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Daylight saving time would stay year-round if Liberal MPP’s bill passes

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Daylight saving time would stay in place year-round starting in 2020 under a private member’s bill from a former Liberal cabinet minister who argues clock changes are too disruptive.

Marie-France Lalonde proposed the Sunshine Protection Act to provide more light in the evenings, and to end two clock changes a year that leave many people out of sorts for days at a time, often with disrupted sleep patterns, leading to health problems and traffic accidents.

“For me, it’s about a week I’m feeling it,” the MPP for the Ottawa-area riding of Orleans said Wednesday, referring to flipping the clocks ahead an hour for daylight saving time every March. This year it began March 10 and remains in place until Nov. 3.

The bill got unanimous consent of the Legislature at first reading, the first of several hurdles it must pass.

“I think it’s worthy of having the conversation,” said Government House Leader Todd Smith, whose office schedules legislation to be considered by MPPs.

“I’m not going to say that it’s going to become government policy,” he added. “It’s something we should probably look at and have a further discussion.”

Lalonde said it’s her hope that legislators in the neighbouring provinces of Quebec and Manitoba also consider the idea while the bill awaits a call for second reading. Bills must pass three readings to become law, although private member’s bills rarely pass.

“If we sparked a debate, it would be good to take the lead on this one. The conversation has to happen now with other jurisdictions,” she added, acknowledging that going on permanent “summer time” would leave mornings darker longer during the winter.

Green Leader Mike Schreiner agreed the bill could be helpful but said more research is needed on the impact on trade with New York state and other jurisdictions that have traditionally been on the same time system as Ontario.

“It’s hard on families, especially with young kids, to have their sleep patterns changed twice a year. It’s disruptive for a few days,” added the MPP for Guelph.

The legislation would put Ontario on a par with Saskatchewan, most of which does not switch to daylight saving time.

Federal cabinet minister Ralph Goodale taunted Canadians from other provinces this year at the switch, tweeting “Thinking of you as you weather the calamity of Daylight Saving Time. Saskatchewan will be dozing soundly, while the scourge robs you of another hour of sleep tonight.”

About 70 countries in the world use daylight saving time. Some are trying to scrap it and stay on standard or “winter” time. The European Union parliament voted 410 to 192 last month to scrap the switch starting in 2021, leaving the next move to the union’s 28 national governments.

Daylight saving time was implemented during the First World War to save energy, allowing for more daylight in the evening hours.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/pr...y-year-round-if-liberal-mpps-bill-passes.html
 

Darts

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Great idea! I hate it when it gets dark at 3:30PM. Yeah, Yeah, I know I lose an hour of daylight in the morning at 4:00AM when I and most civilized people are still sleeping. It'll be great for the kids too. They won't come home in the dark and they have an extra hour to play sports instead of playing with their cellphone.
 

Grimnul

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There’s no need for it anymore anyway. Scrap it.

Actually had a bit of a mishap on my last Amsterdam trip because of the clocks changing. I’d booked an appointment with my usual agency for 8:00. I’m sitting in my hotel room, it’s just before 7:00, haven’t gotten dressed yet, still in boxers and a t-shirt. There’s a knock on my door. It’s my two ladies. Apparently, the time change buggered with the agency’s system and all their bookings made before the time shift got pushed up an hour. Kind of embarrassing, having to receive them in my underwear. At least I’d shaved and showered already, just had to throw some clothes on, so ultimately no harm, no foul.
 

Grimnul

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I know. That’s my point. It’s stupid to still have to change the clocks. It serves no practical purpose anymore and is a huge pain in the ass. My story happened because the clocks changed in Amsterdam while I was there, but after I’d made my booking, hence why the times got switched.
 

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Great idea! I hate it when it gets dark at 3:30PM. Yeah, Yeah, I know I lose an hour of daylight in the morning at 4:00AM when I and most civilized people are still sleeping. It'll be great for the kids too. They won't come home in the dark and they have an extra hour to play sports instead of playing with their cellphone.
In the brief part of the year when the sun begins to set at 3:30 PM, it doesn't rise until 7:00 AM.

We can set our clocks anyway we want, just as we could reset quitting time, and when we have to clock in, any way we want. We could call that the Extra Daylight Option, or some such.

I'm curious how you —or the MPP — propose to define noon. Currently it's a natural, unalterable, astronomical event that anyone can observe with the naked eye, and except for those few exceptional summer months, we set clocks by it (keeping our clocks aligned with noon is why we have those occasional leap seconds we hear about). Would you re-define it to whatever the battery in your clock says? Or work with two noons, one real one fake, forever onward?

