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75% of Ontarians think the Conservatives are going down the 'wrong path': poll

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Three in every four Ontarians say the Conservative government is sending the province down the wrong path, according to a new poll.

The Environics Research survey, which was commissioned by CUPE Ontario and CUPE Local 79, found the 75 per cent of all Ontarians and one-third of PC voters felt that with the way things are going these days in Ontario, the Ontario PC provincial government under Doug Ford was on the wrong track. Among those, 83 per cent were women, 83 per cent were younger than 45 and 80 per cent lived in Toronto.

The overwhelmingly negative numbers echo that of the previous Liberal government.

However, the poll’s commissioners noted it took the Wynne Liberals years to reach that point.

“Throughout Ontario and across party lines, people are overwhelmingly opposed to Doug Ford’s cuts to public health,” Fred Hahn, president of CUPE Ontario, said in a statement.

“Doug Ford claims to be for the people; well, it’s time to listen to them and reverse these cuts.”

The poll found most Ontarians are not happy with Queen’s Park’s far-reaching cuts to public services, with 80 per cent of those surveyed saying the province’s public health units are “very important.”

“In the four weeks since the provincial government announced cuts to public health, a wave of opposition has swept across Ontario. in every corner of the province, people of every political stripe overwhelmingly oppose these cuts. in a word, the results of this poll are devastating.” Coun. Joe Cressy, chair of Toronto’s board of health, said in a statement.

Thirty-seven per cent of Conservative voters in the last election say they’ve lost faith in the government’s leadership, while two-thirds say they may have to vote for another party come the next provincial vote.

The provincial government has not commented on the findings of the survey.

The premier is in Durham on Tuesday where he will be addressing business leaders in the GTA. He’s expected to join the Ajax-Pickering board of trade, the Greater Oshawa and Whitby Chamber of Commerce among other members of the business community for a business lunch.

He will also sit down with Lakeridge Health president and CEO Matt Anderson.

The data was collected through an interactive voice response telephone survey conducted across Ontario from May 14 to 16. A total of 1,332 responses were received. Both landline and mobile phone numbers were called. The results of a survey of the magnitude can be considered accurate to within plus or minus 2.7%, 19 times out of 20.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/05/21/ontarians-conservatives-poll/

I actually happened to oversee a contract in a business on Audley Road, North of Taunton in Ajax, and noticed the huge traffic that was very backed up. Initially I thought that it was an accident. But there were hundreds of demonstrators handing out leaflets about the Dumb DOFO cuts. Apparently, he was in the Deer Creek Golf Club as a Guest Speaker at the Durham Chamber of Commerce. I have never seen these many demonstrators in Durham. But what he has managed to be in a few months is what did take the Liberals 15 years to reach such a low esteem in the polls. Yes a huge dip in his popularity. He is going to emulate Wynne in being the most unpopular Premier!!
 

bver_hunter

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Doug Ford met with chorus of boos at Collision conference amid string of tech funding cuts

Premier took stage same day news broke of $24-million funding cut to AI research:
Ontario Premier Doug Ford was met with a chorus of boos and sparse applause as he took the stage at the Collision tech conference in Toronto on Tuesday — the same day that news broke that the province slashed $24 million in artificial intelligence research.

"Thank you for the warm welcome, my friends," Ford said after being introduced by the conference's co-host, Sunil Sharma.

Ford appeared at the conference one day after Prime Minister Trudeau made the case to attendees Monday evening that Canada has immigration to thank for its thriving technology sector. The four-day conference is being held in Canada for the first time and is set to take place in Ontario for the next three years.

The premier — whose government has come under fire for recent cuts to the science and tech sectors, including scrapping funding for stem-cell research earlier this month — told audience members Ontario is "committed to standing with the tech sectors shoulder to shoulder" and made a direct appeal to those present to choose this province to grow their businesses.
Ontario government cuts $24 million in AI research funding
Ford government scraps funding for stem cell research
"If you want to expand, if you want to grow and you want to prosper and thrive, the likes of which you've never seen before, come to Ontario, invest in Ontario," Ford said in closing. "Thank you and God bless each and every one of you."

Tories look to eliminate $11.7B-deficit

As part of his appeal, Ford cited "44 leading colleges and universities that produce more than 50,000 STEM graduates each year" and curricula that go "back to the basics" with a focus on math and science.

