Good question.
At this point who knows if it would cost more to start over from scratch or to keep trying to fix the system as it is.
Phoenix Payroll Fiasco
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At this point who knows if it would cost more to start over from scratch or to keep trying to fix the system as it is.
Did you ask her when the program began? It was an initiative under Harper's reign and was rolled out under him. All of the testing was under Harper and it was the bureaucrats under Harper that pushed for it to be used universally. A ton of money was already spent by the government under Harper.
And as I mentioned, does anyone think either Trudeau or Harper had much to do with the decision? The choice of how to manage payroll would have been would have been entirely in the hands of bureaucrats.
But of course we have learned from the US that everything should be judged purely on which party is doing it.
p.s. Does anyone else find it funny that the hard right is suddenly concerned about the welfare of Federal unionised workers?
It doesn't matter where one stands on the political spectrum, employees should get paid on a timely basis.
basketcase I agree with you this is just another government screw up. Both parties share some responsibility and yes it was developed under Harper and is now a giant mess. I was just correcting Shakenbake on is info. Personally I have no confidence in government( provincial, regional, municipal or federal) with any major project because there track record is horrible.
Makes a good break from when you are complaining that those same workers are overpaid, lazy, and should get fired.
Maybe we wouldn't have a Phoenix fiasco if they were more competent (or less incompetent) but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be paid based on their contracts. After all they are human (we hope) and have mouths to feed and mortgages to be paid.
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OnTheWayOut
Telephones. Check them out, they make it easy and fast to be able to ring someone up to get info. Lots of other good uses as well.
Then, she is full of shit. I observed when the feds rolled out Phoenix. And, it was well before Justin took the reins of power from Stephen. Again, Phoenix was started in 2009 and implementation was in June 2015, BEFORE the federal election that Justin won, and AGAINST IBM's (the contractor responsible for the Phoenix system) recommendation to test the system out before full implementation. It was the Public services Canada under Harper and Clement that forced the system on to the public service sector against the contractor's recommendation. Why? Because they wanted to 'save' money by using a shared service. And, under Shared Services canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_Services_Canada), don't get me started on what replaced a perfectly good travel services arrangement that the feds had, and by some shitty off-shore travel services organisation that caused a great deal of woe and misery to travellers who had to deliver core mandate services to Canadians. Or, for that matter, shared services e-mail system that caused wor and misery, as well. Well before the 2015 election.
It was NOT tested out, the responsible agency was told to proceed without testing. Open your partisan eyes, for once.
The Auditor General's report found that in June 2015, Public Services and Procurement Canada cancelled a pilot to test Phoenix in a single department to assess whether Phoenix was ready for government wide use.[SUP][9][/SUP]
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"May 2015
Original rollout delayed
At IBM's recommendation, the original rollout schedule of October and December 2015 is delayed because of outstanding "critical" defects in the system.
June 2015
Miramichi workload high, even before Phoenix
Compensation workers can't keep up with complaints for the first, smaller groups of accounts transferred to Miramichi
Read more
Feb. 24, 2016
IBM's Phoenix system goes live
April 2016
Pay problems hit the news"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-ottawa-timeline-1.3691812
Original rollout delayed
At IBM's recommendation, the original rollout schedule of October and December 2015 is delayed because of outstanding "critical" defects in the system.
June 2015
Miramichi workload high, even before Phoenix
Compensation workers can't keep up with complaints for the first, smaller groups of accounts transferred to Miramichi
Read more
Feb. 24, 2016
IBM's Phoenix system goes live
April 2016
Pay problems hit the news"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-ottawa-timeline-1.3691812
If the system went live in Feb 2016, how is it that there were compensation claim problems in June 2015, before the system went 'live'? There is something wrong with the CBC article. Then again, One can say that it is true that the Conservatives started the process to move to Phoenix, but the Liberals did very little to stop it. However, we cannot blame only one player, both contributed to the existence of Phoenix; the 'creators' and the 'complacent enablers', although it was difficult to foresee that the system would be as disastrous as it has been.
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Of course there is. I guess iPolitics is wrong too: https://ipolitics.ca/2018/12/31/phoenix-the-biggest-scandal-people-have-stopped-talking-about/
"Yet if you’re looking at a public policy scandal that should still be big news and hardly rates a mention anymore, look to the Phoenix pay debacle. Since the ill-conceived pay system for federal public servants was rolled out in early 2016, this mess has cost taxpayers an estimated $1.1 billion — and it could cost billions more before it’s fixed."
Global news is also not to be trusted: https://globalnews.ca/news/4238815/auditor-general-phoenix-pay-system-second-report/
"The pay system was never properly tested before its initial launch in February 2016, and Phoenix executives either didn’t understand or ignored warnings of problems, choosing to place potential savings targets ahead of system readiness, said Ferguson’s spring report."
Is there no where we can turn to in Canada for trustworthy reporting??
The point is that it was the Harper government that rammed the system down the public service throats. And, it started during Harper’s tenure. I was there when it happened. Where were you?
Nice try quoting only part of what I wrote, btw.
If you think what you did can replace a full payroll system for 300K employees, then you show yourself to have the typical intellect of a conservative.
The real issue is why it was decided to replace a system that was working, with one that had never worked anywhere.
