Who wants to volunteer to explain to Frankfooter that the time period from the 1880s to 2019 goes well beyond "40 years." :thumb:
The Hill - AOC says Biden's climate change policy is a "deal breaker"
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This isn't looking good. The eco-warriors are crapping on Biden as someone who is "stuck in the dirty energy past" and who would be "a disaster" for the planet.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/11/joe-biden-no-middle-ground-climate-change
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/13/joe-biden-is-a-climate-denier
I'm betting Biden won't be quoting these columns in his campaign literature. :biggrin1:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/11/joe-biden-no-middle-ground-climate-change
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/13/joe-biden-is-a-climate-denier
I'm betting Biden won't be quoting these columns in his campaign literature. :biggrin1:
I'll try to explain it one more time for you, moviefan, though I don't have much hope you'll be able to understand.
When you plug in your kettle it doesn't boil immediately, does it?
No, that's because there is thermal inertia in the water, as in, it takes time for the water to heat up.
Same for the planet, you add CO2 to the atmosphere but it still takes about 40 years for the planet to fully warm up the oceans from increased greenhouse effect.
That means that there will still be 40 years of warming to the planet because of the CO2 that we have put in the atmosphere already.
And that also means that we are just now feeling the effects of the CO2 that went into the atmosphere 40 years ago.
Your "40 year" lag has nothing to do with anything I've posted. You're simply copying and pasting things you don't understand.
Back to the thread. Tell us, Frankfooter: Do you support the Green New Deal or do you prefer Biden's "middle ground" approach?
Uh-oh. Looks like AOC is none too happy with Biden.
"I will be damned if the same politicians who refused to act then are going to try to come back today and say we need a 'middle of the road' approach to save our lives," she said.
https://news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-under-pressure-left-climate-change-195325315.html
"I will be damned if the same politicians who refused to act then are going to try to come back today and say we need a 'middle of the road' approach to save our lives," she said.
https://news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-under-pressure-left-climate-change-195325315.html
I give up, you really can't understand the concept of thermal inertia, can you?
It is a good example of how easy it is to go over your head with pretty simple concepts.
About the Green New Deal, what exactly are its parameters?
Its not set yet, is it?
Sure it is. Read the resolution for yourself: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sit....gov/files/Resolution on a Green New Deal.pdf
This is classic Frankfooter.
He doesn't know anything about this subject so he posts mindless (and often factually wrong) criticisms of my posts while evading taking any position himself - for fear that it will come back to haunt him when someone eventually explains the issue to him (or he finds something he can copy and paste from the skeptical science website.).
Hey, thanks for the link.
I hadn't read it before.
I like it.
Its goals are very big, but good targets even if not totally doable.
Much better than a Trump/GOP type plutocracy/autocracy.
This was never intended to be voted upon. it was intended to start a dialogue about green initiatives etc. Putting it up for a vote was a political stunt by McConnell.
Trump isn't seeking the Democratic nomination.
The question was whether you prefer the Green New Deal or Biden's "middle ground" approach. Which is it?
At 415 ppm CO2, there is now more CO2 in the atmosphere than since humans came to exist, and since the Pliocene Epoch about 3 million years ago, where global temps were 2-3º C warmer than they are now.
During the Pliocene there were trees in the arctic and global sea levels were 25 metres higher.
The thermal inertia of the oceans means that it takes somewhere around 40 years for the full effect of CO2 increases to be felt by the planet. So the approximate 1ºC of warming the planet is experiencing now is from the CO2 put into the atmosphere in the '70's.
I prefer AOC's rough plan, it addresses more of the present issues with the US.
Biden doesn't have a middle ground approach. It's a lie.
Just like when he said the GOP will have an Epiphany when Trump is out and suddenly start working with the Dems.
If you go to you tube and look up Tulsi Gaddard recently on Joe Rogan there is an excellent 10 minute clip where she explains how and why bi partisanship with the present leadership is both parties is well nigh impossible.
This is a congressperson speaking on this. It's the truth.
I think Biden is referring to a "middle ground" between the current energy policy and the extreme proposals in the Green New Deal.
For example, he reportedly wants to bring back Obama's regulations on the fuel industry while at the same time promoting energy production through nuclear power and natural gas. He's hoping to appease both environmentalists and blue collar workers.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...or-middle-ground-climate-policy-idUSKCN1SG18G
I'm not convinced it will work in practice. Certainly, the similar approach that Justin Trudeau has tried in Canada hasn't worked.
I'll at least give Biden credit -- if the reports prove accurate -- for pursuing the nuclear option. In reality, if America is serious about wanting to reduce man-made greenhouse gases, the only option that will make any difference is a massive increase in nuclear power.