Ford's comments come as the Tories are trying to eliminate an $11.7-billion deficit with cuts across a series of industries.

Among the cuts are:

Nearly $52 million for health policy and research, including a large reduction to the Health System Research Fund that contributes to research relevant to provincial policy.
$5 million in planned annual funding — starting next year — to a stem cell research institute. The Ontario Institute for Regenerative Medicine recently announced its 2019-20 funding for research projects, including for new cell treatments for lung injuries in babies, generation of heart pacemaker cells from stem cells, and stimulating muscle repair for a severe type of muscular dystrophy.
$24 million in funding for artificial intelligence research to two institutes: the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research and Vector Institute for Artificial Intelligence. When the Vector Institute was launched in 2017, the Liberal government at the time said the province's investment would help encourage research and development and create jobs. Later that year it introduced a $30 million program for developing the work force, funding master's degree scholarships and creating new AI master's programs. The Tories cut that to $10 million.
A spokeswoman for the economic development minister said the government's understanding is that the Ontario Institute for Regenerative Medicine "will continue to do great work for the sector with private industry funding."

"We have to find small efficiencies across the board," Ford said Tuesday. "It's not sustainable."

'Dragging Ontario backwards'

Some in the field argue that the province's words and actions may not line up.

"We are seeing mixed signals from this government," said Daniel Munro, visiting scholar at the Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy.

"On the one hand, they say that they are 'open for business,' they're interested in finding ways to make companies more innovative and helping to produce jobs. On the other hand, we're seeing cuts to some really important interesting programs," he said.

"I think that mix of messages alone is enough for the tech world or the tech community in Toronto and in Ontario to be concerned ... If you're a tech company that's thinking about where to start up or you're somebody who's thinking about where to invest, you're look at Ontario now as sort of having a more uncertain environment than it did."

For its part, the head of the Vector Institute said the organization has a "strong and productive" working relationship with the province.

"Ontario is unequivocally a top destination in the world for the best talent and companies pursuing AI and the Vector Institute will continue to work with the province to help maintain Ontario's leadership position," president and CEO Garth Gibson said in a statement.

But the NDP's employment, research and innovation critic was much more direct, saying cutting AI funding is short-sighted.

"Instead of preparing our province for the economy of the future, Ford and his Conservatives are dragging Ontario backwards by ripping away resources that support innovation and job creation," Catherine Fife said in a statement.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ford-collision-conference-booed-1.5144117

Almost 3 more years to go for this disastrous Ford Government. But it is clear that he is creating a lot of anger as the polls indicate. More cuts in Health Spending but an increase in salaries for his unqualified buddies that he appointed.
 

james t kirk

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Ontario is so far in debt that it's killing us. Ontario now has the largest sub sovereign debt of any jurisdiction in the world.

What choice does the man have?

Kathleen Wynne and her band of idiots just kept borrowing more and more money year after year and blew the debt through the roof. (Let the good times roll - yee haw.)

It's not sustainable.

All those factories, mines and mills that closed that all the elites never gave a second thought about? They all generated wealth and paid the taxes that fund the government. Guess what? It adds up. Government workers and government industry do not generate wealth.

The root of the problems is that Ontario simply isn't successful enough. We need to overcome that, but with our current education system of encouraging / teaching kids useless shit (bird courses) that is never going to change.
 

Frankfooter

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Ontario is so far in debt that it's killing us. Ontario now has the largest sub sovereign debt of any jurisdiction in the world.

What choice does the man have?

Kathleen Wynne and her band of idiots just kept borrowing more and more money year after year and blew the debt through the roof. (Let the good times roll - yee haw.)

It's not sustainable.

All those factories, mines and mills that closed that all the elites never gave a second thought about? They all generated wealth and paid the taxes that fund the government. Guess what? It adds up. Government workers and government industry do not generate wealth.

The root of the problems is that Ontario simply isn't successful enough. We need to overcome that, but with our current education system of encouraging / teaching kids useless shit (bird courses) that is never going to change.
There are always choices, Doug has less subtlety than Rob, though. I keep hearing that he's wandering through departments just demanding massive cuts without making them strategic, so you get hundreds of high school classes being cut with teachers and schools being cut back big time and replaced with idiotic online classes.

