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Anti-Semitic Crime Rises in Germany, and Far Right Is Blamed

Darts

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Phil, the lefties know only 5 words.

racist

bigot

Islamophobe, and now white (not black and not brown) nationalist.

Don't confuse them with facts.
 

Frankfooter

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Good, so when I refer to Islamic terrorism I am also not referring to all muslims, just the radical ones (and the subset of scared Libs who keep defending them).

I'm so glad we agree
If only it were so clear.

I can point to Jewish groups, like IJVCanada, Breakingthesilence, J-Street who post similar views to mine, just as I can easily link to left wing groups that argue against white nationalists. What I never see from you, zailbetter, basketcase, conil or the others here are you posting links to Muslim groups that you support, meaning you apparently don't think there are good Muslims, according to your posting history.

That's a very important distinction.
 

Darts

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when I refer to Islamic terrorism I am also not referring to all muslims, just the radical ones (and the subset of scared Libs who keep defending them).
According to the liberal lefty handbook, criticism of one Muslim is criticism of all Muslims.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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If only it were so clear.

I can point to Jewish groups, like IJVCanada, Breakingthesilence, J-Street who post similar views to mine, just as I can easily link to left wing groups that argue against white nationalists. What I never see from you, zailbetter, basketcase, conil or the others here are you posting links to Muslim groups that you support, meaning you apparently don't think there are good Muslims, according to your posting history.

That's a very important distinction
I dont support Islam because I think its a fucked up religion. I hate all religions, but Islam really takes the cake.

I dont however think all muslims are evil, many are just brainwashed or misguided. It all depends where you have grown up.

If you grew up in Saudi Arabia there's a strong chance you'd become a muslim because thats all your exposed to. If you grew up in the Bible belt there's a strong chance you'd become a christian because thats all your exposed to. If you grew up in India there's a strong chance you'd become a Hindu because thats all your exposed to. Etc......etc.

You cant always hold these people responsible for their beliefs, because often they dont know any better. But that doesnt mean I have to like Islamic ideology, which clearly you can tell from my posts that I do not!

The part where we differ is you dont think we're allowed to criticize Islam ever. I think we should criticize it.
The other part where we differ is you think criticism of Islam automatically equals racism, which is a completely false narrative and only stifles healthy debate
 

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You're not going to Smollett your way to victory here, buddy
 

Frankfooter

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I dont support Islam because I think its a fucked up religion. I hate all religions, but Islam really takes the cake.

I dont however think all muslims are evil, many are just brainwashed or misguided. It all depends where you have grown up.

If you grew up in Saudi Arabia there's a strong chance you'd become a muslim because thats all your exposed to. If you grew up in the Bible belt there's a strong chance you'd become a christian because thats all your exposed to. If you grew up in India there's a strong chance you'd become a Hindu because thats all your exposed to. Etc......etc.

You cant always hold these people responsible for their beliefs, because often they dont know any better. But that doesnt mean I have to like Islamic ideology, which clearly you can tell from my posts that I do not!

The part where we differ is you dont think we're allowed to criticize Islam ever. I think we should criticize it.
The other part where we differ is you think criticism of Islam automatically equals racism, which is a completely false narrative and only stifles healthy debate
If your posts were critical of all religions than I wouldn't have a problem with them. You say you're critical of all religions, personally I totally agree with you and think all religions are totally stupid but people should have the choice to believe in invisible people if they like, but you only ever criticize one religion.

But lets take a look at this one statement in your post:
I dont however think all muslims are evil, many are just brainwashed or misguided. It all depends where you have grown up.
That reads like you do you think all Muslims are evil, but that some are just brainwashed and/or misguided.

People are just people, most religions have good parts and bad parts and every major religion has totally kooky sects as well, like the Amish or born again Christians, very Orthodox Jews and some Muslem sects.
Where we really differ is that I criticize government policy in Israel, which has nothing to do with race, or criticize fucked up Christians who support Trump and call for banning abortion. Same with criticism of white nationalists, who's members are conservatives but really only extreme right wing conservatives who don't tar the membership of all conservatives. I would never associate Harper with white nationalists, though the ties with Trump are quite clear.

And here you are unable to articulate or ever state clearly that you there are Muslim communities that are clearly against both anti-Semitism and Islamaphobia, while you continue to argue that either Islamaphobia is justified or its not racism because its a religion. Never do I hear you argue that Islamaphobia is bad as it tars the entire community with the crimes of a small number of extremists, the way that white nationalists/supremacists are a small community of extremists within the right wing. That means you continue to argue and post in ways that contribute to Islamaphobia and hatred while offering no solutions other than trying to ban all Muslims.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-46355210
 

Phil C. McNasty

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That reads like you do [you] think all Muslims are evil
Of course thats how an anti-semite would read it, because you're projecting your own hatred onto my post.
And thats why you've been banned not once, not twice, but 3 times under the groggy/flubadub/gryphin handles.

