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As States Race to Limit Abortions, Alabama Seeks to Outlaw Most of Them

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/us/abortion-alabama-ban.html

Smells like progress.

MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Amid a flurry of new limits on abortion being sought in states around the nation, Alabama is weighing a measure that would go further than all of them — outlawing most abortions almost entirely.

The effort in Alabama, where the State Senate could vote as soon as Thursday, is unfolding as Republicans, emboldened by President Trump and the shifting alignment of the Supreme Court, intensify a long-running campaign to curb abortion access.

Yet the Alabama measure is also a departure from the incremental strategy that abortion critics have often pursued: There is nothing gradual about the sweeping ban that the state’s lawmakers are considering.

Alabama’s measure would effectively ban most abortions at every stage of pregnancy, from conception on, and would criminalize the procedure for doctors. A doctor could be charged with a felony, and face up to 99 years in prison, for performing an abortion in most circumstances; a doctor could risk a 10-year prison term for attempting an abortion. Some exceptions were being considered, including provisions added to the measure on Wednesday that would allow abortions in cases of rape or incest.

“The back door hasn’t worked, I’ll just tell you,” said Representative Rich Wingo, a Republican from Tuscaloosa County and an architect of the Alabama legislation, which the State House approved last month. “Other methods haven’t worked to date. This is a yes or no, up or down.”

Some measures in other states have tested the boundaries of court protections for abortion in various ways. But the expansive Alabama legislation stands in direct opposition to the Supreme Court’s landmark Roe v. Wade ruling of 1973, which legalized abortion up to the point when a fetus is viable outside the womb, usually about 24 weeks into a pregnancy.

As with the long list of abortion limits being weighed in other places, the Alabama measure is aimed at reaching the Supreme Court, where conservatives have been buoyed by the arrival of Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh. Alabama Republicans say they want the court to re-examine the core issues in Roe.
For the naysayers, please read:

1. Do you choose to have sex?
No - You don't need an abortion
Yes goto question #2


2. Do you use birth control?
Yes - You don't need an abortion
No, goto question #3


3. Do you engage in sex that won't cause pregnancy
ie: handjobs, footjobs, oral, anal, etc.
Yes - you don't need an abortion
No goto question #4


4. Did you take the morning after pill within 72 hours of unprotected vaginal sex?
Yes - You don't need an abortion
No - Congratulations you're an idiot


Note:
Less than 5% of rapes result in a pregnancy and approximately 75% of women that get pregnant due to rape refuse to have an abortion.
 

basketcase

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Obviously just an attempt to get an abortion case in from of the newly conservative supreme court.


p.s. There's this thing called a politics forum.
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/us/abortion-alabama-ban.html

Smells like progress.



For the naysayers, please read:

1. Do you choose to have sex?
No - You don't need an abortion
Yes goto question #2


2. Do you use birth control?
Yes - You don't need an abortion
No, goto question #3


3. Do you engage in sex that won't cause pregnancy
ie: handjobs, footjobs, oral, anal, etc.
Yes - you don't need an abortion
No goto question #4


4. Did you take the morning after pill within 72 hours of unprotected vaginal sex?
Yes - You don't need an abortion
No - Congratulations you're an idiot


Note:
Less than 5% of rapes result in a pregnancy and approximately 75% of women that get pregnant due to rape refuse to have an abortion.
You can use that line of stupid reasoning to justify anything.

I can do that for coal miners.

1. Do you have a good education?
No - goto question 2
Yes - You can learn to code, you are good

2. Do you have money saved up?
No - goto question 3
Yes - Go back to school and learn to code

3. Did you not see that coal is a dead industry?
No- Congratulations, you are an idiot
Yes - Congratulations, you are an idiot
 

saxon

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I’ve never really understood US politics. American politicians are attempting to overthrow Maduro because of human rights violations but they think nothing of violating the rights of millions of American women.
 

K Douglas

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I’ve never really understood US politics. American politicians are attempting to overthrow Maduro because of human rights violations but they think nothing of violating the rights of millions of American women.
First of all you are assuming incorrectly that Maduro is the legitimate leader of Venezuela. Secondly, you are comparing apples to oranges. There's a big difference between an individuals right to safety of the person and to peaceful protest and speech vs. the right of a woman to have an abortion.

Is logic a disease to liberals?
 

luvyeah

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You can use that line of stupid reasoning to justify anything.

I can do that for coal miners.

1. Do you have a good education?
No - goto question 2
Yes - You can learn to code, you are good

2. Do you have money saved up?
No - goto question 3
Yes - Go back to school and learn to code

3. Did you not see that coal is a dead industry?
No- Congratulations, you are an idiot
Yes - Congratulations, you are an idiot
Stop making me kekle with the #learntocode.
Javascript and html/css is not fucking code.

But I get the point.
 

