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An open discussion about "Off the clock" time.....

Who was right and who was wrong?

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Jasmine Raine

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So I'm having an issue with a now former client. Our debate is about what should have been off the clock time and what should have been paid time. The fact that we are even taking off the clock time regarding an escort appointment is telling in itself because there should be no off the clock time, in my opinion.

The setup was for an outcall. I normally do 2-hour mins on outcalls, and at a raised rate of $300/hour but I was being nice to a previously seen client who was not far in distance. I charged a grandfathered 1-hour rate. I arrived on time at 9 pm and left at 10:15 pm.

During the chitchat leading up to the date, he mentioned multiple times 420, coming over earlier and terms like "chilling" and "relaxing" prior to getting started. I don't normally do 420 sessions with clients but again, I have seen him before on more than one occasion, and I thought since this was an outcall, he wanted to do it to relax, have a good session and then pass out. Seemed like a good plan to me. There was also talk of another session at my trailer, chilling again, having a nice campfire and then enjoy some fun time. At this point, I'm assuming it wants a combo of companionship and intimacy in his appointment.

When I arrived, I got the tour of the new home, and when I asked about going to smoke, he said he was only saying that for me, he didn't' want any. Didn't happen that way, he had a little bit, he offered another form of marijuana which I declined for safety reasons.

At about the halfway mark, I made the suggestion to head to the bedroom. He enjoys a nice 25 min long BJ. When he is done, he asks about pleasing me, I decline because it was already the hour mark. I stayed chatting and then cleaning up, leaving as I said, at 10:15.

Surprisingly, a few days ago, I got an email from him very upset. He feels ripped off. He felt that he should have had an hour of sex. He says the offer for relaxing, smoking and chilling was for before the session started. That is why he was saying I can show up early. So that I could get settled, have some conversation, for me to smoke because he was thinking about me and then the session would start after that.

I kindly explained that my time is paid for as well. I am an escort and that means that companionship and intimacy are both paid for. I explained that I have many 4-5 dinner dates that made up of mostly companionship with the last bit of the appointment is for intimacy.

I was told that all the other escorts that see him, do this. They don't start the session until they go into the bedroom because they like to have real-world intelligent conversations for once and they get really great sex with multiple orgasms.

Basically, I get the feeling, he wanted companionship and intimacy but only wanted to pay for one of those. I know he enjoyed all the time that I was there, but he wanted to have and only pay for an hour of sex, and the rest of the time would be on my dime.

So am I right? Am I wrong?

I will not be seeing him again so I can't do a makeup on the next session if I'm in the wrong here. Like only charging him half price or something. Most I can do is given him some actual cash back, which I will do if I'm wrong but I really don't think I am in this case. He basically wanted me to show up at 8:30, chill and hang like friends, then start the session at 9 for a full hour of sex, and only pay for that.

As politely as I can, I have expressed a few times that we are not friends. That I'm an escort, and I get paid for my time. I keep getting replies that are intended to make me feel like that is wrong. That it is wrong for me to expect to be paid for all time, not just the time in the bedroom?

Now I will say one thing if these requests of chilling and hanging before the intimacy part of the session were being brought up by a new client, I think I would have seen the signs and would have explained that I can get paid for both. Having seen this client like 3-4 times already, I didn't think I needed to say that as I didn't think he was asking for OTC time before the appointment time. I thought he wanted all that in his session. I still think he did want all that, he just didn't want to pay for it.

Granted, I don't do many outcalls. I think this is like my 3rd or 4th, and I know what most escorts will say. They will side with me, but I want the opinion of other hobbyists.

Do you expect a lady to show up early for an appointment to get settled, chill, talk, smoke, then start the session once in the bedroom? Or does time start when I walk in the door? Should I be giving him some money back? Should I feel confident that I did my job, as requested and deserved the payment I requested?

Opinions please.....
 

luckyme101

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My understanding is - you pay for the time duration when the lady steps into the outcall location until when she leaves, unless the lady says otherwise.
 

simba_one

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You're absolutely correct. As a professional companion you need to be paid for your time. The decision to not charge for any additional time for any reason is totally up to you and not the client.
 

thumper18474

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Hes paying for your time....period
Whether it chatting
Getting high
Doin his Laundry...Nekid
Or doin the nasty
Your time is a business transaction
AND
The lady gots ta gets paid
 

autumn96

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"Off the clock" time like that does happen - but the ball is in the SP's court as to whether or not that happens.

It's just like when I hire a contractor to do hourly work for me. They are more than welcome to stay off the clock and socialize but for me to expect and ask them to do that would be unprofessional. For me to send them a nasty email berating them for not staying off the clock would be a whole new level of unprofessional.
 

Mr Deeds

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The problem is some guys think your friends after seeing you a few times and are looking for something more than just play time. Its always a risk with regulars. Men get stupid and possessive sometimes and think they have some kind of special connection with an SP so when you wont donate your personal time they get angry and screw up any chance of seeing you again. You've got nothing to feel guilty about here it was probably time for him to move on anyway.
 

boomboom

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he is paying for the time to see you. what happens between 2 consenting adults is between them. It was his offer to use his time with you this way, not yours. Had you offered to come earlier, that would be different. It does not matter if you have seen him before or not, your fees are for your time, not your actions.
No different than if he wanted to just chat about something else for 30 mins, before engaging in another activity
just my opinion

Boom
 

Jasmina

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He already had you give up your hourly minimum AND grandfather the rate. He is a user. Walk away with your head held high. He isn't worth it.
 