BTW bad grammar dude, I put the redundant *you* in brackets
 

Frankfooter

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Of course thats how an anti-semite would read it, because you're projecting your own hatred onto my post.
And thats why you've been banned not once, not twice, but 3 times under the groggy/flubadub/gryphin handles.

BTW bad grammar dude, I put the redundant *you* in brackets
Thanks for being the daily grammar police.

And what were you just banned for?
Tell you what, easy test about racism and banning here.
If we went through one of the threads here and with you replaced the word 'Muslim' with 'Jew' in your posts and did the opposite replacement with me, you'd be banned but I wouldn't.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Tell you what, easy test about racism and banning here.
If we went through one of the threads here and with you replaced the word 'Muslim' with 'Jew' in your posts and did the opposite replacement with me, you'd be banned but I wouldn't
We dont need to, because you were banned 3 times for doing exactly that :spit:
 

Darts

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I think Jews are super intelligent and accomplished. They deserve better.

My family was very poor when I was a kid and a Jewish lawyer and a Jewish notary did some work for us pro-bono or at a deep discount. I also worked for a time with a Jewish firm--it was generally a good experience. They earned my trust.
 

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I think Jews are super intelligent and accomplished. They deserve better.

My family was very poor when I was a kid and a Jewish lawyer and a Jewish notary did some work for us pro-bono or at a deep discount. I also worked for a time with a Jewish firm--it was generally a good experience. They earned my trust.
You do realize that treating an entire group as a single entity is still racism, even if you think you are being positive right?


p.s. Germany just passed a bill declaring “the pattern of argument and methods of the BDS movement are anti-Semitic,”. Seems the authorities there are concerned about anti-semitism from the left and the right.
 

Frankfooter

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You do realize that treating an entire group as a single entity is still racism, even if you think you are being positive right?


p.s. Germany just passed a bill declaring “the pattern of argument and methods of the BDS movement are anti-Semitic,”. Seems the authorities there are concerned about anti-semitism from the left and the right.
Trying to conflate BDS with anti-semitism is like last ditch PR campaigns of Apartheid South Africa.
They may score a short term goal, but long term, trying to associate the government policies of Israel with the entire race may just lead to more anti-semitism.

Netanyahu may have moved against the wishes of German Jews.
https://www.haaretz.com/embeds/pdf_upload/2019/20190516-185634.pdf
 

Darts

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You do realize that treating an entire group as a single entity is still racism, even if you think you are being positive right?
Of course, the left sees racism behind every tree. Jews as a group are superintelligent and accomplished.

BDS is just more liberal lefty crap. Those who can, do. Those who can't, blame the Jews.
 

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Of course, the left sees racism behind every tree. Jews as a group are superintelligent and accomplished. ....
Except the ones that are stupid or just plain average like happens in every other statistical group.
 

Frankfooter

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Except the ones that are stupid or just plain average like happens in every other statistical group.
That's quite the team you've got behind you these days.

I still don't see why you keep backing the same policy out of Israel as for the last decade or so.
Netanyahu's endgame appears to be annexing all the good bits of Palestine while continuing to rule the leftover while keeping it stateless and worse than the Warsaw Ghetto.

Its the one state apartheid plan he's lead Israel into.

Why weren't you shouting and arguing to really put in place the two state solution when it was possible, instead of endlessly trying to blame Hamas for being occupied and not liking it while supporting the ongoing colonization?
Now you're left with a state backed by the extreme right wingers and racists here, like your new pal darts.
 

Darts

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Except the ones that are stupid or just plain average like happens in every other statistical group.
I never met any stupid Jews. (Maybe I run in the wrong circle?) Where are they?

"Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 900 individuals, of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population."
 

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This is not just an Anti-Muslim hate crimes by the right, but against all those perceived to be foreigners!!

Antisemitic and xenophobic hate crime up by 20 percent in Germany:

There were 7,701 total reported crimes against those perceived as foreigners in 2018, and 1,799 antisemitic hate crimes.

There were 1,799 antisemitic hate crimes reported in Germany in 2018 – and nearly 90 percent of the perpetrators had a right-wing extremist background.

Interior Minister Horst Seehofer introduced the new official figures on Tuesday.
There were 7,701 total reported crimes against those perceived as foreigners in 2018, a 20 percent increase from 2017. Antisemitic crime increased by the same rate and comprised nearly one quarter of total reported xenophobic incidents.

Some 39 percent of reported xenophobic hate crimes involved the use of illegal use of symbols and logos, such as the swastika.

“Especially in our country, we have to stand against this with all our means,” Seehofer told reporters. “It’s very important to me that we bring the scale of this into people’s consciousness.”

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.co...hobic-hate-crime-up-by-20-percent-in-germany/
 
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