language?
Idiotic comparison, try this:
What do you think would happen if Scheer wrote a bill killing French as an official language?



How does that affect the rights of Arab Israelis? Settlements do make an excuse for Abbas to avoid negotiations (and Hamas doesn't need another excuse) but it in no way minimizes rights of any Israeli.
It effects the rights of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation, where every settlement is illegal according to UNSC 2334, yet the Israeli government established its goal to take that land from Palestinians illegally.
How can you support that bill and still pretend to support the two state solution?
 

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And now they can't have the same rights as Jews, their goals are killed.
Their goals of remaining Israelis? Sorry but their have made the choice to be Israelis and polling says they overwhelmingly want to remain Israelis but your racist elitism has you once again ignoring what Arabs actually want simply to further you obsessive hatred.


Still waiting for you to explain where in human rights documentation it says there is right to have your language as an official language. Also the wording is explicitly contradictory as it protects Arabic's previous status which was as an official language.

It effects the rights of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation
So you admit it has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of Israeli Arabs. Thanks.
 

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Their goals of remaining Israelis? Sorry but their have made the choice to be Israelis
And Israel just deemed that they cannot be Israelis with the same guaranteed rights as Jews, despite their 'choice'.
You are confirming that you support apartheid.

Annexation Without Citizenship Is Apartheid
The only way to avoid bringing the barbarism of apartheid into the 21st century is by firmly shifting away from the two-state solution and instead linking Israel’s inevitable annexation of the Occupied West Bank to Israeli citizenship for occupied Palestinians
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/06/11/annexation-without-citizenship-apartheid
 

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WTF are you talking about?
That's what you get when you use partial quotes to try to claim I said something I didn't.
The full sentence was:
And Israel just deemed that they cannot be Israelis with the same guaranteed rights as Jews, despite their 'choice'.

You cannot dispute this so are left desperately trying to use partial quotes to create straw man claims.
So sad.

Israel is apartheid, its shown by your total inability to honestly debate the facts.
 

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That's what you get when you use partial quotes to try to claim I said something I didn't.....
Your anger is pathetically transparent because you have been exposed as a fraud once again. Israel Arabs have lost zero rights by that bill.

Israeli Arabs ARE Israelis and it is their choice. Despite your pathetic lies there is nothing in that stupid bill that removes their citizenship or removes any rights. They have self-determined to be Israelis but in your racist elitism you refuse to accept their choices.

The only apartheid is in PA controlled areas of the West Bank where Israeli Arabs are allowed full rights but Jews don't. That is clearly a policy based explicitly on religion, not citizenship but for some reason you are okay with that.
 

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Israel Arabs have lost zero rights by that bill.
They lost the right to self-determination.
Stop lying.


The only apartheid is in PA controlled areas of the West Bank where Israeli Arabs are allowed full rights but Jews don't.
Is this in Palestine or Israel?

If its in Palestine, your arguments hold no water as Israeli Jews are foreigners.
If its in 'Israel', its apartheid, where you clearly state that Israeli ruled West Bank is apartheid.

Which is it?
 

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They lost the right to self-determination....
Only you would say that people choosing to live in a country and being repeatedly polled that they want to stay in their country don't have self-determination.

Is this in Palestine or Israel?

If its in Palestine, your arguments hold no water as Israeli Jews are foreigners.
If its in 'Israel', its apartheid, where you clearly state that Israeli ruled West Bank is apartheid.
So many things with your post that contradict your usual talking points.

- You keep saying you support equal rights but here you are saying Jews have no right to be in the West Bank.
- The West Bank has several significant Jewish communities from antiquity until chased out in the 30's or 40's. Why should they not have any rights when you adamantly claim descendants of Palestinians have to go live in Israel? Also worth noting that half of Israelis are descended from Ottoman Jews and are just as native to the area than those descended from Ottoman Arabs
- If you are talking about current citizenship, allowing Arab Israelis but not Jewish Israelis is clearly religious persecution/apartheid.
- If you are saying Israelis (or Jewish ones) aren't citizens of Palestine, that means you must also think West Bank Palestinians aren't citizens of Israel.

But of course you clearly only care about your hatred and propaganda, not equality or human rights.
 

