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luvyeah

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I have outlook but I believe you have to upgrade to outlook office to encrypt.

Another option is to buy an encryption service.

Which one should I use?


This is for home use
It depends the reasoning behind why you want encypted mail. An outlook account will never be completely safe because it is microsoft and microsoft along with most other coporations like google, apple and the such are in bed with the government.

A couple solutions:

Create a new emai on Protonmail or Tutatnota - there are free versions and paid subsciptions.


OR

Begin to use "Pretty Good Privacy" or "GNU Privacy Guard" To generate a public and private key for end to end encryption.
- I don't use this, however it would take a bit to setup and get used to - but probably the best option for true encryption.

A good resource to read:
https://www.privacytools.io/

Email in particular:
https://www.privacytools.io/providers/email/
 

Zoot Allures

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It depends the reasoning behind why you want encypted mail. An outlook account will never be completely safe because it is microsoft and microsoft along with most other coporations like google, apple and the such are in bed with the government.

A couple solutions:

Create a new emai on Protonmail or Tutatnota - there are free versions and paid subsciptions.


OR

Begin to use "Pretty Good Privacy" or "GNU Privacy Guard" To generate a public and private key for end to end encryption.
- I don't use this, however it would take a bit to setup and get used to - but probably the best option for true encryption.

A good resource to read:
https://www.privacytools.io/

Email in particular:
https://www.privacytools.io/providers/email/
I have just done that. Protonmail was created by geniuses at the Haldron colider, fuck they all got PHDs in physics!

Now my question is does the free version work?

I sent a proton email to my outlook account and it arrived unencrypted. So, it left my account encrypted then went to their server then to my outlook account. At what point did it get unencrypted and how is that safe?

I assumed the reciever had to have a pswd so they can unencrypt it as well as proper software.

I would appreciate an explanation as proton FAQ does not clarify how a email can arrive at recipients unencrypted yet still be safe.
 

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Maybe your outlook account automatically decrypts the email when it retrieves it from your inbound mail server. Did you supply outlook with your public key?
 

luvyeah

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I have just done that. Protonmail was created by geniuses at the Haldron colider, fuck they all got PHDs in physics!

Now my question us WTF is going on with the free version?

I sent a proton email to my outlook account and it arrived unencrypted. So, it left my account encrypted then went to their server then to my outlook account. At what point did it get unencrypted and how is that safe?

I assumed the reciever had to have a pswd so they can unencrypt it as well as proper software.

I would appreciate an explanation as proton FAQ does not clarify how a email can arrive at recipients unencrypted yet still be safe.
It is not end to end encryption. Both the sender and the recipent need to have their mailboxes encrypted to be considered truly encrypted. If the recipient is an outlook account, it is not encrypted, regardless of what microsoft says, the government specifically the US government can and will access that email if they have the right reasons to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_encryption

https://blog.privacymachine.info/guide-to-choosing-the-right-email-service/#tutanota

I will shill tutanota for the reasons listed in that article.

At the end of the day, anything that can be encrypted can and will be decrypted, it's just a matter of time, so I'd advise you to be good boys!
 

Zoot Allures

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It is not end to end encryption. Both the sender and the recipent need to have their mailboxes encrypted to be considered truly encrypted. If the recipient is an outlook account, it is not encrypted, regardless of what microsoft says, the government specifically the US government can and will access that email if they have the right reasons to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_encryption

https://blog.privacymachine.info/guide-to-choosing-the-right-email-service/#tutanota

I will shill tutanota for the reasons listed in that article.

At the end of the day, anything that can be encrypted can and will be decrypted, it's just a matter of time, so I'd advise you to be good boys!
Thx luvyeah. You sound like u know WTF is going on.

So, the free version gets stored encrypted in proton's server and that is why it is relatively safe? If big brother wants to view it they will only view the encrypted version as proton claims even they cannot unencrypt it which begs the question how did outlook receive it unencrypted?
 

luvyeah

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Thx luvyeah. You sound like u know WTF is going on.

So, the free version gets stored encrypted in proton's server and that is why it is relatively safe? If big brother wants to view it they will only view the encrypted version as proton claims even they cannot unencrypt it which begs the question how did outlook receive it unencrypted?
I really wish I fully understood this, but I don't.

However, I believe what is going on is that the email being sent from protonmail is not encrypted, it is only encrypted when it is stored and sent to another proton mail account. How could it be, outlook doesnt have the algorithm required to decrypt it only protonmail does.

This looks interesting:
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/encrypt-for-outside-users/

In this case it looks like the message is never sent over to another server, it remains on protonmail's server, only a prompt is sent which requires a password.

