I voted Conservative but I am not a big Doug Ford fan. He is incorrect when he says the teachers have the best benefits and pensions. They have very good deal, but Federal gov't workers from RCMP to MPs have a much better deal. At the municipal level firefighters and police have much better pensions and benefits. In Doug's own government MPPs and deputy ministers have super benefits. His statements are meant for the general public and the teachers before the contracts have to be settled. He could take away the right to strike and could implement year round schooling if that would help!
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Canada not innovative, our tech economy is booming creating more jobs than Silicon Valley. Let's not create a crisis.
https://arcusgroup.ca/services/growth-and-strategy/innovation/arcus-innovation-institute-consulting-and-facilitation/the-50-most-innovative-companies-in-canada/
Nope.
And I've never been gifted with 3 months off either. I get a whopping 4 weeks off a year and seldom take it all. Last year, took 2 weeks off.
Then how do you know they have a sweet deal? I was in the system but am no longer. There wasn't one day when I didn't walk out of the building thinking I didn't get paid enough. People are so fixated on holidays. Trust me, they're needed. In the relatively short time I was there, I was mentally shot by around the end of September and had 9 months still to go. I couldn't get out fast enough. I will gladly take my slightly less pay and substantially less holidays. It was the best decision I've ever made for my own personal well-being. This is going back over 10 yrs ago and according to those in the system I still meet up with, the kids are more challenging and the parents are even flakier.
Ontario kids also test near the top of the world so it seems pretty reasonable to me (and they need to compete with countries where kids are taught to respect their teachers and parents ensure kids are doing their wok).
p.s. I have heard nothing from the teachers about wanting more pay. All of their media work has been focussed on stopping Ford from doing stupid things like making larger class sizes and online courses.
More significantly, their 'product' has a huge impact on the future welfare of the country.
As seen on terb.
My biggest issues are with things like not failing kids which is a government mandate, not an individual teacher's decision.
And yes, it should be easier to get rid of incompetence.
But data and talk of sampling; that's just facts and the teachers want to to understand facts. Don't give in. Rely on the the memory that you met a teacher once.
What makes you want to exclude those groups? Is it you realize that you personally rely on those groups but are okay with your paramedic or firefighter being promoted due to seniority?
I looked at the economics of that a few years back and though the optics of it is weird, it makes financial sense. Unlike most of us, if a teacher is away, they need to be replaced by another teacher so an absence costs the system a few hundred bucks. It's not like the school could tell the kids to come in on the weekend to make up the work. Any incentive that reduces absences therefore saves money. The other thing is that because of that banking, there was no need for the board to pay for a short term disability plan. I handle the employee insurance type matters at my work and for the numbers of employees at school boards it is a significant savings.
When has it ever been for the majority of people? When was the last time you used Shakespeare or trig identities in your daily life?
I would think most parents prefer classes of 15 for their kids.
Throwing money at public sector workers doesn't make them better teachers,cops or nurses. Just makes them more greedy like everyone else.
Cops are under significant more scrutiny on a day to day basis than are teachers. You can't deny that. Which makes it more difficult for truly bad cops to slip through the cracks so to speak.
No and I don't profess for one minute that it is smooth sailing. The question you need to be asking is is it any more trying than a job with a similar pay grade?
I have a sibling in IT. Worked in the private sector making $68K 45-48hrs/week. Was quite content. Got a IT union job in the public energy sector. Started at $112K, making $144K now. 35 hour work week. There are 4 people in her unit doing the work of two. She can't fill her days up with work but has become a master at Sudoku. Good for her, not so good for the taxpayer.
And when you say they have a sweet deal, I can tell that you don't realize how trying 30 kids, of today's ilk, in a system with essentially no discipline are. Not to mention the parents.
Let's not pretend they were 'working' for 45-48 hours, though. The average worker is only productive (read: does work) for maybe 3 hours per day.
See my post #27. But I still think they have a sweet deal, relatively speaking. Excess supply of teachers is proof of that.
https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/...worker-is-productive-for-this-many-hours.html
Is one such study. There are more out there. People don't work as much as they think they do or like to say they do.