K Douglas

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I certainly don't support the Alabama law it's backward and harmful to society. A lot of Republicans are outraged at this bills passing. I'm even having a hard time with the heartbeat bills that have been passed in a few states. Sadly I think these are reactionary to the deplorable bill that was passed a few months back in N.Y.
 

basketcase

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...Sadly I think these are reactionary to the deplorable bill that was passed a few months back in N.Y.
And what exactly do you find "deplorable" in that bill? Do you think that women should be forced to carry a fetus to term if their health is at risk or the birth in not viable? Canadian law is similar on this.
https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/articles/2019/liz-krueger/faqs-about-reproductive-health-act


The Alabama bill is not in the slightest bit "reactionary". It is quite simply a law designed to go to the newly conservative majority Supreme Court.
 

K Douglas

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And what exactly do you find "deplorable" in that bill? Do you think that women should be forced to carry a fetus to term if their health is at risk or the birth in not viable? Canadian law is similar on this.
https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/articles/2019/liz-krueger/faqs-about-reproductive-health-act


The Alabama bill is not in the slightest bit "reactionary". It is quite simply a law designed to go to the newly conservative majority Supreme Court.
That bills provisions are ambiguous. Health at risk is not properly defined. Also allows non physicians to perform abortions. And viable fetus could be broadened to include babies with Down's Syndrome. Roe v Wade already allowed late term abortions in cases of mother's life in danger.
 

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Apparently even Pat Robertson has spoken out against the new law in Alabama stating that it goes too far.
 

james t kirk

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I'm glad I live in Canada.

Opening an abortion debate will get your ass voted out of office real fast.
 

HungSowel

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Apparently even Pat Robertson has spoken out against the new law in Alabama stating that it goes too far.
Pat is quite pragmatic. A few months ago he was talking about the big arms deal with SA and about MBS killing that reporter, he was pro selling weapons to SA because of the money and jobs.
 

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Less than 5% of rapes result in a pregnancy and approximately 75% of women that get pregnant due to rape refuse to have an abortion.
How is that relevant? So since 95% of rapes do not result in pregnancy and of the 5% that do, 75% of women refuse of have an abortion, you're saying screw the 1.25% of women who are raped who want to have an abortion?

There is no good answer to the abortion question, which is why prevention is so important. I actually understand both sides of this issue. I can fully understand the pro-lifers who believe life begins at conception, because that's just as viable an opinion as those who believe it begins at the heartbeat, or even at birth. I also fully understand the pro-choicers (being one myself) in their belief that the health and safety of the mother must be given much consideration.

What doesn't help is the pro-lifers accusing the pro-choicers of being murderers or the pro-choicers accusing the pro-lifers of being misogynists. Cut that shit out and open your eyes a little! It's fine to disagree with the other side, but it's important to understand their perspective before doing so.
 

james t kirk

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I've said it before, I will say it again.

There is no such thing as the "right to life" crowd. They should call themselves a "right to birth" crowd because that's all they are. Once the baby is born, they could fucking care less. They just put up their arms, announce "mission accomplished" and walk away all sanctimonious without a care in the world as to who will raise an unwanted child. The term "unwanted" never enters their minds. Never mind people who are just not in a position to raise a child. The right to birth crowd are the same assholes who rail against poor people and poor women who need social assistance to survive. How many times do you hear them say things such as "baby mama" or "baby daddy" or "welfare mother" with a sneer in their voice and a sense of overwhelming superiority. If you ever want a laugh, just ask a "right to birther", "who will raise all these unwanted babies?" Nine times out of ten, you will get a confused look like you just asked them about Newtonian physics and they will respond, "well, their parents." Never even crosses their (so called) minds that the "parents" in question simply aren't in a position to raise a baby, not without a lot of help from the government to help pay to raise a child that most simply cannot afford.

There was a survey a while back that said that fully 50 % of Canadians were $200.00 removed from insolvency. I doubt that Americans are that much different. Just add a baby to the equation and see how it works out.

I am in full agreement that with the availability of birth control, these things should not happen, but there are a couple of things for the sanctimonious to remember. 1. Usually, the "right to birth crowd" on top of casting their judgement upon "welfare moms", are the same idiots who don't believe in sex education and they actively work to dial that back to the 1930's as well. (Make America great again.) 2. These same "right to birth" types are the same ones who lose their shit at the very thought of making birth control available to kids. They figure that abstainance should be the only thing on the table. You see such lunacy in the American right when they come up with the over the top creepy "purity balls", "chastity ceremonies" and "chastity rings with daddies and daughters. Fucking seriously people. 3. There is the way it should be when it comes to teenage sex and the way that it is. Try to remember what it was like to be 17 and exploding with horniness. Yeah, sure, you may know better, but it doesn't always work that way in practice does it.
 
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