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Only you would say that people choosing to live in a country and being repeatedly polled that they want to stay in their country don't have self-determination.
Only you would pretend that Israel didn't pass a basic law stating that Israeli Arabs don't have as many rights as Jews.
So many things with your post that contradict your usual talking points.

- You keep saying you support equal rights but here you are saying Jews have no right to be in the West Bank.
- The West Bank has several significant Jewish communities from antiquity until chased out in the 30's or 40's. Why should they not have any rights when you adamantly claim descendants of Palestinians have to go live in Israel? Also worth noting that half of Israelis are descended from Ottoman Jews and are just as native to the area than those descended from Ottoman Arabs
- If you are talking about current citizenship, allowing Arab Israelis but not Jewish Israelis is clearly religious persecution/apartheid.
- If you are saying Israelis (or Jewish ones) aren't citizens of Palestine, that means you must also think West Bank Palestinians aren't citizens of Israel.

But of course you clearly only care about your hatred and propaganda, not equality or human rights.
Shit or get off the pot.
Either its Israel or its Palestine but you can't tell me, or won't.
That's the point here.

You want it Israeli and expect it to run under Israeli laws then in the same breath state you support the two state solution, in which case its Palestine under foreign occupation and all settlers are foreigners.

So I say just simplify it and give everyone there equal rights.

Unless what you've been after is the total ethnic cleansing of Israel and Palestine, as was just called for on Israeli tv.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-channel-airs-call-expel-all-palestinians
 
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basketcase

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Only you would pretend that Israel didn't pass a basic law stating that Israeli Arabs don't have as many rights as Jews.
Only you would obsessively lie about Israel even after exposing yourself to be wrong. Your only attempt is denying that Israeli Arabs chose and continue to choose to be Israelis. If Israel was anywhere near as racist and evil as you pretend, you'd think those almost 2 million Arabs citizens would want to leave.


In PA controlled areas of the West Bank, apartheid is implemented because they decide who can visit, work, or live based solely on the religion of that person. You have exposed all your claims of supporting equal rights as pure bullshit (and you continue to push your elitist racism in refusing to accept that Palestinians hate your plan).
 

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Only you would obsessively lie about Israel even after exposing yourself to be wrong. Your only attempt is denying that Israeli Arabs chose and continue to choose to be Israelis.
So because those Israeli Arabs or Palestinians stayed where they lived and didn't flee you say they 'chose' to be Israeli Arabs 50 years ago, so therefore it doesn't matter that Israel is taking away their rights now?
That's pathetic.


In PA controlled areas of the West Bank, apartheid is implemented.
At least you are now admitting that Israeli occupied Palestine is apartheid.
That's a start.
 

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So because those Israeli Arabs or Palestinians stayed where they lived and didn't flee you say they 'chose' to be Israeli Arabs 50 years ago, so therefore it doesn't matter that Israel is taking away their rights now?
That's pathetic....
What's pathetic is you still pretend that any rights were taken away. You're just crusty because Arab Israelis want to be Israeli.



And you still refuse to discuss the legal discrimination from the PA against Jews.
 

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What's pathetic is you still pretend that any rights were taken away.
The right to self determination was taken away from Israeli Arabs.

What's pathetic is your support for apartheid, instead of criticizing Israel for this move you praise them.
 

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The right to self determination was taken away from Israeli Arabs....
By you. They have made their choice and continually state they want to remain but you want to deny them their choice. Just another case where you racist elitism comes into play.

Just like your racist elitism in refusing to hold the PA or Hamas accountable for their racist segregation.


p.s. We're you just complaining about partial quotes?
 

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In PA controlled areas of the West Bank, apartheid is implemented because .
Still waiting for you to tell us why apartheid is applied in Israeli occupied Palestine, other than your usual wife beater defence, 'they deserved it'.
 

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Still waiting for you to tell us why apartheid is applied in Israeli occupied Palestine, other than your usual wife beater defence, 'they deserved it'.
You tell me. It is the PA that is operating Apartheid rules by allowing Israeli Arabs full rights while denying them to Israeli Jews. Of course you never blame Arabs for their choices.
 
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