Ford is trying old school austerity as a program, yet its never worked in any country, province or state. You can't cut your way to prosperity, the job losses from these cuts will drop Ontario's output in a big way soon.
There are other ways that have worked, but the way Ford is going won't.

 

Darts

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Ontario is so far in debt that it's killing us. Ontario now has the largest sub sovereign debt of any jurisdiction in the world.
I called the NDP and said I want to leave an Ontario that is debt free to our kids and low taxes so they can keep more of what they earn. I got the impression that they thought I was insane.

Short term pain, long term gain.

Kids are our future so let's not burden them with a huge debt and high taxes.
 

Anbarandy

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I called the NDP and said I want to leave an Ontario that is debt free to our kids and low taxes so they can keep more of what they earn. I got the impression that they thought I was insane.

Short term pain, long term gain.

Kids are our future so let's not burden them with a huge debt and high taxes.
I want to phone them too.

What phone # did you use to contact the NDP?
 

Anbarandy

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Ontario is so far in debt that it's killing us. Ontario now has the largest sub sovereign debt of any jurisdiction in the world.

What choice does the man have?
I don't see, but more importantly neither do investors, lenders, credit rating agencies and the sort, any of the carnage that you, Doug Ford and their blinkered followers purport to be true. It's a manufactured crisis that does not exist.

A 40% debt to GDP ratio is far from "killing us", especially in light that Ontario's credit rating and it's strong foundational support has led to low interest debt issuance and a flood of investment and financing to flow into the province. Talking advantage of this low interest debt issuance environment is a plus.

Now if you, he and they really want to lower the already manageable deficit and debt the place to look and move on is revenue. Ontario has the lowest provincial per capita spending of any province which suggests Ontario has revenue problem not a spending problem.

Ford is blowing through billions of dollars of lost revenue to satisfy his base, which is developers, corporations and the wealthy.
 

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Now you, he and they really want to lower the already manageable deficit and debt the place to look and move on is revenue. Ontario has the lowest provincial per capita spending of any province which suggests Ontario has revenue problem not a spending problem.

Ford is blowing through billions of dollars of lost revenue to satisfy his base, which is developers, corporations and the wealthy.
Conservatives never want to discuss revenue, since that's raising taxes.
For them there is only one way to fix a deficit and debt and that's cutting.
But it leads to economic decline and more deficits.
 

Anbarandy

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Conservatives never want to discuss revenue, since that's raising taxes.
For them there is only one way to fix a deficit and debt and that's cutting.
But it leads to economic decline and more deficits.
Ford really should change those highways signs from "Open For Business" to "We're Now Closed Due To Ineptitude".
 

bver_hunter

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Conservatives never want to discuss revenue, since that's raising taxes.
For them there is only one way to fix a deficit and debt and that's cutting.
But it leads to economic decline and more deficits.
True, but you have to add one crucial spending that the Conservatives always love to do. That is to give the tax breaks to the wealthiest, as they claim that it will grow the economy. All it has done is created even more debt.

 

oldjones

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Conservatives never want to discuss revenue, since that's raising taxes.
For them there is only one way to fix a deficit and debt and that's cutting.
But it leads to economic decline and more deficits.
It's not as if the government sets fire to the money it collects in taxes, or buries it in the ground. Every penny of it — and more, as lonng as we run deficits — gets spent, most of it right here. It goes back into the economy to buy asphalt, and sewer pipe, and steel tracks, and school buildings, and hospitals, and to pay all the people who make them, work work in them, and who spend their paycheques buying what other Ontarians make and do. And every one of us benefits from what those taxes give us, cheaper than if we bought it ourselves.

The time to cut taxes is when the roads are pothole free, when an expensive, polluting car isn't the only available transit, when every hospital patient has a room, the ER isn't the only way to see a doctor fast, when graduating students really can read, write and do math, when we've finally got the mercury out of the water and hired enough inspectors to stop corporate profiteers from dumping more at our expense. When the TDL has shrunk to zero, then you don't need revenue. Cutting what you need to do, like the Torys and the Fords, just means you need more later, when it'll be even more costly.
 

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Ford is blowing through billions of dollars of lost revenue to satisfy his base, which is developers, corporations and the wealthy.

We need developers to employ, corporations don't vote more than unions do and I thought you the wealthy only comprised 1% of the voting public? Your logic is flawed because you are so blindly biased.
 

