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An open discussion about "Off the clock" time.....

Who was right and who was wrong?

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Fathammer

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Does this guy think you have nothing better to do with your day than just see him???

Time is money. I have always went by the notion that as soon as the door opens and the donation is exchanged, time starts. If I book an hour session and I get there for 9, then 10 is the hour up mark and im usually out the door. I respect the business model. Its a no-brainer.

The only time I go over is if I mention that time is ending and the Sp wants me to stay a bit longer for whatever reason.

You girls have it tough to begin with. Meeting strange men and hoping you dont get hurt in the mean time. Its a gamble every time. This guy, if anything, owes YOU money!
 

autumn96

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Jun 13, 2017
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It just seems like he actually wanted me to show up early, to get settled and have a conversation, chill, smoke, but that was all for me. He feels he was just offering that to be nice and being a gentleman and other escorts apparently take him up on this offer. So I was the bad escort for showing up on time and doing that during paid time. If I wasn't going to do that for free, then I should have just gone into the bedroom right away. That is the message I'm getting anyway.

It appears to me he is/was playing a game of offering something he actually wants and was hoping I take the bait. I didn't and now he is upset. I guess I'm just looking for validation that my gut feeling was right and that I didn't do anything wrong.

I also think it opens up the discussion of what is expected and not expected during a session.

Thanks to all who answered.
It's possible he's reading more into the relationship (with you) than was really there.
 

rhuarc29

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Apr 15, 2009
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Depends, really. There are absolutely situations where an SP will agree to off-the-clock time before or after a session "officially" starts or ends. However, most of the time the clock starts when an SP enters the room and ends when she leaves. Your case just sounds like a misunderstanding to me. He thought you had agreed to off-the-clock time, and you didn't think that. I wouldn't consider either of you in the right or in the wrong. You both should be more clear on what you're offering / asking for in the future if you wish to avoid these situations.

Now, if I were him, and I hadn't clearly requested that the companionship time be off-the-clock, I would have simply chalked it up as a lesson learned and been more clear in the future. I think emailing you days later to bitch about what was, at the very least, partially his mistake, is classless. So in that way, he's in the wrong. And while I think you could be more clear in the future to avoid these situations, I still think you're completely in the right and shouldn't be compensating him at all.

(Also, many here will tell you what you want to hear the same way fellow SPs will, so I'm not sure how much you can trust us for a neutral opinion either. But good on you for trying!)
 

niniveh

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Jun 8, 2009
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Jessica: Validated! Validated! Validated! If you wish an accompanying stamp I could come by and oblige.
 

squeezer

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Jan 8, 2010
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I've had off the clock time many many times but and this is the BUT, if I call a lady to spend 2 hours I pay for the 2 hours and if she decides to stay longer or have me stay longer by her choice then I don't pay. It's actually very simple I think. In this case, he asked you, you should be paid!

Close your mouth and get that shocked look off your face Jess, I can't always disagree with you!
 

kbluejayk

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He was clearly out of line for expecting OTC time with you Jess and then proved to be a real jerk by his telephone reaction to you afterwards. A lady's time is money, beginning when she arrives and ending when she leaves. (Unless otherwise clearly agreed between the parties). This guy knows this but tried to lay some guilt on you by acting like a smart ass. You owe him nothing! Just chalk it up to experience and move on.
 

Micber

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Sep 29, 2018
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As weird it is going to sound, You are still providing the GFE services OTC .... Now he is getting the "fighting side of arguing with the GF. I would not respond or seeing him again if I were you. It would be only be awkward.
 

oil&gas

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Apr 16, 2002
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Ghawar
A question of curiosity from a non-sp hobbyist. Are there
outcall escort other than the OP who offer smoking date
on the menu?I know they accept multi-hour appointments
for dinner or lunch date and other social events as well
as travelling and overnight stay. As a non-smoker it never
occurred to me weeds could make people crave
companionship.
 

kherg007

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May 3, 2014
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Grandfathered rate plus 15 mins bonus time (1 hr booking, you arrived at 9, left at 10.15) ...verdict...you were generous already he should be thrilled.
 

Smallcock

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Jun 5, 2009
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He's unreasonable. Avoid him.
 

malata

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Jan 16, 2004
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Paradise by the dashboard light.
I was told that all the other escorts that see him, do this. They don't start the session until they go into the bedroom because they like to have real-world intelligent conversations for once and they get really great sex with multiple orgasms.
really. he must look like brad pitt. i get charged even when i'm in the shower rubbing my balls

 

lynn_ha

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Does this guy think you have nothing better to do with your day than just see him???