If you don't like DST, try my method: Don't change your clocks. Get after the School Boards and your employers to schedule your days smarter. Don't mess with this fundamental connection with the natural universe. It's one of the few we stillo have, and it's been central to what we smugly call 'intelligent' human life since we first climbed out of the tree branches and learned to look up at sky.

Real life is about constantly making adjustments. Artificial intelligence imagines the universe is what adjusts. Are you sure you'll be happier when you go for coffee at ten and it's still cold and dark? Or when Perpetual Daylight Time gives you nothing but dying sunset in your eyes while you're inching along the 401?
 
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Finally something we can all agree on regardless of being on the right or left.
 

james t kirk

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It's a private member's bill which means it's not legally anything.

Frankly I love the long summer evenings and would hate losing daylight savings time. You could say leave it daylight savings time, but then it will be pitch black when kids are going to school in the dead of winter.

Besides, unless the Americans do it, Canada will NEVER do it. Our time zones need to be synced. Right now, Toronto and New York are synchronized and that is hugely positive to Canada because both major financial centres are oprlerating on the same clock which is key.
 

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...I'm curious how you —or the MPP — propose to define noon. Currently it's a natural, unalterable, astronomical event that anyone can observe with the naked eye, and except for those few exceptional summer months... since we first climbed out of the tree branches and learned to look up at sky.
Are you worried that your sundial might become obsolete? We define it by when our clocks say noon, just like we already do. And btw, the "few exceptional summer months" are eight months a year.
...it will be pitch black when kids are going to school in the dead of winter.
In places where this will be a problem, just shift school hours to slightly later in the day beginning in Sept. 2020. Problem solved. That's much easier and more sensible than making everyone move their clocks twice a year.
Besides, unless the Americans do it, Canada will NEVER do it...
Yes, but a bunch of US states are now pushing Congress to do it, now with the EU already voting for it and Canadian provinces too, though admittedly the US can often be more likely to ignore the rest of the world.
http://www.nwnewsnetwork.org/post/n...gislature-votes-end-twice-yearly-time-changes
 

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If DST were kept into the winter months, wouldn't sunrise in the morning be quite late? Say around 9:00 AM ??

I think if you fix one problem, you create another one.
 

superstar_88

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The Bill proposes to make the change permanent (like forever) so no need to change the clock twice or even once a year.
Once a year so alternating years we get daylight savings. What's the point of that?
 

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I love it. Let's the bill will be passed.

I'm sick of changing the clocks / watches twice every year. The time changing also screws up my body and internal clock.
 

oldjones

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Are you worried that your sundial might become obsolete? We define it by when our clocks say noon, just like we already do. And btw, the "few exceptional summer months" are eight months a year.In places where this will be a problem, just shift school hours to slightly later in the day beginning in Sept. 2020. Problem solved. That's much easier and more sensible than making everyone move their clocks twice a year.…
If it's as easy as you say to simply adjust school hours for kids, what makes adults so stubbornly stupid they can't adjust their own workdays without changing everybody's time-system, diconnecting it from the very planet that makes those days and the nights? Isn't all this legislative hoorah you Perpetual Daylight Folks are proposing supposedly justified by your deep attachment to Sun worship?

So, if and when Noon is nothing but an arbitrary hour on a human clock, what do your tribal leaders propose to call the mid-day point when the sun is at it's highest? BTW, you didn't say, when your 'Noon' would be: 12PM, or 1PM? Not that either will actually be at mid-day, but who cares as long as your smart-phone runs your world.

You guys need to get out more. The real word is analog, and adjusts all the time.
 

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If it's as easy as you say to simply adjust school hours for kids, what makes adults so stubbornly stupid they can't adjust their own workdays without changing everybody's time-system, diconnecting it from the very planet that makes those days and the nights? Isn't all this legislative hoorah you Perpetual Daylight Folks are proposing supposedly justified by your deep attachment to Sun worship?

So, if and when Noon is nothing but an arbitrary hour on a human clock, what do your tribal leaders propose to call the mid-day point when the sun is at it's highest? BTW, you didn't say, when your 'Noon' would be: 12PM, or 1PM? Not that either will actually be at mid-day, but who cares as long as your smart-phone runs your world.

You guys need to get out more. The real word is analog, and adjusts all the time.
Concepts like noon, hours, seconds, days, months, years, etc. are arbitrary number just as time itself and time-zones. They are all human created concepts and don't take into account the fluidity of nature and the universe. Nature and the universe don't abide by perfect divisions of time as we'd like them to.

DST has far outlasted it's usefulness because we spend much more time indoors. Since we spend so much time indoors in artificial lighting the so-called increase of one hour of daylight is near meaningless. It also causes a lot of problems with scheduling for areas that do not practice daylight savings. It just causes needless confusion for little benefit.

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