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Bar server faces criminal negligence charges in hockey players drunk driving deaths

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Why stop at the bartender ?
Charge the alcohol company, the person who delivered the booze, the bar, the car manufacturer, hell let's go after the city too for making shitty roads.
Everyone but the actual person involved who decided to drink and drive
I totally agree. They fucking put the onus on other people instead of the person/persons making the bad choice. I will say in this particular situation, they should have been carded but I've read so many similar stories where the people were of age and the server is held accountable.

When I was working at a restaurant/bar, there was a guy that would come in almost every day and have two or three pints in the span of few hours. Nobody ever thought anything of it as he seemed totally sober and never appeared to be drunk. One day, he passes out at the bar, falls of the bar stool and cracks his head open. We were all under the assumption it was some kind of medical issue. Turns out he was wasted. He would drink heavily before coming in and put on an incredible sober act. Point being, another example of how my co-worker could have been charged if this guy drove and killed someone, but how the fuck was he supposed to know the guy was drinking before hand?
 

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I totally agree. They fucking put the onus on other people instead of the person/persons making the bad choice. I will say in this particular situation, they should have been carded but I've read so many similar stories where the people were of age and the server is held accountable.

When I was working at a restaurant/bar, there was a guy that would come in almost every day and have two or three pints in the span of few hours. Nobody ever thought anything of it as he seemed totally sober and never appeared to be drunk. One day, he passes out at the bar, falls of the bar stool and cracks his head open. We were all under the assumption it was some kind of medical issue. Turns out he was wasted. He would drink heavily before coming in and put on an incredible sober act. Point being, another example of how my co-worker could have been charged if this guy drove and killed someone, but how the fuck was he supposed to know the guy was drinking before hand?
Stay out of the bar business, too much liability
 

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In Muslim countries they cut off one of your hands (you choose which one) and your left ball if they catch you drinking alcohol.
 

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In Muslim countries they cut off one of your hands (you choose which one) and your left ball if they catch you drinking alcohol.
Non-Muslims are exempted in some of the Muslim
countries. You can drink while visiting Iran, Pakistan,
Qatar and a few others. I doubt punishment of
alcohol consumption is as horrific as cutting one
hand off unless ISIS is in charge.
 

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5 reasons why Muslims don’t drink alcohol

1. Alcohol and prayer do not mix. Prayer (salat) is a fundamental part of the Muslim lifestyle, an obligatory call to God five times a day. A ritual eco “wudhu” (woo-dhoo) is necessary before the prayer which involves a water saving ablution to spiritually connect to environment, health and creation. The presence of alcohol in the same room does not affect the prayer, according to Islamic scholars, but anyone who drinks alcohol cannot pray for a month, unless he or she repents.

2. It’s addictive. Even when the early Muslims recognised alcohol for its medicinal uses, Prophet Muhammad likened the drink to a “disease”, saying there is no cure in things that God has forbidden. Like the first puff of a cigarette, it is up to individual will-power to continue or stop drinking.

3. Liquor clouds the intellect. Khamr also describes how alcohol consumption makes it difficult to differentiate between right and wrong. Muslim faith is founded on the intellect, rational thought and good judgement. Anything that could jeopardise this behaviour is forbidden, and another reason why Muslims don’t drink.

4. It gives the wrong message to children. Sitting in a restaurant where alcohol is served is not the same as drinking it. This is why Islamic law has the flexibility to say if someone needs to sit in such a restaurant for a work meeting or because no other diners are available, he/she can, but should not sit at a table where alcohol is served. On that note, fins local halal restaurants with Zabiha.com’s world halal guide.

Bars and environments where alcohol is served could lead to drinking and in the presence of children, it could teach them to explore drinking. Mature Muslim adults are role models and carry a message that you don’t have to drink to have a good time, to work or to socialise.

Classical and contemporary Islamic scholars have helped explain why an alcohol zone can be as bad as drinking itself,

“The difference between [prohibitions in environment] and [prohibitions related to the end goals] is that while both are forbidden, the former is considered lesser in weight because it is related to causes, whereas the latter is related to an actual forbidden act. Thus, sitting at the table, although not the same as drinking, could lead to it whereas drinking in itself is absolutely forbidden.” – Dr. Abdullah bin Bayyah (Suhaibwebb.com)

5. Alcohol makes one forget. Any intoxicating substance, whether it’s wine, beer, gin, whiskey or drugs, affects a person’s faculties and behaviour. The result is the same, and the Quran outlines that it is the intoxication-which makes one forgetful of God and prayer-that is harmful.

6. Alcohol can lead to criminality. Although a controversial statement, in Islam alcohol is viewed as the “key to every evil” (hadith), because of its close relation to creating or making criminal behaviour easier to commit. That isn’t an omission of the medicinal uses of alcohol, but to say that a prevention is better than a cure. Thus, the Quran explains, “(in alcohol) there is
https://www.greenprophet.com/2011/11/muslims-alcohol-haraam/
 

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What about Molson? Is it less responsible than those who
serve its product?
Molson and the rest of the beer industry are for reasons
beyond my comprehension squeaky clean in their image by
comparison with Philip Morris. It is an industry knowingly
sell a product known to be the cause of impaired driving, domestic
violence and deadly diseases like cirrhosis. Instead of making
some bar server the scapegoat it is time to hold the beer
industry to be the ultimate culprit of death caused
by impaired driving.
The difference between alcohol and tobacco is that alcohol can be consumed responsibly such that the deleterious effects are minimized., but any consumption of tobacco has negative repercussions.
 

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In Muslim countries they cut off one of your hands (you choose which one) and your left ball if they catch you drinking alcohol.
Seems a bit over-the-top to do this, but like the old saying goes, 'no risk, no reward'.
 

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On the basis of physiology any amount of alcohol assimilated
is treated as toxin. Ethanol is detoxified in your liver through
a dehydrogenation reaction to acetaldehyde followed by
conversion to acetic acid (vinegar). Without this detoxification
function even a small amount of alcohol could have deleterious
effect. And you don't have to drink excessively to get fatty liver. Drinking 'responsibly' is good enough. At any rate
not even irresponsible smoking would make a driver
rolling over someone on the road or a guy vandalizing
or beating up family members.
 
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