Time is money. I have always went by the notion that as soon as the door opens and the donation is exchanged, time starts. If I book an hour session and I get there for 9, then 10 is the hour up mark and im usually out the door. I respect the business model. Its a no-brainer.

The only time I go over is if I mention that time is ending and the Sp wants me to stay a bit longer for whatever reason.

You girls have it tough to begin with. Meeting strange men and hoping you dont get hurt in the mean time. Its a gamble every time. This guy, if anything, owes YOU money!
Fathammerm you couldn't have said it any better & I agree with your statement, you book an hour spend it any way you like. I have no problem at all with the guys taking a shower before & after a visit, that works for me and I appreciate a freshly showered visitor! Sometimes the session runs over a bit but that's part of the service.
 

lynn_ha

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Jessica Rain, I enjoyed reading your thread & I agree with you, it's hard sometimes when you are put on the spot. Your visitor feels he's entitled to chat & visit at your expense. Try that with your lawyer & you will be billed for every minute you are in his office, I know first hand as I was a law clerk for 15 years & did his time sheet! :)
Looks like most of the posters agree with you!
 

black booty lover

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I can tell you I would never offer an SP to come hang out or anything with the expectation that until we starting doing the deed, we were off the clock. That's ridiculous. If she for some reason ever says "can I come a bit early so I can chill or smoke a J" or something like that, then yes I would confirm I'm not paying for that time. That whole line about all the other SP's he sees does this is a line of crock IMO. I've been seeing my SP for about 16 years and so we've become friends, but to this day, I know when we meet, the clock is ticking and know where the line is drawn.
 

Uncharted

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Let's look at this from the stand point of any other hourly wage job.

If a factory worker shows up for work on time, but the line is down for an hour due to technical issues, and they are standing around for an hour before starting work, they are still paid for that hour.
The moment you walked through his door, you were on the clock. His decision to waste time doing other things is not your responsibility nor your fault.
If he needs this bluntly explained to him in order to understand how it works, than he is either a newb at Hobbying, or too stupid to participate in it.
 

KostasM

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An SP is not like other types of consulting work. I have discussions with my lawyers and tax accounts, where all business is handled in the first half hour. Sometimes we chat for another half hour. I have never been charged extra. That does not mean you can waste their time. I have been on the other side of it when I do consulting. Its just human interaction. I know a good handyman whom I hire often and pay fair market rate. When he finishes the job , I will usually offer him a coffee or beer. We chit chat, watch a few innings of the Jays game etc. etc.
The SP business is different. It's a fantasy right down to the second. It's her choice.

Having said that, early in my career i was placed on a project in Hamilton for eight months. I started seeing this SP every Thursday night. She was very generous with time. Started bringing take-out and we would watch "Frasier" or the "Drew Carey Show". Would spend 3 hours with her on a 1 hour date. Again her choice. She confided in me that she had a day job and was only a weekend SP. I guess I was a bonus client. I really missed her when the project was over and I went back to T.O.
 

Jasmine Raine

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An SP is not like other types of consulting work. I have discussions with my lawyers and tax accounts, where all business is handled in the first half hour. Sometimes we chat for another half hour. I have never been charged extra. That does not mean you can waste their time. I have been on the other side of it when I do consulting. Its just human interaction. I know a good handyman whom I hire often and pay fair market rate. When he finishes the job , I will usually offer him a coffee or beer. We chit chat, watch a few innings of the Jays game etc. etc.
The SP business is different. It's a fantasy right down to the second. It's her choice.

Having said that, early in my career i was placed on a project in Hamilton for eight months. I started seeing this SP every Thursday night. She was very generous with time. Started bringing take-out and we would watch "Frasier" or the "Drew Carey Show". Would spend 3 hours with her on a 1 hour date. Again her choice. She confided in me that she had a day job and was only a weekend SP. I guess I was a bonus client. I really missed her when the project was over and I went back to T.O.
The difference is he wanted me to hang out before the session started. Not the job is done and you chill for a bit after. Which I usually do which is why I left at 10:15pm not 10pm on the dot.

But I do get what you are saying in those types of situations.
 

black booty lover

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As weird it is going to sound, You are still providing the GFE services OTC .... Now he is getting the "fighting side of arguing with the GF. I would not respond or seeing him again if I were you. It would be only be awkward.

You have nothing but absolute rocks in your head.
 
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