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bver_hunter

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It was billed as the "climate change election" and the voters soundly rejected the idea of paying more money to government to support meaningless virtue signalling by the political leaders.

This is the same phenomenon we see everywhere, from the protests in France to the progressives in Washington state voting last November against a carbon tax. And, of course, we saw the decimation of the Wynne Liberals in last year's Ontario election.

There's an important lesson here for Democrats in the U.S. and for the Trudeau Liberals about ordinary voters saying 'no' to the elites' agenda.

Did you forget that the Liberals had the Carbon Tax on their Election platform and have implemented it. The right wingers would have slammed them for a broken promise if they did nothing about it. They implemented it in a prudent manner to all the Provinces that either did not have an existing legislation, or repealed one that was in place. What the right wingers try not to mention is that there was a tax credit given to all the taxpayers in advance to offset it. The Baby Scheer Government promised to repeal it, and to replace it with another piece of legislation. Can any of the right wingers elaborate what exactly is he just promising and promising as that is all he does all the time. But do you think in the end we taxpayers will not end up paying for his mythical piece of legislation??

Remember that the present Australian Government are still determined to meet the existing Carbon Emission targets that they set!!
 

Butler1000

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Oct 31, 2011
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Did you forget that the Liberals had the Carbon Tax on their Election platform and have implemented it. The right wingers would have slammed them for a broken promise if they did nothing about it. They implemented it in a prudent manner to all the Provinces that either did not have an existing legislation, or repealed one that was in place. What the right wingers try not to mention is that there was a tax credit given to all the taxpayers in advance to offset it. The Baby Scheer Government promised to repeal it, and to replace it with another piece of legislation. Can any of the right wingers elaborate what exactly is he just promising and promising as that is all he does all the time. But do you think in the end we taxpayers will not end up paying for his mythical piece of legislation??

Remember that the present Australian Government are still determined to meet the existing Carbon Emission targets that they set!!
They also had electoral reform, limited deficits, transparency, no corruption, good relations with natives, etc.

Oh and his four return trips on a private jet to and from Florida in a week for photo ops I'm sure were all good for the environment. As well the ski trips out west.
 

Moviefan-2

Court Jester
Oct 17, 2011
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Did you forget that the Liberals had the Carbon Tax on their Election platform and have implemented it.
In fact, the Liberal platform in 2015 made a commitment to "put a price on carbon" without explaining what that meant. It did not refer to a "tax" and the Liberals didn't campaign on it.

The real test will be the coming election.

If the Liberals do manage to get re-elected, it will likely be in spite of the carbon tax, not because of it.

In fact, they're probably waking up to that reality. That would explain why there current baseless allegations about everything from abortion to racism. Trudeau's own caucus members have told him that voters care more about the cost of living than "taking action" on "climate change."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ontario-liberal-mp-october-election-1.5135722
 

saxon

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Dec 2, 2009
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Did you forget that the Liberals had the Carbon Tax on their Election platform and have implemented it. The right wingers would have slammed them for a broken promise if they did nothing about it. They implemented it in a prudent manner to all the Provinces that either did not have an existing legislation, or repealed one that was in place. What the right wingers try not to mention is that there was a tax credit given to all the taxpayers in advance to offset it. The Baby Scheer Government promised to repeal it, and to replace it with another piece of legislation. Can any of the right wingers elaborate what exactly is he just promising and promising as that is all he does all the time. But do you think in the end we taxpayers will not end up paying for his mythical piece of legislation??

Remember that the present Australian Government are still determined to meet the existing Carbon Emission targets that they set!!
If the Australian government can meet its carbon emission targets without a carbon tax why can’t we do the same?
 

K Douglas

Half Man Half Amazing
Jan 5, 2005
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Now you say that no one "denies" that the climate is changing and it is due to the manmade Carbon Emissions?? Really, then you must have missed out on the numerous threads where the right wingers call Climate Change due to man made Carbon Emissions .... Fake!!
Where did I say its due to manmade carbon emissions. Climate is always changing. And it has little to do with our actions.
 

bver_hunter

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Nov 5, 2005
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They also had electoral reform, limited deficits, transparency, no corruption, good relations with natives, etc.