I don't use protonmail, I have only used tutatnota.
And most if not all the recipients I send a message to use mainstream emails, which defeats the purpose.
 

luvyeah

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This confirms what I assumed before.
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/how-to-use-pgp/

By default, ProtonMail communicates with external email accounts without end-to-end encryption. While, we store your emails encrypted, the external email provider on the other side might have access to the emails sent from ProtonMail. To provide end-to-end encryption between ProtonMail and external email providers, ProtonMail provides two options: Encryption for Outside Users and PGP encryption.
As well it explains how to make end to end encryption possible regardless of the email server used.

Perhaps because protonmail uses gpg it allows for more flexibility.

The only reasons I've stuck to tutanota is beacuse in the past protonmail had trouble with its servers and they were often down, no idea if this still the case.

And I'm quite a lazy fuck - why fix something that isnt broken.

I guess my new project is to learn how to use protomail with gpg and the mutt client.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutt_(email_client)
 

Zoot Allures

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Looks solid! Even the free version!!!!

I asked them and this was their response:

The encryption level that is used between all types of ProtonMail accounts is the same. Messages sent between ProtonMail users are end-to-end encryption.


End-to-End Encryption messages are encrypted at all times

Messages are stored on ProtonMail servers in encrypted format. They are also transmitted in encrypted format between our servers and user devices. Messages between ProtonMail users are also transmitted in encrypted form within our secure server network. Because data is encrypted at all steps, the risk of message interception is largely eliminated.


Zero Access to User Data. Your encrypted data is not accessible to us

ProtonMail's zero access architecture means that your data is encrypted in a way that makes it inaccessible to us. Data is encrypted on the client side using an encryption key that we do not have access to. This means we don't have the technical ability to decrypt your messages, and as a result, we are unable to hand your data over to third parties. With ProtonMail, privacy isn't just a promise, it is mathematically ensured. For this reason, we are also unable to do data recovery. If you forget your password, we cannot recover your data.
Demo showing email cryptography End-to-end encryption means that no one but the intended recipient can read the message


Open Source Cryptography
Time-tested and trusted encryption algorithms

We use only secure implementations of AES, RSA, along with OpenPGP. Furthermore, all of the cryptographic libraries we use are open source. By using open source libraries, we can guarantee that the encryption algorithms we are using do not have clandestinely built in back doors. ProtonMail's open source software has been thoroughly vetted by security experts from around the world to ensure the highest levels of protection.

By using open source encryption libraries, we can help guard against back doors designed to compromise your privacy.



All user data is protected by the Swiss Federal Data Protection Act (DPA) and the Swiss Federal Data Protection Ordinance (DPO) which offers some of the strongest privacy protection in the world for both individuals and corporations. As ProtonMail is outside of US and EU jurisdiction, only a court order from the Cantonal Court of Geneva or the Swiss Federal Supreme Court can compel us to release the extremely limited user information we have
 

luvyeah

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Looks solid! Even the free version!!!!

I asked them and this was their response:

The encryption level that is used between all types of ProtonMail accounts is the same. Messages sent between ProtonMail users are end-to-end encryption.


End-to-End Encryption messages are encrypted at all times

Messages are stored on ProtonMail servers in encrypted format. They are also transmitted in encrypted format between our servers and user devices. Messages between ProtonMail users are also transmitted in encrypted form within our secure server network. Because data is encrypted at all steps, the risk of message interception is largely eliminated.


Zero Access to User Data. Your encrypted data is not accessible to us

ProtonMail's zero access architecture means that your data is encrypted in a way that makes it inaccessible to us. Data is encrypted on the client side using an encryption key that we do not have access to. This means we don't have the technical ability to decrypt your messages, and as a result, we are unable to hand your data over to third parties. With ProtonMail, privacy isn't just a promise, it is mathematically ensured. For this reason, we are also unable to do data recovery. If you forget your password, we cannot recover your data.
Demo showing email cryptography End-to-end encryption means that no one but the intended recipient can read the message


Open Source Cryptography
Time-tested and trusted encryption algorithms

We use only secure implementations of AES, RSA, along with OpenPGP. Furthermore, all of the cryptographic libraries we use are open source. By using open source libraries, we can guarantee that the encryption algorithms we are using do not have clandestinely built in back doors. ProtonMail's open source software has been thoroughly vetted by security experts from around the world to ensure the highest levels of protection.

By using open source encryption libraries, we can help guard against back doors designed to compromise your privacy.



All user data is protected by the Swiss Federal Data Protection Act (DPA) and the Swiss Federal Data Protection Ordinance (DPO) which offers some of the strongest privacy protection in the world for both individuals and corporations. As ProtonMail is outside of US and EU jurisdiction, only a court order from the Cantonal Court of Geneva or the Swiss Federal Supreme Court can compel us to release the extremely limited user information we have
With their cheese and banking practices and the BIG FUCK YOU to the US government, how could you ever hate the swiss.
 
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