Grimnul

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I have a few regular ladies in Amsterdam who I have a good relationship with. Often they give me extra time. One girl in particular, I usually pay her for 45 minutes, she usually gives me at least an hour. Some days I get significantly more time. I’ve stayed with her for nearly 2 and a half hours before. I never expect it, though. It’s up to her. If I pay for an hour, I expect to get an hour. If I get more time, it’s a bonus.

The way I see it, even if we are friends (and I am friends with a few, have their number, we chat outside of work), it’s their job. I was, and still am, very good friends with my Muay Thai instructor, but I still paid him because that’s how he makes his living. It’s unreasonable and unfair to expect him to train me for free. He has to eat too, he only has so much time, if he’s spending it training me for free, he’s not spending it making money. That’s not fair to him. He deserves to be paid for his work. If he wants to give me a discount or give me some extra time, cool, but it’s his choice. Same thing here. Even if we’re friends, you’re working and deserve to be paid for your work. Period. I would never expect for you to give me freebies. It’s up to you.
 

massman

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As others have said unless specifically agreed to by both parties beforehand there is no OTC time. I’ve enjoyed both naked fun and intelligent conversation, having a drink, joking around with great escorts, but it’s always paid time.

Now if both parties agreed that there was a more than business friendship, and wanted to spend time together, that’s fine, but I still see this as potentially being fraught with misunderstandings and bad feelings on one part of the other.
 

Bickle

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You are right Jessica. Obviously. I have appreciated 'shower time' not being counted against my time. But I don't assume it. You and other providers have schedules to run. And my overstay might well impinge on another customers schedule. I'm always grateful when limits have been relaxed .... but have no basis for complaint when they haven't been.
 

simba_one

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As others have said unless specifically agreed to by both parties beforehand there is no OTC time. I’ve enjoyed both naked fun and intelligent conversation, having a drink, joking around with great escorts, but it’s always paid time.

Now if both parties agreed that there was a more than business friendship, and wanted to spend time together, that’s fine, but I still see this as potentially being fraught with misunderstandings and bad feelings on one part of the other.
massman you are absolutely correct!
I had a great client provider relationship and we spent time together off the clock. I let my imagination/feelings get the best of me and fucked that relationship up real good. She lost a good client and I lost well, a lot. For starters a super amazing SP that I used to have a blast with. Damn shame I can't turn back time but I've learned from it. Keep everything professional and no issues.

S_o
 

WarGames

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Ya no, time is money!

You do not owe him anything. Matter of fact, re-think seeing him ever again. Is the hassle worth it? You could be spending your time with someone else who respects your time and maybe even gives you extra on top of it.

Don't feel bad in any way, shape, or form.

He's a cheapo looking for some free time but not just that, he wants you to feel bad about it? What does he think? You're doing this because you have time to kill?? No, you're doing this because it's YOUR JOB which you need to get paid for. End of Story
 

NotADcotor

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I can't believe this is a serious question.
The clock starts when you get there. You know this, he knows this, we all know this on the provider/client continuum, hell I'm guessing my dead mother knows this.

"I was told that all the other escorts that see him, do this. They don't start the session until they go into the bedroom because they like to have real-world intelligent conversations for once and they get really great sex with multiple orgasms. "

Yeah, he is lying.


Once I did the chill thing for an hour before hand, I paid her advertised social rate which was lower than her bouncy bouncy rate... and again advertised.


But to expect some chill time before hand? Bizarre.
 

Jasmine Raine

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It just seems like he actually wanted me to show up early, to get settled and have a conversation, chill, smoke, but that was all for me. He feels he was just offering that to be nice and being a gentleman and other escorts apparently take him up on this offer. So I was the bad escort for showing up on time and doing that during paid time. If I wasn't going to do that for free, then I should have just gone into the bedroom right away. That is the message I'm getting anyway.

It appears to me he is/was playing a game of offering something he actually wants and was hoping I take the bait. I didn't and now he is upset. I guess I'm just looking for validation that my gut feeling was right and that I didn't do anything wrong.

I also think it opens up the discussion of what is expected and not expected during a session.

Thanks to all who answered.
 

Kawailuvr

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I think that if you are in the wrong at all that you were not more forceful in clarifying exactly what you are being paid for .
Possibly just being a little to nice . He is clearly in the wrong but I don’t think you are completely exempt . In the end you didn’t seem like you feel you were under paid so in the end who gives a fuck right . Everything you women do is only for money and you got yours
 

WarGames

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I guess I'm just looking for validation that my gut feeling was right and that I didn't do anything wrong.
Your gut feeling is bang on and no you did nothing wrong but expect to get paid for the time that was agreed upon.

He is playing head games with you and don't let him do it to you. You are too sweet for that
 
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