Oh and his four return trips on a private jet to and from Florida in a week for photo ops I'm sure were all good for the environment. As well the ski trips out west.
There you go on and on. So at least he addressed the Carbon Tax. But of course look at it in perspective of the previous Harper regime:

Questionable use of government jets is a bipartisan pastime in Canada. In 2014, the Harper government was criticized for a series of seemingly non-work-related flights using the RCAF fleet of VIP aircraft. Then-cabinet minister Joe Oliver used a Challenger jet to travel to Paris for less than two days in a trip costing $52,000. In 2011, then-defence minister Peter MacKay ran up a tab of $17,411 for a five hour flight that appeared to go nowhere, with its flight manifest reading only “Ottawa, Ottawa, Ottawa.”
Well I never saw you pointing out the Harper regimes' waste of cash and unnecessary high carbon emissions!!
 

bver_hunter

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If the Australian government can meet its carbon emission targets without a carbon tax why can’t we do the same?
So what exactly did they do to reduce those emissions?? They came up with a $2.55 billions of dollars worth of The Climate Solutions Fund. They then added $2 billion more to it. So whose money is it, if it is not the taxpayers cash??

http://www.environment.gov.au/climate-change/government/emissions-reduction-fund

In the end it is no different from a Carbon Tax, if the taxpayers are on the hook for it.

At least the Trudeau government are crediting all the taxpayers for their Carbon Taxes etc.
 

bver_hunter

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Where did I say its due to manmade carbon emissions. Climate is always changing. And it has little to do with our actions.
"Little to do with our actions". Okay which Canadian Political Party states that Carbon Emissions is not at fault??? I have asked the right wingers this question on several occasions, and to date none of you can answer it!!
 

K Douglas

Half Man Half Amazing
Jan 5, 2005
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"Little to do with our actions". Okay which Canadian Political Party states that Carbon Emissions is not at fault??? I have asked the right wingers this question on several occasions, and to date none of you can answer it!!
Irrelevant due to the fact that political parties are not experts on climate science.
 

Butler1000

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Oct 31, 2011
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There you go on and on. So at least he addressed the Carbon Tax. But of course look at it in perspective of the previous Harper regime:



Well I never saw you pointing out the Harper regimes' waste of cash and unnecessary high carbon emissions!!
Harper wasn't a hypocrite about it.
 

Butler1000

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Good argument that decisions on climate change mitigation should be made by scientists, not politicians or hobbyists.
I prefer democracy thanks.
 

Moviefan-2

Court Jester
Oct 17, 2011
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Irrelevant due to the fact that political parties are not experts on climate science.
Furthermore, even if you believe emissions are changing the planet, none of the political parties in Canada other than the Green Party are actually proposing to do anything to reduce global emissions.

For example, the reduction that would come from the Trudeau government's carbon pricing is microscopic and statistically meaningless. The result will be the exact same as doing absolutely nothing.

Meanwhile, in British Columbia, the NDP government is exploring options to help people increase their carbon footprints: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ke...ing-what-it-wanted-and-it-sure-doesnt-like-it

So much for the "climate emergency." :biggrin1:
 

Frankfooter

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Furthermore, even if you believe emissions are changing the planet, none of the political parties in Canada other than the Green Party are actually proposing to do anything to reduce global emissions.

For example, the reduction that would come from the Trudeau government's carbon pricing is microscopic and statistically meaningless. The result will be the exact same as doing absolutely nothing.

Meanwhile, in British Columbia, the NDP government is exploring options to help people increase their carbon footprints: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ke...ing-what-it-wanted-and-it-sure-doesnt-like-it

So much for the "climate emergency." :biggrin1:
Still cheering for more climate change, moviefan?
You must really hate your kids.

Its true that the carbon tax is minimal, it won't make a massive difference nor will it cost much either.
That puts it as a tiny first step.

Other things are happening that will help, coal is dying out as its too expensive compared to wind/solar now. People are having fewer kids because under the plutocracy unless you're rich you can't afford them.
Electric cars are coming.

But so is climate change.

As one of the biggest deniers, you should go buy property in Miami and put your money where your mouth is.
Latest projections say there could be 2 metres sea level increase by the end of the century, of course you'll be dead anyways.

Only the really stupid are still denying, the rest, like you, know its happening but won't do anything about it.
Its that 'are humans smarter than yeast' question.
 
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