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We need developers to employ, corporations don't vote more than unions do and I thought you the wealthy only comprised 1% of the voting public? Your logic is flawed because you are so blindly biased.
Corporate tax breaks never lead to more jobs.
 

james t kirk

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Ontario is drowning in debt. In the last 10 years of the liberals. The debt rose from 160 billion to 340 billion dollars. That's not sustainable, nor is is wise.

Just the INTEREST on the debt is the 4'th largest line item in the budget.

1. Health Care.
2. Education.
3. Children and Social Services.
4. Interest on debt.

Every year, we spend 13.3 billion on just interest payments. Imagine what we could build with that money. You can't keep spending more and more money you don't have year after year. Sorry to burst your NDP balloons.

Ford is still deficit financing. Despite all the belly aching, he really has not turned the screws to the province. He's allowing attrition to slowly pare down the numbers of government workers down to more sustainable levels and that needs to be done. Under the Liberals, the ranks of the civil service swelled by an additional 368,000 bodies. That's 368,000 people who do not create wealth, but instead require the rest of us to finance them.

Ask yourself if adding 368,000 people to the government service has made your life any better (assuming you are not a government worker, or believe in empire building)?

Wynne and her bunch of communists have pulled the province way too far to the left. The only hope to saving the whole damn province is to pull it back to the centre. (The part of the spectrum that the liberals are supposed to inhabit.)

But getting back to this "poll" that shows falling support for the conservatives...I suspect the following:

1. They polled people in Toronto who would never vote for Ford in the first place.

2. They polled people who live in the other larger urban centers who would never vote for Ford.

3. They polled mainly young people who by nature would never vote for the conservatives in the first place.

4. There's always going to be a honeymoon period with any new government followed by a period of falling out of love. To be expected.


If another election were held today, not that it would be, the results would be basically the same.

In 4 years, unless Ford truly fucks up, I suspect that he will win again. The liberals won't be ready and the NDP are the NDP.
 

Darts

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Question: Do our leftie teachers teach fiscal responsibility in our schools?
 

Frankfooter

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Ontario is drowning in debt. In the last 10 years of the liberals. The debt rose from 160 billion to 340 billion dollars. That's not sustainable, nor is is wise.
Maybe, but Ontario also already spends the least per capita of any Canadian province.
What we have is a revenue issue, not spending.

Lowering corporate and high income earner taxes has not lead to any more jobs or more wealth for Ontario.
 

oldjones

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It was a 900 response poll with robocalls. This is a heavily biased sample.
They do not publish their response rate (not at least I can find) but generally this is below 10%.
Think about the mentality of people who will actually give their opinion and time to a robocall.

People love these polls as they reinforce their opinions, and sell papers/clicks.
They are generally meaningless, with significant manipulation so their lousy poll demographics fit the population.

Question wording is also critical, and usually the question and the interpretation of the results do not match.
Climate change polls are notorious for this (e.g. "do you believe in climate change" does not mean you believe in Trudeau's brain dead plan).

The big problem is critical thinking is vanishing, and identity politics are taking over. You see it every day on terb.

BTW JTK, always enjoy your "voice of reason" posts.
Only idiots listen to robocalls. No intelligent life-form would answer them. However both groups are still entitled to vote, as long as they are Canadians over 18 resident in the riding.

One does wonder how the robo-callers detected they qualified.
 

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True Colours of DumbDOFO are coming out for all to see:

Ontario resident says he felt ‘intimidated’ from voicemail left by Premier Doug Ford:

An Ontario man says he felt “intimidated” by a voicemail left by Premier Doug Ford telling him to be “careful” about who he calls “corrupt.”

Michael Cole posted a screenshot on Twitter Thursday of a text message he sent to Ford, which included polling support numbers for all political parties in Ontario.

That screenshot also showed a message that said, “How long did it take the provincial Liberals to become this unpopular? It’s almost like it’s a province-wide case of buyers remorse. (Hint: we wanted liberal policy without corruption, you gave us corruption with incompetent policy).”

Speaking to Global News Radio 640 Toronto Friday afternoon, Cole said he sent the text message because he was “angry.”

“I’ve been angry since the beginning of February when he made the [autism] announcement, and I want him to know I’m angry – a lot of us (are angry),” he said, adding he has two sons with autism and has been affected by the changes to the provincial program.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5311884/doug-ford-voicemail/
 
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